Cancer finally does something good
About time, too.
One can hope Venezuela can now go back to being a normal country.
Quote: MrVWhat does this have to do with gambling?
Death pools.
Quote: sodawaterThis is extremely offensive. Regardless of what you believe about the man's politics (and he happened to do a lot of good for a lot of poor Venezuelans), you should never describe the death of a human being via cancer as "good."
Disagree. Don't know enough about Chavez to say whether it's good that he died, but there are definitely people whose death can be celebrated (i.e. Bin Laden, mass murderers)
Quote: FinsRuleDisagree. Don't know enough about Chavez to say whether it's good that he died, but there are definitely people whose death can be celebrated (i.e. Bin Laden, mass murderers)
everyone has a basic humanity. some deaths might be defensible, like in just wars or in self-defense, but no death is ever good, especially not from cancer, which causes a massive amount of suffering.
Quote: sodawatereveryone has a basic humanity. some deaths might be defensible, like in just wars or in self-defense, but no death is ever good, especially not from cancer, which causes a massive amount of suffering.
If someone murdered my family, I'd want their death to have the most suffering possible. Maybe I'm not evolved as a human being, but that's how I feel. I'm sure there will be happy people when Castro dies, and if they want to celebrate it, they can.
Quote: sodawatereveryone has a basic humanity. some deaths might be defensible, like in just wars or in self-defense, but no death is ever good, especially not from cancer, which causes a massive amount of suffering
No. And I hate to say it, because I do wish that everyone had a basic humanity.
Some souls are evil, destructive, and hostile, - enemies who had kept nations and peoples backward, - and whose departure brings about betterment, relief and liberation.
Josef Stalin, Osama Bin Laden and Adolf Hitler fall into that catagory, and to many Latinos (and Latinas like Nareed), Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez are also in this vehement catagory.
Chavez' life was taken by no assination or homicide attempt but by health issues, which some will attribute to the angel of death.
And to many he lived a life of undeserved and corrupt privilege, with all assistance given to him by his legions of comrades.
My desire for honesty - where I can see this point - overrides my desire to be touchy-feely and "all are good in the end" on this one.
Oscar
Quote: FinsRuleIf someone murdered my family, I'd want their death to have the most suffering possible. Maybe I'm not evolved as a human being, but that's how I feel. I'm sure there will be happy people when Castro dies, and if they want to celebrate it, they can.
that's why, in a civilization, it's not left up to the families of the victims to mete out the punishment to the perpetrators. Because their judgment is compromised. Sure, if someone murdered my family, I would probably want to see them tortured to death. But that is not the right thing to happen. And it's not the right thing for society. So, luckily, we have set up a civilization that has human rights and systems of justice by unbiased parties.
Quote: oscar33There needs to be some sort of subdivision in your category. Castro and Chavez do not belong in the same sentence as the other three.
Oscar
Some disagree, and all I am saying is that I see their point, not meaning to come off like Bob #2 - as a quasi-Troll. I am not.
Even with a sub-division, they may still deverse it, a sense of relief and celebration of their departure: A ten-high Pai Gow is just as far from a Royal Flush as a Nine-high Pai Gow is - to bring gambling into the equation.
Hitler, Stalin, Bin Laden, - on this heavily curved scale, Chavez was a Saint, in the sense that a ten-high beats a nine-high. [The hand 87/96432 loses to 98/10-542]
Quote: PaigowdanNo. And I hate to say it, because I do wish that everyone had a basic humanity.
Hear, hear!
As the old saying goes: some people can best improve the world by leaving it.
Quote: oscar33There needs to be some sort of subdivision in your category. Castro and Chavez do not belong in the same sentence as the other three.
Yes, they do. Perhaps the scale of their crimes was smaller, but the degree was nearly the same. This goes in particular for Castro.
Quote: sodawaterthat's why, in a civilization, it's not left up to the families of the victims to mete out the punishment to the perpetrators.
Unless you're Frank Costello or John Gotti. Some people do so. some make calls to hit men, and others file civil suits as punishment; still others hire private investigators to procure evidence that a payroll cop or detective isn't capable of doing, or care anymore. In this case, some latinos are simply celebrating.
Quote: sodawaterSure, if someone murdered my family, I would probably want to see them tortured to death. But that is not the right thing to happen. And it's not the right thing for society.
I agree. But human passion for vengeance is more powerful than logic and rationality. Here's something to stir the pot: If no card counter cried about killing a house and getting dealers and shift managers fired, then do allow someone relief at the demise of a despot who died from natural causes, and when not a single hand was able to be raised against him. Many would have prefered him to die at a mob's hands, but he passed away with everything from full medical care to a Bishop reading him his last rites, and beseeching for his soul, and with 50.00001% of a country's population crying and banging their chests over it. And 49.9999% toasting wine, and saying "Gracias, Jesus, muchos gracias..."
