WoVCon ]I[ Date, Place and Time
Awesome. Looking forward to it.Quote: NareedOh, the reservation's been made.
Quote: NareedOh, the reservation's been made.
I've updated my calendar. My wife and I will see you at the Sugar Factory.
So, to recap:
The WoVCon ]I[ lunch will be held at the Sugar Factory at Paris on the Strip at 12 pm.
As for gambling afterwards, can we ahve a show of hands from likely atendees between poker at Bally's (or anywhere else nearby) and craps at Casino Royale?
Thanks
I don't play poker so if it's only between those two I choose craps. But aren't we playing craps on Friday?Quote: NareedWell. I'm glad we got that settled ;)
So, to recap:
The WoVCon ]I[ lunch will be held at the Sugar Factory at Paris on the Strip at 12 pm.
As for gambling afterwards, can we ahve a show of hands from likely atendees between poker at Bally's (or anywhere else nearby) and craps at Casino Royale?
Thanks
P.S. I had an idea that we should have t-shirts made that say "I survived WoV Con ]I[" or something fun like that and all wear them when we're at lunch and walking around. Wouldn't that be a fun idea? Maybe someone can have them made and we can all chip in to reimburse the cost which shouldn't cost much.
Quote: HotBlondeI don't play poker so if it's only between those two I choose craps. But aren't we playing craps on Friday?
I'll pretty much be playing craps every day, or nearly so.
Seriously, with 10-15 people, about that many should stick after lunch, the only way for all of us to play together is either poker or craps. Last year we split between craps and BJ at ElCo. If some want to play something else by themselves this year, that would be fine, too.
Quote:P.S. I had an idea that we should have t-shirts made that say "I survived WoV Con ]I[" or something fun like that and all wear them when we're at lunch and walking around. Wouldn't that be a fun idea? Maybe someone can have them made and we can all chip in to reimburse the cost which shouldn't cost much.
Are you volunteering? :)
Quote: NareedSo, unless there are major objections, that's it.
Sweet! Short walk for me :).
Quote: NareedAs for gambling afterwards, can we ahve a show of hands from likely atendees between poker at Bally's (or anywhere else nearby) and craps at Casino Royale?
I vote for craps.
Quote: HotBlondeBut on another side note I wouldn't consider myself a high roller yet I do gamble close to $50 a hand or so for hours and hours and hours on my trips. Yet I seem to get offers for one or two nights free stays and that's about it. Again I don't gamble a ton on every bet but I was playing a lot of $100 a hand baccarat and even was playing up to $400 a hand on baccarat and blackjack last time. Yet I got no extra perks, no comped show ticket that I always want, and no invitations for me to have a host. Am I really considered that lowly of a player? Most of my friends' eyes pop out when they see how much and how long I gamble for on my trips.
Mlife comps suck for low-to-medium rollers. I'm assuming they're better for serious high rollers, or how would they get any players at all?
Frankly I'm surprised you were able to get 2 free nights from Mlife anywhere. I don't think I've ever been offered a free room, even at Luxor or Excalibur.
Quote: tringlomaneAnd as for your comping plan, I would consider playing CET instead if you don't feel like you're getting enough love from MGM. But then again, I have heard CET doesn't treat table game players that well either. But I'm just going off of what I read. I hardly ever play tables personally.
I agree with tringlomane - I would try to put in some hours at CET properties on this trip at your regular play levels. Our level of play seems about the same; you generally play $100 BJ and I usually play (well, played) craps with 3-5 $25 line bets...I think those should have a similar theo given the speed of craps vs. BJ. And I routinely get free room offers for long trips; for this trip I'm staying 5 nights comped at Paris.
Anyway, I think you should give it a try. After the trip is over, see how many RCs you have earned (TR version of Express Comps) and see what kind of room offers you get. Mlife has classier properties, that's for sure, but of the two chains TR comps better, especially for rooms. I have no idea how the do with show comps, to be honest.
Quote: AcesAndEightsMlife comps suck for low-to-medium rollers. I'm assuming they're better for serious high rollers, or how would they get any players at all?
Frankly I'm surprised you were able to get 2 free nights from Mlife anywhere. I don't think I've ever been offered a free room, even at Luxor or Excalibur.
I got comped at the Excalibur for 2 nights this trip coming up. Although they still charge you the nightly resort fee. And I only play low stakes BJ.
