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Should we limit free speech?.....maybe a form of "speech control"........
Might be Too soon after last Friday's tragedy.
Let's debate this a month from now.
... of course, my abilities to defend your rights might be affected by my right to carry a gun.
On the other hand, I don't own any guns, but would like to live in a society where people get along.
Don't like what I say, don't listen. If you're not going to break into my house, why you worried about my guns?
Quote: P90The right to life. It should be seen as a privilege, not a right. Then, when only the people selected as worthy of that privilege by the state are allowed to exercise it, you will see a lot of problems vanish.
cant tell if serious or trolling..
are you advocating forced abortions or genocide?
Quote: WongBocant tell if serious or trolling..
are you advocating forced abortions or genocide?
Pretty sure it's sarcasm to prove a point. I also took vert's as sarcasm, but he can correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote: WongBocant tell if serious or trolling..
Couldn't be more serious in a 3-piece suit all buttoned up.
The overwhelming majority of social ills as well as particular incidents is ultimately caused by exercise of the right to life.
Quote: FacePretty sure it's sarcasm to prove a point. I also took vert's as sarcasm, but he can correct me if I'm wrong.
there was a tongue in my cheek when I wrote it.......
Was it your own tongue?Quote: vert1276there was a tongue in my cheek when I wrote it.......
Quote: DJTeddyBearWas it your own tongue?
unfortunately yes.....but I was fantasizing that it was Kate Upton's.....
Quote: vert1276there was a tongue in my cheek when I wrote it.......
That's what I thought. Kind of like the spoons-made-me-fat, pens-misspell-words arguement ;)
You can only pick one, not both.
Quote: DJTeddyBearWas it your own tongue?
I have a spoon with peanut butter in my mouth,
thats why I sound so odd.
Quote: P90Couldn't be more serious in a 3-piece suit all buttoned up.
The overwhelming majority of social ills as well as particular incidents is ultimately caused by exercise of the right to life.
If there were no people there would be no societal problems, that's for sure.
Quote: rxwineHow about, is free speech in a bar more dangerous than a gun in a bar?
You can only pick one, not both.
Neither guns nor words are dangerous. Some people are dangerous. Virtually all people become dangerous when exposed to the proper set of incentives.
now work for the gov't thru Obamacare, he's deputizing
them to ask questions about our guns. They have to
ask how many we have, where they are in the house,
where the ammo is, what kinds of guns they are. And
the doctor writes this all down and it goes in our record
that the gov't can now access any time it likes.
Gee, isn't this a rosy picture. Will doctors have to wear
an actual swastika on their arm to show their allegiance
to Supreme Leader Obama? And if the doctors refuse
to ask, what then. How will they be punished?
How about its none of your fricking business where my
legally purchased and registered guns are. Did we just
become Nazi Germany overnight?
Quote: EvenBobsince all doctors
now work for the gov't thru Obamacare, he's deputizing
them to ask questions about our guns.
Your source?
Quote: odiousgambitYour source?
Obama, of course. "We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands. Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities." "Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients’ homes and safe storage of those firearms.."
Obama is issuing a letter to all doctors that there
is no federal law preventing them from giving a patient
the 3rd degree about what guns they own, where
they are, etc.
So what happens when some guy goes to his doctor
to get his big toe looked at, and the doctor asks no
gun questions, and the next day the guy shoots 10
people. Of course the Fed's will come knocking on
the doctors door, that the purpose of this. Doctors
are now Obama Snitches, and woe be unto them if
they don't comply.
Edit:
"The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms."
Doctors, you work for me (Obama) now, I own your
asses with Obamacare. You better ask about guns
or we're going to make it a requirement. We want
to know where every gun is in every house in the
country, and you're the tool we'll use to get that info.
The goal of the paragraph with doctors is for them to ascertain a threat to those who may be mentally incapable or under a threat of medical violence and then be able to report it to authorities. There are states that prevent doctors from even asking those questions.
The first question that crisis hotlines ask when someone gets on the phone to report violence, problems in the home, or mental disorders, is "is there a threat of violence" and "is there a gun in the home?". At that point, if the crisis hotline determines that there is a threat, they call the authorities, and in the case of children, they have no discretion (in our country anyway).
This is the purpose of the law. There is no federal law that should prevent a doctor from asking a patient whether guns are in the home and be able to report that to authorities. Conversely, there is NO REQUIREMENT that doctors must ask that question, but the question is a valid one in some circumstances and might prevent a life-or-death situation. The last time I checked, there was no one handcuffing you to the doctor's office -- you can always go somewhere else. You can lie. You can probably say, "none of your business" and not get arrested.
This is exactly that the NRA was asking for - some way to identify mentally unstable people and to alert the authorities (and remove the guns from the home).
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/u-firearms-industry-inside-numbers-184833993.html
at least give credit to Obama
Obama just made it almost mandatory for doctors
to ask about guns. Too bad he can't make us answer.
Yet.
Quote: rxwine"more than 26,000 new gun-related jobs have been created over the past two years."
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/u-firearms-industry-inside-numbers-184833993.html
at least give credit to Obama
Quote: boymimbo
The goal of the paragraph with doctors is for them to ascertain a threat to those who may be mentally incapable .
But thats a big BIG umbrella. Doctors aren't trained
psychologists, who are they to determine who's
mentally incapable . And if they do
think that about somebody, whats with all the gun questions?
Just report the guy as mentally incapable who might
be prone to violence.
Obama is using this as an excuse to find out where the
guns are. The Lib's have been crying themselves to sleep
for 40 years trying to figure out a way to take our guns.
This is the first step. To take them, you first have to know
where they are. Duh...
Quote: Buzzard
"The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.
Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have?
Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner veteran or not, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !"
Point being, why is the nurse saying this? Where
did she get that info from? Taking our guns has
to start somewhere. Obviously it already has.
Quote: EvenBobhttp://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-05-13-nra-doctors-guns_n.htm
Obama just made it almost mandatory for doctors
to ask about guns. Too bad he can't make us answer.
Yet.
That story does not go with your commentary.
The word "Obama" doesn't even appear in it.
Try harder Bob, if your story is correct, you'd find better than an article about an argument between the Physicians and the NRA about the right of doctors to ask about guns in the house. The -right- mind, not the compulsion to do for Obama or any other administration.
Maybe that's false, or there is a hidden agenda that you are finding in all these articles.
And you think I'm joking.
"...No laws or regulations in any way forbid or discourage doctors from educating their patients about the long-confirmed effectiveness of personal firearms in preventing a wide variety of medical issues, ranging from bruises and bone fractures to depression and PTSD, and of the higher success rate and lower cost of prevention compared to symptomatic treatment.
Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to answer and preempt their patients’ questions about hearing protection equipment, safe storage and usage practices, and high quality firearms available on the American markets, as well as provide them at a reasonable commission, allowing patients to exercise their rights when and where they are needed the most.
It is important to remember that medical care facilities do not belong to the list of firearm exclusion zones, and there is no regulation against our fine manufacturers bringing the retail distribution on hospital premises, nor any no justifiable reason for their administrative staff to impede this process in any way."