Quote: sodawaterSo, luckily, we have set up a civilization that has human rights and systems of justice by unbiased parties.
Yes - or so we would like to believe. If you're saying that he was a "caretaker" of that, some may cough and spit.
And he surely died at the height of his power and adulation among the peasants of VZ, with full benefits, medical care, and rites, with 21-gun salutes and praying Bishops. He may have even taken extra rights and cash for himself during his reign, the argument goes. [Oh, the trappings of power cannot save us.]
He got his human rights, lifestyle, and cash - and plus some - and he saw to it, but he could not escape the angel of death, none of us different. Many would say that in the end, he could not escape the hand of Lucifer. Let them say it, what does it matter, as he clearly died on top, in this world, that is.
So yes, he got his human rights. He was the president of Venezuela, and he simply claimed them, as he claimed his cash, power and rights, while being "a man of the people."
Quote: NareedHugo Chavez is dead.
About time, too.
One can hope Venezuela can now go back to being a normal country.
Let the media brainwash you. Countries that are not on the petro dollar, and oppose having it are, Iran, Iraq, Lybia, North Korea, Venezuela. Question, who has violated the rights of more Americans Bush, Obama, Chavez?
Define what is normal or going back to being normal. Normal like Peru normal or normal like Chile normal? What country is the largest exporter of oil in the western hemishere. If you guessed Venezuela, you would be right.
Name one thing that Chavez did that you feels violated your rights. Before you blurb out what the brainwashing media wants you to think, think for yourself!
Quote: sodawatereveryone has a basic humanity. some deaths might be defensible, like in just wars or in self-defense, but no death is ever good, especially not from cancer, which causes a massive amount of suffering.
Chavez didn't suffer enough for what he did. I hope there's a Hell, and that he's burning in it. The world is a much better place without his disgusting presence in it.
Quote: sodawaterThis is extremely offensive... should never describe the death of a human being via cancer as "good."
Such is the "pecking order" of life. That the higher up, then the ridiculously more the person takes out than actually contributes. When, conversely, logically it's the truly strong who might best avail themselves of the least resources (instead of squandering the most at the expense of the poorest).
Sure, I'm okay with the "more air for the rest of us" slant but as applied across the board... right down to the likes of the organized gambling moguls/venues and proponents of, who systematically relentlessly strip the weak and defenseless all around us.
EDIT: Slightly edited since I realized I was thinking of someone else.
Political diversity makes things interesting.
*old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."*
Quote: MrVHe was a left winger, a Socialist.
Political diversity makes things interesting.
*old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."*
I wouldn't mind a foreign socialist leader, any socialist leader who was socialist out of economic belief as best for his nation, and without anti-American diatribes - as opposed to pointlessly participating in the sport of anti-Americanism just for the sake of it. Sweden is about as socialist - and functionally so - as a western country can get, without this. Americans are WAY past red-scare paranoia, as we listen to world leaders bitch today about "the smell of Sulfur" at the United Nations, the nationalization of global companies who invested in VZ, and the demonization of their own successful and literate class who had the NERVE to do well and provide for themselves, their country, and their families by putting down a sugar cane machete and attending a Univeristy to study medicine or jurisprudence instead of left-wing political science.
Some argue that Chavez, in ideology, was bit closer to a Pol Pot or Castro than to an independent and modern economic development leader of a nation, and he gave his country some interesting times. A leader who loves the peasant class may have every intention of keeping them peasants. A leader who loves the military loves the landlords. And sadly, having only primarily menial land workers and landlords as your consituents means you obey one or the other class, while killing the other. It's either Somoza or Castro, or.....Costa Rica.
Did I have Hugo in my dead pool?Quote: FaceDeath pools.
Quote: sodawaterThis is extremely offensive. Regardless of what you believe about the man's politics (and he happened to do a lot of good for a lot of poor Venezuelans), you should never describe the death of a human being via cancer as "good."
The only thing he did for poor Venezuelans was to make them more poor and more of them. He was pure evil, as is communism in general.
Yeah, right. He and his family have a fortune estimated at $2 billion.
He basically redistributed the money to the poor...and himself. I hope that doesn't make him a hero to anyone here...
"RIP Hugo Chavez, the people's champion. Workers of the world unite! The struggle continues. Stay strong Venezuela"
Quote: sodawater... that scares the wealthy interests that control the world more than anything.
The crux of so-called free speech. That's set up to discourage really saying something about the status quo. The people with the childish spoils who then, ironically, suddenly want peace and joy and all the tidings, while anyone who says bloodsucker, boo, or bullshit is labeled a disgruntled retard "trying to break up the group" (of bananas).
Too bad that people aren't just allowed to say the bulk of what's really on their minds, and that the some with little on their minds are allowed to hide behind that. But all are then forced to, in some manner, physically act out by it, and are forced to watch the ensuing train wrecks.