The death blow, though no one knew it at the time, to the Roman Republic was given by Gaius Grauchus when he violated the sacrosanctity of a fellow Tribune. That was when a high Roman official showed the rule of law had ended. Next to that, granting Gaius Marius consecutive Consulships against all law, custom and precedent was an easier thing to do.
Just saw this and thought I'd offer one possible explanation.Quote: HotBlondeplaying at Mandalay Bay And they said "Well it looks like since we just spoke you won some money so now your comps went down."
Many times your comp determination is based on "average" bet during the "session." Some casinos may consider the "session" as one day or it may be for some other length of playing time (shorter or longer than one day). When you played for those couple of minutes at the slots while waiting for your food and comp ticket, your "average" bet for your most recent session could have been adversely affected.
I know you say that the explanation from the player's card booth is that your comps went down because you won some money, but I wonder if the person telling you that did not really know (or did not know how to explain it) and a more accurate explanation is that your comps went down because the average bet used in the comp formula for your most recent session went down.
There are occasions when I have played for a good length of time at a high average bet and then--as a sort of break at the end of the evening--I sit down at a table and play with a much lower average bet (for example, play with some reds and a few greens after I have colored up the blacks and purples). If and when I do that, I will instruct the floor supervisor not to put me in the system--for the reason I just described.
Quote: MrVMLife comps me free rooms, free food, free boxing / concert tickets, and I am not a high roller.
Huh. What's your normal game and normal bet limits? How much do you play in a given year?
I would guess that even if our average hourly theo is about the same, the difference is that you might go to Vegas more often than I do. I usually max out at 2-3 trips/year. Last year was 3 trips, but one of those was "extra" due to a bachelor party. I still managed to make Pearl, but still not a ton of action.
This year WoVCon /// may be my only Vegas trip, I know, sad face. Lots of trips planned for this summer and I'm trying to save more money...we'll see. If I am able to sneak in another trip later in the year, it will most likely be of the "48 hours on the ground" barely take a long weekend trip. Which I still enjoy, for sure, but are less enjoyable than a leisurely 5-night affair, which I'm immensely looking forward to in [checks signature] 22 days.
Send me your free tickets ;)Quote: MrVMLife comps me free rooms, free food, free boxing / concert tickets, and I am not a high roller.
There is the possibility that maybe I misunderstood what she was saying. I don't know the exact details but I do remember them saying that I had x amount coming to me and then I went and gambled a bit and came back and they then said that because of my play I now had less coming to me. That I do remember.Quote: JimboJust saw this and thought I'd offer one possible explanation.
Many times your comp determination is based on "average" bet during the "session." Some casinos may consider the "session" as one day or it may be for some other length of playing time (shorter or longer than one day). When you played for those couple of minutes at the slots while waiting for your food and comp ticket, your "average" bet for your most recent session could have been adversely affected.
I know you say that the explanation from the player's card booth is that your comps went down because you won some money, but I wonder if the person telling you that did not really know (or did not know how to explain it) and a more accurate explanation is that your comps went down because the average bet used in the comp formula for your most recent session went down.
There are occasions when I have played for a good length of time at a high average bet and then--as a sort of break at the end of the evening--I sit down at a table and play with a much lower average bet (for example, play with some reds and a few greens after I have colored up the blacks and purples). If and when I do that, I will instruct the floor supervisor not to put me in the system--for the reason I just described.
My games are craps and slots (yeah, slots: I know, I know ...).
I place six and eight, usually for $12 to $30 each, and play high limit slots.
My action is usually at MGM Grand, but I visit and play at most of their properties on the strip.
It probably helps that I maintain a $10K line of credit, which I do draw upon as needed.
I have a host at MGM.
i want a host! And hook ups to shows and stuff.Quote: MrVI go to Las Vegas about once a year, usually for three or four days, comped.
My games are craps and slots (yeah, slots: I know, I know ...).
I place six and eight, usually for $12 to $30 each, and play high limit slots.
My action is usually at MGM Grand, but I visit and play at most of their properties on the strip.
It probably helps that I maintain a $10K line of credit, which I do draw upon as needed.
I have a host at MGM.
Quote: MrVI go to Las Vegas about once a year, usually for three or four days, comped.
My games are craps and slots (yeah, slots: I know, I know ...).
I place six and eight, usually for $12 to $30 each, and play high limit slots.
