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Quote: Beethoven9thAnd you also ignored this: If we asked 100 people, "How many states are there?" all 100 would answer 50. OTOH, you would argue that 31 is a correct answer because that's how many states are in Mexico.
This is nonsense. If asked in the US or by someone who trying to find out about the US I would respond: 50.
I imagine you are trying to put words in my mouth to lead to an Ad hominem argument.
Now I understand why you didn't quote my post directly................because I never said anything about people getting dumber!Quote: endermikeNo, I'm disagreeing about people getting dumber. That is what your post from February 21st, 2014 at 3:45:12 PM (the 11th in the thread) referenced. Go back and change your post if you would like to change your argument.
You are so dishonest, man! Hahahaha!!
Here's what I actually said in the post that you referenced: "Did you see that 8th grade test in a previous post?? I doubt any 8th grader today (or any of the forum members here) would ace that test!"
Um...no. Simply put, no.Quote: endermikeIn the discussion we have had the question asks for the average. This discussion has been about the average (or median) the whole time.
Nobody (other than YOU) mentioned "average" or "median". This is hilarious watching you twist yourself into a pretzel to keep the discussion going. As I alluded to before, most people (other than YOU) understand the spirit of the question and don't need every little thing spelled out for them.
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For that matter, what in the world are you even arguing about anyway??? This is the initial statement that started the whole debate:
With the access to information we have nowadays. I have a feeling kids will far exceed the intelligence of the kids in the "good old days".
You even stated yourself that "knowledge" does not equal "intelligence"...........yet you're arguing with me about prenatal care?!?!?!?!
Doubt it...lolQuote: endermikeThis is nonsense. If asked in the US or by someone who trying to find out about the US I would respond: 50.
Quote: beachbumbabsI would take that wager, Beethoven, if I were you.
I'd have a better chance of collecting from varmenti. ;)
Quote: Beethoven9thI'd have a better chance of collecting from varmenti. ;)
At the point of the initial talk of a wager (when I said that), you would have won going away. As it continues to be refined, so does your edge.
Quote: Beethoven9thNow I understand why you didn't quote it directly..........because I never said anything about people getting dumber!
You are so dishonest, man! HAHAHAHAHA!!
Here's what I actually said in the post that you referenced: "Did you see that 8th grade test in a previous post?? I doubt any 8th grader today (or any of the forum members here) would ace that test!"
Your post said that in response to Axel's post (you quoted it and bolded by me for emphasis)
Quote: AxelWolfI'm saying that if you took the average 13 year old kid form the 1940's and put him VS a 13 year old kid from 2014. the kid from 2014 would run circles around the kid from 1940 and have him pissing in his pants in every aspect.
Your exact post says (currently):
Quote: Beethoven9thDid you see that 8th grade test in a previous post?? I doubt any 8th grader today (or any of the forum members here) would ace that test!
It is logical that you meant to contradict Axel. His post was about averages. Do you not read what you quote?
I take exception at being called dishonest. I have quoted exactly as it was written. I have deleted spaces to make quotes shorter or otherwise cited my changes. Please do not make baseless accusations.
Edit: added screenshot
Quote: endermikeQuote: Beethoven9thNow I understand why you didn't quote it directly..........because I never said anything about people getting dumber!
You are so dishonest, man! HAHAHAHAHA!!
I take exception at being called dishonest. I have quoted exactly as it was written. I have deleted spaces to make quotes shorter or otherwise cited my changes. Please do not make baseless accusations.
I agree, Beethoven; you're right on the line of insulting endermike rather than arguing your point. Consider this a warning, please, and address the topic.
The question is, do YOU read what you quote? I've looked at my quote for several minutes now, yet I don't see the word "average" in it. I just asked Axel a straightforward question, that's all.Quote: endermikeYour exact post says (currently):
It is logical that you meant to contradict Axel. His post was about averages. Do you not read what you quote?Quote: Beethoven9thDid you see that 8th grade test in a previous post?? I doubt any 8th grader today (or any of the forum members here) would ace that test!