Specifically, it's no different at any of the internet message boards. Someone elects himself as dictator (administrator), and then a small vociferous group of sheepishly gaudy busybody posters huddle around to innocently protect the dumb "image" at a distance. The one who persistently but politely points out the relevant technicalities is for some made up reason then quickly and quietly banned.
Quote: rudeboyoithis just appeared on my facebook status feed from a friend.
"RIP Hugo Chavez, the people's champion. Workers of the world unite! The struggle continues. Stay strong Venezuela"
You have to love how every "worker's paradise" ends up poorer than what it replaced.
I do fear the new generation does not understand how evil communism and socialism are.
Quote: PaigowdanSweden is about as socialist - and functionally so - as a western country can get,
Less so than it used to be.
On other things, I don't know whether it's funny or tragic when people appeal to rights to defend someone who has done nothing but stomp on other people's right his entire career.
Quote: NareedOn other things, I don't know whether it's funny or tragic when people appeal to rights to defend someone who has done nothing but stomp on other people's right his entire career.
Hey, it's practically a globally recognized concept to do the right thing and provide proper trials and hearings in a case like that - civil, criminal, whichever - instead of a noose to the nearest tree. Retribution, legal or otherwise, is still a dish best served cold, with deliberate care.
I have observed that the inevitable demise of the gambling boards has mostly to do with posters who spew that stuff unchecked, and frequently. Scrap the leader board nonsense, give each poster so much rope a month, to foster some balance. The other problem seems to be intimidation against/fear of saying something to the contrary.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI thought DT was created to house this sort of discussion...
Okay, finally figured out what DT is, aside from stumbling across that board. A form of psychological compensation for this board's shortcomings? Along the stereotypical perception that gamblers, if anyone, would know whether to hold them or fold them, ie, the short cuts to answers of the real mysteries of life?
How about Common Sense Now because it's Not Dated (, and doesn't cost anything except a bit of genuine, truthful effort)?
Quote: NareedLess so than it used to be.
What was it like before?
From Sweden constitution
Quote:Art. 2. Public power shall be exercised with respect for the equal worth of all and the liberty and dignity of the individual.
The personal, economic and cultural welfare of the individual shall be fundamental aims of public activity. In particular, the public institutions shall secure the right to employment, housing and education, and shall promote social care and social security, as well as favourable conditions for good health.
The public institutions shall promote sustainable development leading to a good environment for present and future generations.
The public institutions
http://www.riksdagen.se/en/Documents-and-laws/Laws/The-Constitution/
Quote: LexingerOkay, finally figured out what DT is, aside from stumbling across that board. A form of psychological compensation for this board's shortcomings? Along the stereotypical perception that gamblers, if anyone, would know whether to hold them or fold them, ie, the short cuts to answers of the real mysteries of life?
How about Common Sense Now because it's Not Dated (, and doesn't cost anything except a bit of genuine, truthful effort)?
Sorry, I can't figure out which translator to run your post through so that it makes sense. Try again?
Quote: LexingerThe crux of so-called free speech. That's set up to discourage really saying something about the status quo. The people with the childish spoils who then, ironically, suddenly want peace and joy and all the tidings, while anyone who says bloodsucker, boo, or bullshit is labeled a disgruntled retard "trying to break up the group" (of bananas).
Too bad that people aren't just allowed to say the bulk of what's really on their minds, and that the some with little on their minds are allowed to hide behind that. But all are then forced to, in some manner, physically act out by it, and are forced to watch the ensuing train wrecks.
Specifically, it's no different at any of the internet message boards. Someone elects himself as dictator (administrator), and then a small vociferous group of sheepishly gaudy busybody posters huddle around to innocently protect the dumb "image" at a distance. The one who persistently but politely points out the relevant technicalities is for some made up reason then quickly and quietly banned.
That's exactly what Ken used to say before he got banned.
Quote: MonkeyMonkey... translator to run your post through so that it makes sense.
Yeah, sure. Long-term gamblers don't have a lot to cheer about, so they tend to try to project themselves into persons important and knowledgeable... they over compensate in convoluted ways to pretend to offset what they lack inherently. They can't, nor then really want to, address the truly interesting facets and dynamics of gambling, but instead talk at length in shallow terms about EVERYTHING else. Here, a rabidly vacuous discussion about some small out of the way country's dead dictator (or whatever). People do PhD's on that sort of thing, and fewer people care to read up about it. Can't change this by setting up a discussion-only board.
Quote: 1BBThat's exactly what Ken used to say before he got banned.
Sounds like a "made up reason" to me.
Quote: Gabes22Isn't Sweden that country that imposes fines based upon your wealth? Every now and then I think I hear of a $100,000 speeding ticket being written out there or something along those lines.
Germany does some of that as well.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeySorry, I can't figure out which translator to run your post through so that it makes sense. Try again?
He seems to be accusing people for having opinions.