My action is usually at MGM Grand, but I visit and play at most of their properties on the strip.
It probably helps that I maintain a $10K line of credit, which I do draw upon as needed.
I have a host at MGM.
I believe we have found the differences in our two profiles :). That totally makes sense. Do you routinely earn Pearl status each year?
Quote: HotBlonde
There is the possibility that maybe I misunderstood what she was saying. I don't know the exact details but I do remember them saying that I had x amount coming to me and then I went and gambled a bit and came back and they then said that because of my play I now had less coming to me. That I do remember.
If that small gambling session was your first of the day there, it probably dented your average daily theoretical (ADT) pretty well. Using your card to track smaller than normal game play can hurt your amount of comps.
Quote: JimboJust saw this and thought I'd offer one possible explanation.
Many times your comp determination is based on "average" bet during the "session." Some casinos may consider the "session" as one day or it may be for some other length of playing time (shorter or longer than one day). When you played for those couple of minutes at the slots while waiting for your food and comp ticket, your "average" bet for your most recent session could have been adversely affected.
I know you say that the explanation from the player's card booth is that your comps went down because you won some money, but I wonder if the person telling you that did not really know (or did not know how to explain it) and a more accurate explanation is that your comps went down because the average bet used in the comp formula for your most recent session went down.
There are occasions when I have played for a good length of time at a high average bet and then--as a sort of break at the end of the evening--I sit down at a table and play with a much lower average bet (for example, play with some reds and a few greens after I have colored up the blacks and purples). If and when I do that, I will instruct the floor supervisor not to put me in the system--for the reason I just described.
Excellent explanation, Jimbo. I don't play rated much but, as counter intuitive as it is, I've seen many players say and do exactly as you describe. The floors never deny that it happens and usually won't try to coax a player into giving their card after hearing the reason. Who would think that adding to the total amount wagered could actually lower comps?
Quote: AcesAndEightsDo you routinely earn Pearl status each year?
My MLife card is Pearl, yes.
three nights in a suite
free tickets to see Fleetwood Mac on Sunday night
free tickets to their comedy club
$150 in free play
$250 food comp (points)
Not too shabby.
Quote: djatcThe difference between CET and Mlife is huge. I got more hotel comps then I can spend from CET, while Mlife sent me 3 nights free because I lost a ton at UTH. I got to Pearl but I don't see much advantages.
You achieved Diamond in 2 days, no? Of course CET is spewing offers at you for that. Did you give MLife a similar level of play?
Generally speaking though, I get the impression that CET is more liberal on comped rooms than MLife. I am a terrible low roller, so I really haven't receive comped nights for anything, but I did get one comped night last year for IP/Quad once after I played 17 hours in their poker room, and maybe 6 hours of nickel video poker there (7/5 BP w/STP which is the best nickel machine for CET in Vegas) over a 6 night stay. But if you think about it, my theo loss for that trip was roughly 5 times the value of one free night of the Quad...lol
When I read from others though, CET gives away rooms much easier. But then again CET rooms are crappier. I'm excited I am staying at Monte Carlo and Mirage next trip because I know they are better than most CET properties. We're still staying at the Quad for the weekend though...meh.
Quote: tringlomaneYou achieved Diamond in 2 days, no? Of course CET is spewing offers at you for that. Did you give MLife a similar level of play?
I didn't get to Diamond, ran outta money :(
I have given CET more play, but the comps don't match up evenly for the amount I gave Mlife. Also I gave the bulk of the play to the "full pay" JoB so I figure they wouldn't dish out as much stuff. Also they are giving me enough freeplay and cash for almost the amount I lost lol.
How is it I'm a gold card holder and I STILL don't have a host? Hmph. :(Quote: MrVMy MLife card is Pearl, yes.
And I've been a gold card holder for a couple years now since not long after they started the new system.
Quote: tringlomaneWhen I read from others though, CET gives away rooms much easier. But then again CET rooms are crappier.
LOL. Once while playing a session of graveyard craps at Bellagio I said to the effect of "well I gotta hit the sack" and one of the dealers asked if I was staying there. Nope, said I was staying at the Flamingo across the street because CET gives me free room offers up and down the strip while MGM will give me a "special rate!" of $99/night every other Thursday in December at the Bellagio (if I'm lucky), or a "special offer!" of "room starting at $39 at the Excalibur!" He made the point that sure, CET will give me free rooms up and down the strip, but they aren't places you want to stay!