...and nowhere did I write about (or allude to) "averages". *facepalm*Quote: endermikeI take exception at being called dishonest. I have quoted exactly as it was written.
Quote: beachbumbabsI agree, Beethoven; you're right on the line of insulting endermike rather than arguing your point. Consider this a warning, please, and address the topic.
OK, then it's a dishonest statement to claim that I said one thing when I never said such a thing at all.
Quote: Beethoven9thOK, then it's a dishonest statement to claim that I said one thing when I never said such a thing at all.
Please address my post (the one at February 21st, 2014 at 6:48:50 PM) which seems to precede the one I am quoting here.
Quote: endermikePlease see the screenshot I uploaded. I will add it here too.
Good, now tell me...where did I mention anything about averages? I asked Axel a straightforward question. Why is this so hard to understand?
Quote: endermikeQuote: Beethoven9thNow I understand why you didn't quote it directly..........because I never said anything about people getting dumber!
You are so dishonest, man! HAHAHAHAHA!!
Here's what I actually said in the post that you referenced: "Did you see that 8th grade test in a previous post?? I doubt any 8th grader today (or any of the forum members here) would ace that test!"
Your post said that in response to Axel's post (you quoted it and bolded by me for emphasis)Quote: AxelWolfI'm saying that if you took the average 13 year old kid form the 1940's and put him VS a 13 year old kid from 2014. the kid from 2014 would run circles around the kid from 1940 and have him pissing in his pants in every aspect.
Your exact post says (currently):
It is logical that you meant to contradict Axel. His post was about averages. Do you not read what you quote?
I take exception at being called dishonest. I have quoted exactly as it was written. I have deleted spaces to make quotes shorter or otherwise cited my changes. Please do not make baseless accusations.
Edit: added screenshot
If you took the smartest kids of the last few years they would have the 40's kids both shitting and pissing as they cowered in the corner so I thought that would be unfair.
Quote: endermikePlease address my post (the one at February 21st, 2014 at 6:48:50 PM) which seems to precede the one I am quoting here.
Please show me in that post (the one on February 21st, 2014 at 3:45:12 PM) where I said "averages".
Quote: Beethoven9thPlease show me in that post where I said "averages".
You quoted Axel, who said it. I would recommend not quoting someone if you don't mean to address their point.
Quote: Beethoven9thI'd have a better chance of collecting from varmenti. ;)
Only because here you are wrong and you would lose. Would you like to make a wager? Name some terms and we can work to a bet.
Quote: endermikeYou quoted Axel, who said it. I would recommend not quoting someone if you don't mean to address their point.
If I ask a question without quoting, nobody will know who the question is for. (This is pretty basic stuff, bro)
Quote: endermikeOnly because here you are wrong and you would lose. Would you like to make a wager? Name some terms and we can work to a bet.
No thanks. I'll trust a longstanding member with a proven track record, not someone who just joined 2 months ago...lol
(because that is how you do it, "This is pretty basic stuff, bro")
Quote: endermikeB9, you mean you don't know how address someone without a quote?
(because that is how you do it, "This is pretty basic stuff, bro")
Uh...dude, you're the only one who has a problem understanding what I meant. lol
My question was: "Did you see that 8th grade test in a previous post??" I honestly don't know why this 11-word question is so hard for you to understand. Everyone else understands the question just fine.
In fact, I followed it up with this statement: "I doubt any 8th grader today (or any of the forum members here) would ace that test!"
Notice there's no mention of "averages" here, either? Heck, I was referring to ALL 8th graders (and ALL forum members) in this statement, so I don't know why there's so much confusion about "averages".
I would like to make a wager with you, however I'm still not sure what your stance is yet. Do you think kids are smarter nowadays VS pre 1940?Quote: endermike
Quote: AxelWolfWith the access to information we have nowadays. I have a feeling kids will far exceed the intelligence of the kids in the "good old days". They also won't remain stuck in the "good old days" Fatter yes dumber no.
