teliot
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January 21st, 2019 at 8:57:14 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

It isn't mail fraud. It is using the USPS's own rules to the letter of the law. Some argue that once something is eligible for media mail, you can include other items with it.
I don't subscribe to that, but some Post Offices accept it, others don't. I'm a comic book dealer. Postal regulations say a comic book that has advertising in it is not eligible for media mail, but one that doesn't contain advertising is. Can you tell if a comic book has ads or not?

Okay -- well, you clearly have a lot more experience with media mail than do I. Regardless, sending a box of playing cards and pretending they are packaging material by including a single piece of sheet music is so obviously over the line, not to mention a waste of my time, that I am not going to even consider it.

I would say that if the item being sent is primarily a media item, then I would feel comfortable with a little bit of fudging (like your comic book ad scenario). But this item is in no way a media item.
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January 21st, 2019 at 8:59:26 AM permalink
Filed under “No good deed goes Unpunished”.

Nothing is ever simple around here.
Last edited by: Boz on Jan 21, 2019
billryan
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January 21st, 2019 at 9:46:00 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Okay -- well, you clearly have a lot more experience with media mail than do I. Regardless, sending a box of playing cards and pretending they are packaging material by including a single piece of sheet music is so obviously over the line, not to mention a waste of my time, that I am not going to even consider it.

I would say that if the item being sent is primarily a media item, then I would feel comfortable with a little bit of fudging (like your comic book ad scenario). But this item is in no way a media item.



I agree with you 100%. I occasionally use media mail but try to err on the side of maybe not using it in cases that might get away with it. Media mail saves shippers lots of money, which tends to lead to abuses. A simple solution would be to have people bring media mail to the PO unsealed for inspection. They do that with mail for the visually impaired.
Will you combine shipping if someone wins both auctions?
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Zcore13
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January 21st, 2019 at 10:49:12 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

It isn't mail fraud. It is using the USPS's own rules to the letter of the law. Some argue that once something is eligible for media mail, you can include other items with it.
I don't subscribe to that, but some Post Offices accept it, others don't. I'm a comic book dealer. Postal regulations say a comic book that has advertising in it is not eligible for media mail, but one that doesn't contain advertising is. Can you tell if a comic book has ads or not?



What if the comic book is from the 70's and none of the adds are legit anymore?

I like the idea of having a playing card from so many casinos, just not exactly sure what I would do with them other than try and collect more and more. Seems like it could be never ending.


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billryan
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January 21st, 2019 at 11:08:42 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

What if the comic book is from the 70's and none of the adds are legit anymore?

I like the idea of having a playing card from so many casinos, just not exactly sure what I would do with them other than try and collect more and more. Seems like it could be never ending.


ZCore13



That is actually an outstanding question and one that has yet to be answered. A group I was involved with sent a letter to the Post Office asking to clarify that and got no response. The practical answer is that it makes no sense to send expensive books via media mail as they may be opened and examined. I currently own hundreds of decks of used casino cards. Never thought about selling them individually like this.
GWAE
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January 21st, 2019 at 3:50:12 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Many ebayers get around that regulation by including a sheet of music in the package. That technically means you are sending the sheet music and using the playing cards as packing material. Media mail stinks, as it is subject to being opened anywhere along the way and PO employees aren't the best at resealing them. I've been fighting that for years.
A good alternative is to ship using Fed Ex Smart Post, but that involves the seller going to a Fed Ex office. For priority mail, the PO will come to you to pick it up.



2001 I had a website that sold coupons. Not casino coupons, regular coupons like tide. They were free but you had to buy the envelope from me. Envelopes were $2.50 and you could put up to 25 coupons in each. Coupons are illegal to sell but not illegal to give away.
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billryan
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January 21st, 2019 at 3:53:58 PM permalink
Way, way back in the day, when doing flea markets, I'd sell bolts for a buck a pop. Every bolt got you a free soda. Market restrictions didn't allow vendors to sell food or beverages. Like most things, it worked until it didn't.

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