USA v Canada (Split from "Don't Hate Betting Systems")
Quote: MidwestAPCanada, got to admit your hockey team is better, completely outplayed the Americans today. You also have great skiing, fantastic fishing, beautiful forests and mountains, and you did produce Pamela Anderson. But, you got to own Bieber! Somehow that musical terrorist snuck into our country and you can have him back.
It was a "loser keeps Bieber" match. Sorry that you had to play for such high stakes.
Local boy got the only goal of the game, so they'll be happy around these parts.
Pamela comes from up the road. In the aptly named 'Ladysmith'. It's about all that I can think of that's worth mentioning about Ladysmith.
Quote: paisielloNah, it's OK, you can keep Bieber.
No, no, you keep him. He's a very naughty boy. DUI is very serious. Yours.
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+1Quote: gpac1377I'm not entirely disputing your contention, I just think it's overstated. I view human progress as cyclical with a slight, almost imperceptible upslope.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm saying that if you took the average 13 year old kid form the 1940's and put him VS a 13 year old kid from 2014. the kid from 2014 would run circles around the kid from 1940 and have him pissing in his pants in every aspect.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/17133-iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations-split-from-craps-betting-to-impress-stupid-women/2/#post330658
Quote: endermikeThis test is made artificially difficult because it is about a century old. What is important today will, for the most part, be unimportant 100 years from now. This test is focusing on memorized facts and lacks any critical thinking. In the current world there is much less value in memorization than knowing how to find the facts and combine them in critical thinking. That is why your comparison is invalid. We don't teach children how to use whale blubber for oil anymore because the skill is obsolete. It is nonsensical to say that folks who know how to do antiquated skills are "smarter" because they have those skills. Similarly, virtually no one who took that test in 1912 ever knew how to use a smart phone, but that does not inherently make them less smart.
I would guess that in raw intelligence kids today are smarter because there have been advances in prenatal and postnatal care. Historically, large numbers of pregnant women behaved in ways we now know reduce intelligence in kids (smoking, drinking, and lack of vitamins). There are far fewer kids who don't go to school today as compared to the past. These are incontrovertible facts. While we don't have a controlled study, I would wager for the reasons I stated, on average children born since 1990 are in fact smarter than those born before 1950.
Demographics burn
Answered here: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/17133-iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations-split-from-craps-betting-to-impress-stupid-women/2/#post330661
Quote: ontariodealercheck your history books on wars.
canada 1 u.s.a. 0
My father went to college in Canada. He told me in a history class there they taught him Canada won the war of 1812. Is that true?
Quote: rudeboyoiMy father went to college in Canada. He told me in a history class there they taught him Canada won the war of 1812. Is that true?
It's not true they won it in any real sense (okay, the British troops and Canadian Militia stopped the US take over of Lower and Upper Canada and burnt the Whitehouse, but on the flip side, they lost considerable power in the Lakes and had York (now Toronto) sacked).
Quote: thecesspitIt's not true they won it in any real sense...
Well if they successfully stopped the American invasion isn't that a victory? Otherwise what were the Canadian objectives during the conflict?
[this post was made in jest, I understand that those trends are in large part historical and not some sort of mass migration (invasion?)]
Quote: endermikeCanadians betray their true desires with where they live.
[this post was made in jest, I understand that those trends are in large part historical and not some sort of mass migration (invasion?)]
A lot of it is weather-related. Go a couple of hundred miles further north and it gets a lot colder.
Quote: BuzzardMost schools have classes about third world countries.
A2F: Absolutely Too Funny ! Let's put LOL to rest once and for all.
And I'll leave it at that. I know alot of highly intelligent Americans. I also know alot of dumb ones. The same is true for Canadians.
+1Quote: soxfanWell, America elected the obamanation, twice! That tells me everything I need to know about the collective intelligence of Americans, hey hey!
Gotta agree with soxfan here, hey hey! lol...
If you say one more thing about Beethoven .......;)Quote: onenickelmiracleNothing can be gained from this besides making a list of the site's top fools and ignorant people. I'm out.
will Frank Stanton please take the stand.
Quote: AxelWolfIf you say one more thing about Beethoven .......;)
Sure, I'd be at the bottom of that list. [Name withheld] would be at the top. lol! :D
Feel free to tell us who you think would be at the top other then me.Quote: Beethoven9thSure, I'd be at the bottom of that list. [Name withheld] would be at the top. lol! :D
Quote: AxelWolfFeel free to tell us who you think would be at the top other then me.Quote: Beethoven9thSure, I'd be at the bottom of that list. [Name withheld] would be at the top. lol! :D
Yeah right, and get suspended?? lol!