I am to understand you meant to have your first post be directed to him. But instead of posting to his point (which clearly refers to kids in groups) you brought up something tangentially related, people repeating mistakes and a "tough" test from 1912. What response were you looking for? Someone saying, "ohh tough test, I guess that means there were some smart kids back then. Oh man if only we still lived in the good ole days..."
Quote: AxelWolfI would like to make a wager with you, however I'm still not sure what your stance is yet. Do you think kids are smarter nowadays VS pre 1940?
Yes, I believe intelligence (particularly functional intelligence) has had a generally upward trend.
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As I said before, you and I both disagree with the above quote.........yet your guns are pointed at ME (for whatever reason). lolQuote: endermikeIn your first post in this thread (I know this thread was split off from another so please correct me if a post from over there wasn't moved which should have) you again quoted Axel. This time the quote was
Quote:With the access to information we have nowadays. I have a feeling kids will far exceed the intelligence of the kids in the "good old days".
I'm not "looking" for anything. But as it turns out, that's EXACTLY how most people have responded in the past when I showed them the test!Quote: endermikeWhat response were you looking for? Someone saying, "ohh tough test, I guess that means there were some smart kids back then.
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Quote: Beethoven9thAs I said before, you and I both disagree with the above quote.........yet your guns are pointed at ME (for whatever reason).
I agree with Axel's quote (particularly the part about fatness).
Quote: AxelWolfWith the access to information we have nowadays. I have a feeling kids will far exceed the intelligence of the kids in the "good old days". They also won't remain stuck in the "good old days" Fatter yes dumber no.
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Me too. Someone must have made him really mad. ;)
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Screw that test. I just want to know who is going to win in a, Lords of the flies situation.Quote: Beethoven9th
I'm not "looking" for anything. But as it turns out, that's EXACTLY how most people have responded in the past when I showed them the test!
Quote: endermikeI agree with Axel's quote (particularly the part about fatness).
Haha...should have expected such a reply from you. :D
Quote: Beethoven9thMe too. Someone must have made him really mad. ;)
You have frustrated me as well. Your choice to use quotes instead addresses is lazy and confusing. It seems to have caused much uneeded consternation.
Gee, nobody else had any problems understanding. BTW, you get offended at "dishonest", yet you accuse others of being "lazy"?Quote: endermikeYou have frustrated me as well. Your choice to use quotes instead addresses is lazy and confusing. It seems to have caused much uneeded consternation.
Whatever. I don't need to flag your post or cry to the mods about it.
Then it should be explained why SAT's, among other numerous similar criteria, have been radically dumbed down two, three or four times over the last several decades. And why entire curricula have been drastically vitiated.Quote: endermikeYes, I believe intelligence (particularly functional intelligence) has had a generally upward trend.
I never said you were lazy, I said your choice is. (Hate the sin not the sinner). You, however said I was dishonest.
Quote: Beethoven9thYou are so dishonest, man! Hahahaha!
I understand I am parsing word closely, but I feel it necessary in this medium (written threads) to do so. So much of communication is outside the words. Without that communication, it is necessary to be very particular about the words used.
I never said you did. (For whatever reason, you like to read things that were never written)Quote: endermikeI never flagged a thing.
So you wouldn't have complained if I said that your "choice" was dishonest? I doubt that...lol. But whatever.Quote: endermikeYou, however said I was dishonest.
...only in your case. No other members had such trouble understanding my initial post.Quote: endermike...it is necessary to be very particular about the words used.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThen it should be explained why SAT's, among other numerous similar criteria, have been radically dumbed down two, three or four times over the last several decades.
I have not researched this, but I might suggest: There are more kids going to college than ever. It means there are more kids taking the tests (SAT and ACT). The "extra" kids who are taking the test are much lower on the bell curves than the ones who would already be taking the test (when fewer kids went to college).
+1Quote: SanchoPanzaThen it should be explained why SAT's, among other numerous similar criteria, have been radically dumbed down two, three or four times over the last several decades. And why entire curricula have been drastically vitiated.