I disagreed with his point, obviously, but it was an amusing interaction. I didn't actually run down my Mlife offers, but you get the point.
I don't think Monte Carlo is better than Paris, but I've never stayed in either, I guess. Will be in Paris for this upcoming trip.
Quote: HotBlondeHow is it I'm a gold card holder and I STILL don't have a host? Hmph. :(
And I've been a gold card holder for a couple years now since not long after they started the new system.
Yeah that is surprising! Takes a lot of action to get to Gold.
It's too early, I ahven't had enough coffee, and my phone is sucking the battery again, so: Windows 8 must be destroyed.
You know if you've never been up the tower at Paris, it's worth it. Nice view of the Bellagio fountains and stuff. It's best at Sunset and it's usually not even that busy.
Quote: AhighAlright May 25th, Noon, Paris, Sugar. Think I got it.
And Windows 8 must be destroyed :)
Quote:You know if you've never been up the tower at Paris, it's worth it. Nice view of the Bellagio fountains and stuff. It's best at Sunset and it's usually not even that busy.
I have been, once. It's nice, but the space on top is rather cramped, and the wire fence obscures the view some. It is worth doing, though. The Stratosphere tower has wide open spaces on top without an obtrusive fence, but it's too far from the more interesting parts of the Strip to afford much of a view (alas!). Though that one is also worth visiting. The elevator ride is interesting, too (not anything special, just interesting).
I'm down to do this if anyone is interested in going right after lunch or perhaps some other time if the group doesn't want to do this.Quote: AhighYou know if you've never been up the tower at Paris, it's worth it. Nice view of the Bellagio fountains and stuff. It's best at Sunset and it's usually not even that busy.
Quote: HotBlondeI'm down to do this if anyone is interested in going right after lunch or perhaps some other time if the group doesn't want to do this.
I think my wife and I would be up for doing that again, but I would prefer to do it either at night or at dusk.
After WoVCon][ last year, I posted here a panoramic photo that I had taken from the top of the tower at Paris. In the first post of that thread, I also posted a link to an earlier post here with a panoramic photo that I took from the top of the Rio looking toward the strip.
I have an 8" x 64" print of the earlier photo hanging in my condo, and I had plans to get a similar print of the shot from the Eiffel tower at maybe 8.8" x 48", but I decided to hold off. Looking at the photo closer, I realized that I had missed too much of the street-level stuff, particularly the Bellagio fountains. I needed to take a set of photos in portrait orientation (more high than wide) and stitch them together in a panorama rather than starting with landscape orientation images that cut off the street-level stuff. (If you aim the camera down toward the fountains, you can't really stitch a panorama together -- have to keep the camera level!)
Anyway, I need to get back up there and take the photos again, and I think sunset or dusk or night would give the image that I prefer.
Quote: DocI think my wife and I would be up for doing that again, but I would prefer to do it either at night or at dusk.
I'd like that, too.
My sense of time fails me, a lot, while in Vegas because 1) I'm on vacation, ") the two hour time difference and 3) the latitude difference. so I'm not entirely clear when dusk begins. Can someone clue me in on that?
Assuming a time around 8 pm, then it gets a bit tricky wither on the day of the lunch or the previous day after craps at MSS. So I'd propose Doc should pick a time and we all agree to meet then at the ticket office for the Eiffel tower replica. And that sounds terrible. So I'm sure someone will come up with a better idea.
You can join MidwestAP and I for some $100 shoes of baccarat at The Mirage. But why don't you plan a blackjack get together. May I suggest a double deck table at The Bellagio? I'm totally down.Quote: aceofspadesSo no blackjack sessions? only craps?
Quote: NareedI'd like that, too.
My sense of time fails me, a lot, while in Vegas because 1) I'm on vacation, ") the two hour time difference and 3) the latitude difference. so I'm not entirely clear when dusk begins. Can someone clue me in on that?
Assuming a time around 8 pm, then it gets a bit tricky wither on the day of the lunch or the previous day after craps at MSS. So I'd propose Doc should pick a time and we all agree to meet then at the ticket office for the Eiffel tower replica. And that sounds terrible. So I'm sure someone will come up with a better idea.