For the record, you wouldn't be at the top. Nowhere near it, in fact. There's only about 3-4 guys who would make that list. ;)
I don't want to bob for apples on this, can you just tell me?Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: AxelWolfFeel free to tell us who you think would be at the top other then me.Quote: Beethoven9thSure, I'd be at the bottom of that list. [Name withheld] would be at the top. lol! :D
Yeah right, and get suspended?? lol!
For the record, you wouldn't be at the top. Nowhere near it, in fact. There's only about 3-4 guys who would make that list. ;)
Quote: mickeycrimmI've been up and down the Alaska Highway 11 times. You would be surprised what you hear in a Canadian bar when they don't know you are American. They tell American jokes along the lines of the old pollock jokes like "Did u hear about the American expedition to the sun? They'gonna go at night." Bar erupts with laughter. I laughed right along with them and never let on that I was American. I wanted insight into the Canadian mindset. I chalked it up to a Canadian inferiority complex where Americans are concerned.
Kind of true (the inferiority), then you see the presidential candidate driving from Boston to Canada with a dog on the roof, or the Americans crossing the border with skis in July. Not to mention the senseless gun violence, ineffective government, the war on drugs, stupid money spent on health care, and trillions of dollars spent on defence, the hypocrisy of enforcing moral values on other nations, and sometimes we have a good reason to feel smug.
And, go!
Quote: boymimboI'm staying out of this one, except to say that Americans don't need to learn about Canada because it's unimportant to them, where as America is very important to us as a trading ally, a proctector, and the source for alot of porn and the butt of our jokes. And Canadians don't know much about Mexico, or Greenland, or Russia. We know alot about the USA because we all have access to American television and the CBC is just too damned boring (except when Mansbridge or hockey is on).
And I'll leave it at that. I know alot of highly intelligent Americans. I also know alot of dumb ones. The same is true for Canadians.
Sorry to upset those who say we never agree on anything, but this is basically how it is, except I wish I could get CBC online for news, Dragon's Den, and curling.
Way back in the late 1990s I was on some internet dating site and the girl I was talking to said she wanted to major in a Canadian History program in college (or teach it in some way.) Her biggest obstacle, she said, was she could not get *Canadians* interested in it! Their attitude, according to her, was that nothing interesting happened to Canada.
Quote: AZDuffmanSorry to upset those who say we never agree on anything, but this is basically how it is, except I wish I could get CBC online for news, Dragon's Den, and curling.
Way back in the late 1990s I was on some internet dating site and the girl I was talking to said she wanted to major in a Canadian History program in college (or teach it in some way.) Her biggest obstacle, she said, was she could not get *Canadians* interested in it! Their attitude, according to her, was that nothing interesting happened to Canada.
Once the second Louis Riel revolt ended, it's pretty dull. There's stages in 1960's when then French separatist movement had splinters that went into outright terrorism. But generally, it's quiet, political stuff internally and various times supporting (rather than directly prosecuting) larger wars and events externally. Plenty of good social anthropological stuff if that's your thing.
US history is much more interesting, but there's the old curse 'may you live in interesting times'....
The amount of fresh water lakes boggles the mind. Hop on Google maps and check out northern Saskatchewan/Alberta/Manitoba. Just thousands and thousands and thousands of lakes that never seem to end. And up there, there is nothing. No towns, cities, villages, not even roads. It is untouched.
It's sort of the land that time forgot. And it relatively unmolested. No great resource acquisition projects, no major enemies, no major threats.
I believe Canada is the holder of the greatest quantity of untapped resources. If we were to measure wealth in goods held (even if not yet harvested), then Canada would come out on top. Within this millennium, I predict Canada will be the next dominate economic superpower, or will have been occupied and annexed because of it.
Quote: FaceI personally find Canada fascinating. After Russia (and excluding unpopulated Antarctica), it is the largest country in the world. Pretty sure it boasts the largest coastline, as well. It is absolutely enormous.
The amount of fresh water lakes boggles the mind. Hop on Google maps and check out northern Saskatchewan/Alberta/Manitoba. Just thousands and thousands and thousands of lakes that never seem to end. And up there, there is nothing. No towns, cities, villages, not even roads. It is untouched.
It's sort of the land that time forgot. And it relatively unmolested. No great resource acquisition projects, no major enemies, no major threats.
I believe Canada is the holder of the greatest quantity of untapped resources. If we were to measure wealth in goods held (even if not yet harvested), then Canada would come out on top. Within this millennium, I predict Canada will be the next dominate economic superpower, or will have been occupied and annexed because of it.
Canada has some unusual features. Long coastline, but most is unusable. Lots of water and resources but not enough population to really exploit them fully.
