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July 18th, 2012 at 3:21:07 PM permalink
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Face, thanks for that story. Black bears are said to be less protective of their cubs than other species, but you have me wondering now just how safe it is to be around those cubs. In the case of the other bears, it is best policy not to gawk at any cubs but get the hell away as fast as possible, as "protective" is not the word, gawkers are in grave danger.

After your story, I think I will assume a black bear mother is not to be trusted either. In any case, when seeing cubs, one has to remember the mother is not far away.

Blacks, at least the wild ones not familiar with humans, very seldom attack and [I am told] typically mothers send cubs up a tree and vamoose when threatened. Surprisingly, though, the rule about browns or grizzlies if attacked and not armed is to fall to the ground, cover your head, and play dead, while with blacks it is to fight to the bitter end. The reason given is that a black bear that attacks [and is not protecting cubs] is a desperately hungry bear that plans to eat you. Your only chance is to convince it to try to eat something else.

Black bears accustomed to humans must be quite unpredictable.



You are welcome =) In the bear world, blacks are definitely the babies. But there is no "safe bear", and even a "less protective bear" is still more than any human being can handle. When it comes to kids, back off in ALL cases. And I mean ALL. Doesn't matter if you happen across a baby beaver, or little racoon kits, or a flock of fuzzy goslings, every one of their mothers have a chance of attacking, and not a single one of them is pleasant.

And I tend to agree with your blacks vs others comparison. "Wild" blacks, like those I've seen around my house, are almost spectral. You barely catch a glimpse of them before they're gone, if you see them at all. I've rarely seen a "wild" black. "Conditioned" blacks, on the other hand, are like you said. Unpredictable. The majority of the ones I've seen were at ASP, and like all the horror stories you see on the news, it's exactly the same. Bears come in to raid the garbage. They're not scared of people because people are constantly present. Shouting, dogs barking, doors slamming, they're just not affected. I don't think they'd attack, simply for lack of reason, but since your approach probably won't scare them, you run the risk of finding you've cornered one. Or you could turn around to find one sniffing at your neck lol. That's when things can get ugly, and why Wiz has me concerned. All these State Parks and government run nature areas are the same. Lots of people, all year long, in wild animal habitat. Random woods is one thing, "wild" bears usually scoot. Bears in these parks get conditioned, and conditioned bears don't run.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Fascinating story. Well told. Thanks.



You are welcome as well =)

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Wait a sec...
Aren't you invoking the "past results affect future outcomes" principle?



This is why I love this place. You guys are hilarious! Can't even let a suspected math error go in a bear story lol.

No, the chances are less because things have changed. Back then, 90% of my "woods time" was spent at 40mph. Nowadays, 100% of it is spent at a slow walk, either dragging my canoe or walking with my young son (or both). Bear, especially black with cubs, won't stick around long enough for me to catch them at a walk. Had I been simply riding rather than trying to break the sound barrier, I doubt I would've caught the mama and cubs the last time. Also, yes, there'll be no more "stop and watch". Been there, done that, keep it moving ;)

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What caliber of glock? generally speaking a hand gun isn't consider to have enough stopping power for bear. Unless its a freakishly large caliber.



I have a Glock RTF22, which is a .40cal. Blacks around here average in the 200-300lb range. The 500 pounder my dad's friend shot a few years back (with a bow and arrow) is a legit giant, a once in a lifetime sighting. The 200+lb ones, although much, much more dense and muscular, are about the size of a large dog. Maybe 3 feet at the shoulder, they're not big at all, nowhere near the browns that Wiz has a chance of running into. I am confident that my .40 is sufficient. Of course, I'd be totally confident with the .44, but this is NY. Open carry is completely forbidden, and concealing a gun that large, especially in 90* heat and 100% humidity, is entirely impossible. As it is, I only have one outfit that keeps the Glock under wraps. I <3 NY =p
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July 19th, 2012 at 6:19:17 AM permalink
Quote: Face

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Wait a sec...
Aren't you invoking the "past results affect future outcomes" principle?

This is why I love this place. You guys are hilarious! Can't even let a suspected math error go in a bear story lol.


Glad you got the intended chuckle. :)
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July 19th, 2012 at 6:24:52 AM permalink
When it comes to bear attacks, someone who gets attacked once, is much more likely to get attacked for a second time then someone who has never been attacked being attacked once.

So in that sense, past results do affect future outcomes.

Oh, that doesn't count people who were attacked and killed.
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August 13th, 2012 at 4:18:19 PM permalink
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Encounters happen randomly and without warning...


Quote: Face

I'll probably see another in a few weeks...



Somehow, I've contradicted myself, yet maintained truth in both sentences.


6 freaking sightings this time, more than double my entire lifetime. This one pictured was at 4pm and in broad daylight, and as you can see, the bears here just don't care. There's human activity everywhere, and they'll just trot right through it. So much for "black bears are skittish", huh? At any national park area, where humans are frequently in the wilderness, bears can be conditioned just like this.

It was a rough trip this time. 12 kids from 3yrs to 10yrs, ranging in personalities from my 6yr old cousin who cried and ran anytime
anyone said a word that sounded anything like "bear", to my 3yr old son who wanted nothing more than to finally catch and ride one,
to all the grown folk pictured (none of which are my family), who just wanted, apparently, to be on the news for being mauled. I've
done some training with gun play from many awkward stances, but this took the cake. Trying to maintain firing lines and position while
simultaneously holding kids back or knocking them back onto the porch wasn't in the brochure lol. Right hand on Glock, right leg to
stand on, left arm to grab kids, and left leg to knock them down. What a cluster.

This is an average adult for here. About 3' at the shoulder, 250lbs, and powerful enough to rip the face off that Silverado
in the background. The one my buddy shot was twice this size. Browns can get nearly SIX TIMES this size. I'm not saying,
I'm just saying ;)
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August 13th, 2012 at 4:23:50 PM permalink
Quote: Face

Trying to maintain firing lines and position while
simultaneously holding kids back



So you're not the guy on the porch in
the white shirt? Thanks for clearing
that up..
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August 13th, 2012 at 5:54:51 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So you're not the guy on the porch in
the white shirt? Thanks for clearing
that up..



Lol, you know what I look like. The bizzaro HB Challenge for me to get that big would be at least 50:1 against =p

No, this pic was taken by my cousin walking back from the bathrooms. This trail was kitty corner from ours, and the pic taken as the bear ran from this one right through ours. At this time, most of the kids were at the beach and I had mine out on the canoe. The cluster happened that night at about 10p. Just like last year, I was within 15 feet of it, close enough to read the tag in it's ear, see it's whiskers, hear it's chuffing breath. I like seeing them, but not like this...
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August 14th, 2012 at 1:21:37 PM permalink
I fought a bear with my bare hands once. I beat him up and then i used his skin to make a coat. I didnt need a glock like a little girl.
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