Sunset is ~7:47p on the 24th, and ~7:48p on the 25th. If we have time, we might try to do this as well next trip, I just have to remember to get there ~12 minutes earlier. :(
I feel bad to start off my fist introduction with negative comments. So, please don't hate me. Here goes....this title should read>The ♦Nareed♦ and the people she likes dinner. I read back a few pages it seemed as if some good suggestions were dismissed even the Wizards. If I read everything correct I believe a complementary dinning offer was spat on. I definitely feel this is more of a Clique type thing and many won't feel welcome.
Sadly Disappointed FF ):
Quote: Fabio101Hello fellow gamblers! Yes my real name is Fabio and I'm proud of it. I have spent a long time lurking here so I don't feel new.
I feel bad to start off my fist introduction with negative comments. So, please don't hate me. Here goes....this title should read>The ♦Nareed♦ and the people she likes dinner. I read back a few pages it seemed as if some good suggestions were dismissed even the Wizards. If I read everything correct I believe a complementary dinning offer was spat on. I definitely feel this is more of a Clique type thing and many won't feel welcome.
Sadly Disappointed FF ):
I don't hate you Fabio. I look forward to more of your posts. Welcome to the forum!
Nareed, my Android app agrees with the post from tringlomane regarding the sunset times that weekend. For planning purposes, we need to remember that there is often a significant delay between the time you get in line at the ground floor of Paris and the time you step out at the top of the Eiffel tower.
Quote: DocFabio101, I suspect that if you were to come to WoVCon]I[, you would find that those folks who show up (and not just rant on line) are a lot more open, friendly, and accepting of others -- even those of very different interests and lifestyles -- than what you would find among the general public.
Nareed, my Android app agrees with the post from tringlomane regarding the sunset times that weekend. For planning purposes, we need to remember that there is often a significant delay between the time you get in line at the ground floor of Paris and the time you step out at the top of the Eiffel tower.
Yeah, at night it took us maybe 40 minutes to get up there, on a weekday...yikes! And look for 2 for 1 passes if you can find them. If anyone is staying at CET properties, there is a good chance it will exist in the hotel coupon book.
Hell, two seconds of googling...lol
http://www.lasvegas-nv.com/coupons/eiffel-tower-paris-las-vegas-ride-coupon.htm
Quote: DocNareed, my Android app agrees with the post from tringlomane regarding the sunset times that weekend. For planning purposes, we need to remember that there is often a significant delay between the time you get in line at the ground floor of Paris and the time you step out at the top of the Eiffel tower.
I suppose that also varies with how many people are crowding the tower. FWIW, the time I went up in 2010, there was no line at the ticket counter at all. A year earlier, there was no service up the tower due to high winds; that's another thing to consider.
So, if the time for sunset is around 7:40, we should try to start getting up the tower around, say, 7:00?
BTW any idea if one can reserve a time slot for a large group?
The Mob Museum has a big bash going that Thursday, Friday and Saturday called BEING OSCAR starring Las Vegas' own mob lawyer turned popular mayor, Oscar Goodman.
Windows 8 must be destroyed.
If we lived in Roman times (you saw that coming, yes?), disgruntled Windows users would back a populist politician to help them somehow, and the whole thing would wind up causing a civil war.
Oh, well.
Quote: NareedI have been, once. It's nice, but the space on top is rather cramped, and the wire fence obscures the view some. It is worth doing, though. The Stratosphere tower has wide open spaces on top without an obtrusive fence, but it's too far from the more interesting parts of the Strip to afford much of a view (alas!). Though that one is also worth visiting. The elevator ride is interesting, too (not anything special, just interesting).
How much does this thing cost?
Quote: AcesAndEightsHow much does this thing cost?
$15.50 with a TR card. $16.50 without one.
Quote: Nareed$15.50 with a TR card. $16.50 without one.
Hmmm. I'll think about it. I do like high places with nice views, and I'm reasonably certain I could use my rewards credits.
Quote: AcesAndEightsHmmm. I'll think about it. I do like high places with nice views, and I'm reasonably certain I could use my rewards credits.
It is a really nice view. I also recommend the Stratosphere if you haven't done it already (the rides on that are a slightly different matter).
Actually I'd say any view from high up is a nice one, often regardless of what you're looking at. But that's just me.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI do too, and at dusk as well. Great views.
I think you can get an all-day pass or something. I recall going up the Strat tower twice the same day, once during the day time and the other at night.