Canada has one of the best geopolitical locations on earth, she is protected by the USA so she needs no large navy or army. With ports on the two most important oceans of the world, she is well situated for trade. Canada is a kind of "relief valve" for the USA in some ways.
The current future for Canada is probably as a natural resource producer, including energy, with some manufacturing. Keep out of small conflicts. Deal with most anybody. Don't try to make a homegrown auto industry, or other homegrown ones where she cannot compete. Let everyone else do business and take the best.
Russia is in a similar situation, but less well located and more wanting to push influence.
Quote: AZDuffman
The current future for Canada is probably as a natural resource producer, including energy,...
Exactly. And there is no more important resource.
Look at the tiny, corrupt, mismanaged countries that currently lead in energy production. They and their leaders are rich beyond anyone's wildest dreams. And they remain so even under extreme duress, even war.
And sweet, gentle Canada probably has more than all of them combined. No real enemy, no real hate directed their way. No civil unrest, no insane governmental corruption.
If your heaven exists, then we'll see. We'll pull up a cloud and watch for a millennium or two. I'll bet you whatever passes for currency up there that Canada will become one of the most important regions in the world within 1,000 years ;)
My Canadian grandfather was a sniper in WWI. It changed him, made him a reflective loner. So he became an explorer/surveyor/cartographer for the Hudson's Bay Company, and was away for months at a time, the first white man to see parts of Canada in many cases, mapping Nunavut above the Arctic Circle and along the northwestern edge of Hudson's Bay. He had an Indian guide he traveled with, and they lived mostly off the land for water and game with a lot of dried foods packed in. Awesome stories of his travels, talking about the barren wilderness up there. They were spotting for beaver populations, back when beaver hide was worth more than gold, ounce for ounce, as much as anything, but his stories got published several times in magazines up there.
Quote: Buzzard" My Canadian grandfather was a sniper in WWI. " Just wondering how he lived with himself afterwards .
Not very comfortably. That was kind of the point of his self-imposed solitary the rest of his life; he'd killed too many, seen too much. He was a very, very good shot as a prairie man of 18 when he entered the war. The British had over 35% casualties (over 2 million); Germany 64% ; Russia, France, and Romania lost over 70%. Austria-Hungary over 90%. It was truly a terrible, terrible war, especially the proliferation of mustard gas. 8.5 million killed, 21.1 wounded, 7.8 million missing or imprisoned. We hear so much about WWII history from this side of both wars, but WWI was just appalling.
I was born when he was about 60. He was a lean, handsome, quiet person with a dry wit and a lot of undemonstrative love for us. He took us downstairs a few times to allow us to play in his storage trunk, where he had a German pith helmet, sword, a bunch of medals, and some other things. He played cribbage with me until he went blind. Otherwise a very stern and cold man, but he loved my grandmother so much, that when she died of congestive heart failure, he refused to live without her, and was gone in less than 4 months with no health issues beyond a broken heart.
My ex-husband was a Vietnam Vet. He earned the Silver Star, 2 Bronze Stars, the Order of Vietnam, 3 Purple Hearts, and 16 Air Combat medals, among others. And he was a changed man as well, who does not live with himself very well. The story of how he earned his Silver Star is ghastly, and he has nightmares about it still. He's killed too many and seen too much as well. He's made himself a total expert on the history of 20th century conflicts, perhaps seeking answers of his own.
I don't know how any thinking person can not be profoundly affected by being ordered to kill or be killed.
Quote: beachbumbabsSo he became an explorer/surveyor/cartographer for the Hudson's Bay Company, and was away for months at a time, the first white man to see parts of Canada in many cases, mapping Nunavut above the Arctic Circle and along the northwestern edge of Hudson's Bay. He had an Indian guide he traveled with, and they lived mostly off the land for water and game with a lot of dried foods packed in. Awesome stories of his travels, talking about the barren wilderness up there. They were spotting for beaver populations, back when beaver hide was worth more than gold, ounce for ounce, as much as anything, but his stories got published several times in magazines up there.
This does sound awesome. I love the outdoors.
Quote: FaceAnd sweet, gentle Canada probably has more than all of them combined. No real enemy, no real hate directed their way. No civil unrest, no insane governmental corruption.
If your heaven exists, then we'll see. We'll pull up a cloud and watch for a millennium or two. I'll bet you whatever passes for currency up there that Canada will become one of the most important regions in the world within 1,000 years ;)
If the rate of energy consumption increases as it is expected to, the Earth will run out of stored hydrocarbons long before 1000 years is up. We'll need to figure out fusion or extraterrestrial solar harvesting first, and neither of those particularly relies upon Canada's geography.