Quote: Beethoven9thI never said you did. (For whatever reason, you like to read things that were never written)
You are correct that you never said I did. I also never said you did. However, it was you who budged right up to the line and was told to bring it down a notch. I do think a plain text reading of our exchange would lead to the idea that you were accusing me of flagging or crying to the mods (maybe not).
Quote: Beethoven9thSo you wouldn't have complained if I said that your "choice" was dishonest? I doubt that...lol. But whatever.
Quote: Beethoven9thNow I understand why you didn't quote my post directly................because I never said anything about people getting dumber!
You are so dishonest, man! Hahahaha!!
If you had said "you misquoted me, that was dishonest." I would have still been annoyed, because what you said was false. That would be the reason for my annoyance. The rules of this forum are to argue your point be talking about what is written, not the person writing. That is why I stated:
Quote: endermikeYour choice to use quotes instead addresses is lazy and confusing.
I did not say you are those things (Hate the sin not the sinner).
Now that we have devolved into this level of he said/he said can we call it a day?
Quote: beachbumbabsExcept I'm not sure anybody else is even reading anymore.
I hope not. Beyond about page 5 (?) this got bad. Hell, I think the death spiral started on page 2. Sorry to anyone who suffered through it.
What's this "we" stuff? It devolved once you made that dishonest claim and started focusing the debate on the use of quotes.Quote: endermikeNow that we have devolved into this level of he said/he said can we call it a day?
Apology accepted. ;)Quote: endermikeSorry to anyone who suffered through it.
Quote: Beethoven9thIt devolved when you made that dishonest claim.
This is false. I showed you why reading your posts quoting AxelWolf as would lead one to believe you disagreed with them.
Your sophomoric attempts at trolling
Quote: Beethoven9thApology accepted. ;)
will no longer get me to rise to the bait. I would accept an apology for calling me dishonest.
Fixed! :)Quote: endermikeI showed you why reading your posts quoting AxelWolf as would lead one me, and only me, to believe you disagreed with them.
...and I'll accept an apology for claiming that I said something which I never actually said. I won't hold my breath though.Quote: endermikeI would accept an apology for calling me dishonest.
Quote: EvenBobThe highest average IQ's are always going to
be in countries that have almost 100% native
populations. The US is not in that demographic.
what? you mean you dont buy into the liberal nonsense that diversity is what makes this country great.
that having some poor speaking english kids in a class that hold the progress of the class back, are a great treasure because they teach children about diverse cultures. Or that living in an apartment where an indian family moves in and cooks all day where the spices seep through the halways and walls to the point where your eyes water is a great cultural learning experience that they arent lucky enough to experience in South Korea. Or explaining your symptoms to a health professional in an emergency room, and hoping they understand what you told them, or understand the nuances in your sympton description...nope some countries do not have those type of diversity experiences that we run into as a way of life. Hiring someone to meet a diversity quota rather than hiring to meet professional standards is something Hong Kong doesnt worry about.....those poor people of Japan.......they dont know how lucky we have it here.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThen it should be explained why SAT's, among other numerous similar criteria, have been radically dumbed down two, three or four times over the last several decades. And why entire curricula have been drastically vitiated.
Standards have been dumbed down to enable, or try to enable blacks and non-White latinos who have much lower iq than Whites. That's why today you have thieving blacks/non-White latinos who score d's and f's on police and firefighter service entrance exams getting hired ahead of White Americans who score straight a's on those very same tests! Equality is a myth, and "level playing fields" exist nowhere in nature; and all of the evil affirmtive aciton and wishful thinking in the world ain't gonna make it so. And that's why there are NO political solutions to America's problems. And that is all I have to say about that, hey hey!
Quote: LarryS.those poor people of Japan.......they dont know how lucky we have it here.
Japan has no immigration, you cannot become a
citizen if you aren't born there. It works for them,
and who can blame them. Look what Pakistan has
done to London. Awful.
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm
+1Quote: EvenBobLook what Pakistan has
done to London. Awful.