Quote: beachbumbabsNot very comfortably. That was kind of the point of his self-imposed solitary the rest of his life; he'd killed too many, seen too much. He was a very, very good shot as a prairie man of 18 when he entered the war. The British had over 35% casualties (over 2 million); Germany 64% ; Russia, France, and Romania lost over 70%. Austria-Hungary over 90%. It was truly a terrible, terrible war, especially the proliferation of mustard gas. 8.5 million killed, 21.1 wounded, 7.8 million missing or imprisoned. We hear so much about WWII history from this side of both wars, but WWI was just appalling.
I was born when he was about 60. He was a lean, handsome, quiet person with a dry wit and a lot of undemonstrative love for us. He took us downstairs a few times to allow us to play in his storage trunk, where he had a German pith helmet, sword, a bunch of medals, and some other things. He played cribbage with me until he went blind. Otherwise a very stern and cold man, but he loved my grandmother so much, that when she died of congestive heart failure, he refused to live without her, and was gone in less than 4 months with no health issues beyond a broken heart.
My ex-husband was a Vietnam Vet. He earned the Silver Star, 2 Bronze Stars, the Order of Vietnam, 3 Purple Hearts, and 16 Air Combat medals, among others. And he was a changed man as well, who does not live with himself very well. The story of how he earned his Silver Star is ghastly, and he has nightmares about it still. He's killed too many and seen too much as well. He's made himself a total expert on the history of 20th century conflicts, perhaps seeking answers of his own.
I don't know how any thinking person can not be profoundly affected by being ordered to kill or be killed.
Thanks for sharing these posts, Babs.
Quote: beachbumbabsMade me laugh, the reference to skis on the car in July. As a junior counselor in the Whiteshell PP in 1974, we had exACTly that experience while hiking along the highway in 100 degree weather in July. 4 Americans stopped their car to ask "which way to the snow?". Hysterical and embarassing; I heard about it the rest of the summer.
My Canadian grandfather was a sniper in WWI. It changed him, made him a reflective loner. So he became an explorer/surveyor/cartographer for the Hudson's Bay Company, and was away for months at a time, the first white man to see parts of Canada in many cases, mapping Nunavut above the Arctic Circle and along the northwestern edge of Hudson's Bay. He had an Indian guide he traveled with, and they lived mostly off the land for water and game with a lot of dried foods packed in. Awesome stories of his travels, talking about the barren wilderness up there. They were spotting for beaver populations, back when beaver hide was worth more than gold, ounce for ounce, as much as anything, but his stories got published several times in magazines up there.
The term "greatest generation" is well deserved. Although WWI may predate that saying but it's true for both people in both world wars.
We are lucky to never come close to a draft such as back then, as well as total wartime production which means everyone was doing something for the war effort. There's a POW/MIA Wounded Warriors guy out on Fremont right outside of Golden Nugget by the crosswalk, and he's one guy that I know is legit and I always throw a buck or two in his boot when I get a chance. As much as I appreciate the thank yous for being in the service, I'm only in the Air Guard and I wish more people would tell this to our wounded vets. If buffet coupons were interchangeable I would totally hook those guys up.
Quote: beachbumbabsWe hear so much about WWII history from this side of both wars, but WWI was just appalling.
More appalling in many ways. The war to end all
wars, it was called. The first really modern war,
air battles and chemical warfare. Now it's the
forgotten war, nobody even remembers it happened.
It was Hemingway's war, he was wounded and it
changed him forever. But he was far more terrified
of the flu that followed the war, in 1918. It killed
millions around the world, and he was afraid of
getting sick for the rest of his life.
Quote: beachbumbabs
I was born when he was about 60. He was a lean, handsome, quiet person with a dry wit and a lot of undemonstrative love for us. .
Describes my dad to a tee. He was born in 1914,
almost the same generation. Parents were very
undemonstrative in those days, not like now. So
men grew up not knowing how to be affectionate.
I'm sure your grandfather was a fine person, he
served his country and felt good about it. No need
to make a fuss, women and children did that..
For Canada, WW1 is very much still a part of our memories when we have our Remembrance day ceremonies on 11/11. We lost a lot of life in that war, and Canada was a major player (both in WW1 and WW2). The US was only involved in WW1 for a year and a half, and wasn't involved in WW2 until Pearl Harbor.
So we remember.
How about that hockey team???
No spoilers, please! I have the game Tivo'd (do people still say that?)Quote: boymimboHow about that hockey team???
Quote: teddysNo spoilers, please! I have the game Tivo'd (do people still say that?)
DVRed I think is what's currently used.
Quote: EvenBobMore appalling in many ways. The war to end all wars, it was called.
How naive was that?
War is the perfect embodiment of the human thirst for self-destruction. It accomplishes nothing, and nobody wins.
Also, good luck Canada! Did they play the game yet? (Don't tell me ... teddy doesn't want to know.)
