Behind The Black Dome: An Advantage Player
August 4th, 2012 at 2:17:47 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 4th, 2012 at 2:33:50 PM
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Mostly none of the above.Quote: WongBoAll of the above and a few more you haven't thought of yet
August 4th, 2012 at 4:19:56 PM
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Quote: LonesomeGamblerMostly none of the above.
That's what I was thinking!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
August 4th, 2012 at 4:31:44 PM
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What's "Mostly none of the above" ?
August 4th, 2012 at 4:46:11 PM
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Me disagreeing with WongBo's "all of the above statement" regarding counting, marked card play, and hole card play. FWIW, I also disagree with your statement that the largest amount of money won by APs in recent times has been from baccarat, but I don't care to discuss that on a public forum. PMs gladly accepted, of course.Quote: KeyserWhat's "Mostly none of the above" ?
August 4th, 2012 at 4:59:54 PM
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The various Asian bac teams probably won 10X to possibly as much as 100x that of all of the card counters combined. Some individual casinos were hit for several million at a time. Their specialties were false shuffles, cameras in the shoe, cutting, and sort play. There is documentation of these events on the internet, as well as various news articles.
August 4th, 2012 at 5:08:29 PM
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Well if it was on the internet, then it must be TRUE !
August 5th, 2012 at 12:28:31 PM
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Quote: WizardWhat a coincidence! Bob Dancer and I are trying to reach you to be a guest on our radio show to discuss your book. Please send me a Private Message to discuss this.
Buzz, I'm calling you on that one. Please explain why it is "drivel." Otherwise, I think you should retract the remark.
And the consensus opinion is ??????
August 5th, 2012 at 12:34:49 PM
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Quote: KeyserThe various Asian bac teams probably won 10X to possibly as much as 100x that of all of the card counters combined. Some individual casinos were hit for several million at a time. Their specialties were false shuffles, cameras in the shoe, cutting, and sort play. There is documentation of these events on the internet, as well as various news articles.
Sounds like you are referring to Van Thu Tran of the "Tran Organization."
They won (stole?) millions via false shuffles. I watched the documentary on CNBC's "American Greed."
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
August 5th, 2012 at 12:35:08 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffAnd the consensus opinion is ??????
If anybody on planet earth has seen this book,
they ain't talking. T Dane put 'Not in Stock'
on his site right after people here started looking
into who he really was. Or thats how it looks,
anyway.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 5th, 2012 at 12:43:42 PM
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Quote: MakingBookSounds like you are referring to Van Thu Tran of the "Tran Organization."
They won (stole?) millions via false shuffles. I saw the documentary on CNBC's "American Greed."
Wait, I can hear the rebuttles now. "You can't believe everything you see on TV either."
and
"Well if it was on TV, then it must be TRUE !"
August 5th, 2012 at 12:55:44 PM
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Next you will be saying Reality TV shows are scripted. REALLY !
August 5th, 2012 at 1:30:43 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffNext you will be saying Reality TV shows are scripted. REALLY !
They are scripted, but there are no scripts or
writers. They're scripted in the way a wedding
is scripted, people are told what to do and
what to say. And they shoot a scene over and
over till its just right.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 6th, 2012 at 5:40:50 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThey are scripted, but there are no scripts or
writers. They're scripted in the way a wedding
is scripted, people are told what to do and
what to say. And they shoot a scene over and
over till its just right.
This is undeniably the case, at least, in some cases. I remember an episode of, "The Soup," with Joel McHale in which he was showing a clip from...I think..."The Real World," in which there was a verbal exchange taking place, but the cameraman was accidentally in the shot and that same cameraman signalled to the two girls standing off to the side to come in and break it up.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 6th, 2012 at 5:44:12 PM
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That must be it. T Dane is actually auditioning for the Wiz's new reality TV show .
I wrote the name down, but now I can not find it. SIGH
I wrote the name down, but now I can not find it. SIGH
August 6th, 2012 at 6:01:22 PM
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Quote: Mission146This is undeniably the case,.
Shooting any TV show is incredibly expensive. They're
not about to waste any time waiting for people to say
or do something they can air. They use outlines and
direction, all reality shows do this. The exception are
shows like COPS. For shows like that, they'll a dozen
camera men in a dozen cop cars, hoping to get a good
scene. On Deadliest Catch, the deck shots are real, but
all the stuff inside the ship is scripted. Except when
somebody gets hurt, obviously.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 7th, 2012 at 11:21:51 AM
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I have always wondered why,on SURVIVOR, the camera man would not share his lunch with a hottie ?
August 7th, 2012 at 11:37:57 AM
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$90.00
In stock
Hurry, before it sells out !
In stock
Hurry, before it sells out !
August 7th, 2012 at 1:06:38 PM
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I don't understand why T Dane won't answer emails.
He puts his address on there, says to write him, then
he ignores you. He can't be getting that many emails,
there is zero evidence anybody has read or has even
gotten a copy of this book.
He puts his address on there, says to write him, then
he ignores you. He can't be getting that many emails,
there is zero evidence anybody has read or has even
gotten a copy of this book.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 7th, 2012 at 1:17:37 PM
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He's decided to ignore Statler and Waldorf.
I've had communications with him. I decline to buy the book and await the GWAE review, if it happens.
I've had communications with him. I decline to buy the book and await the GWAE review, if it happens.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
August 7th, 2012 at 1:22:12 PM
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Quote: thecesspitHe's decided to ignore Statler and Waldorf.
I've had communications with him. I decline to buy the book and await the GWAE review, if it happens.
Now he says he ships anywhere in the world free.
He has the book 'in stock' again. Wasn't he going
to charge you 12.50 to ship to CA? I looked up
actual cost and it was under $4.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 7th, 2012 at 1:25:55 PM
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Quote: EvenBobNow he says he ships anywhere in the world free.
He has the book 'in stock' again. Wasn't he going
to charge you 12.50 to ship to CA? I looked up
actual cost and it was under $4.
No, you looked up the cost for a different postage method than he was offering. I didn't get to the point where I was about to discuss postage methods and the pricing there off. Having decided that I wasn't interested enough to have that discussion, I left it there.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
August 7th, 2012 at 2:14:04 PM
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I have decided to wait for the movie.
August 7th, 2012 at 4:01:21 PM
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With all the potential customers here, TDane
hasn't visited the forum in a week. The book
isn't being discussed anywhere else but here.
hasn't visited the forum in a week. The book
isn't being discussed anywhere else but here.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 8th, 2012 at 7:23:54 AM
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That's just so casinos will not find out. What other reason can there possibly be ?
August 8th, 2012 at 12:04:59 PM
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False shuffles and cameras are cheating—not AP. That's where the big money in bac went.Quote: KeyserThe various Asian bac teams probably won 10X to possibly as much as 100x that of all of the card counters combined. Some individual casinos were hit for several million at a time. Their specialties were false shuffles, cameras in the shoe, cutting, and sort play. There is documentation of these events on the internet, as well as various news articles.
August 8th, 2012 at 12:09:00 PM
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John Gotti and Sammy the Bull Gravani made 110 x the baccarat chearters
August 8th, 2012 at 12:09:51 PM
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John Gotti and Sammy the Bull Gravani made 110 x the baccarat chearters
August 8th, 2012 at 2:08:58 PM
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Has anybody on this or neighboring planets seen this book ? ANYBODY ??
August 11th, 2012 at 5:11:54 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffHas anybody on this or neighboring planets seen this book ? ANYBODY ??
No wonder it went out of stock so quickly. This thing is HOT! The pages are printed on 14K pressure-coated gold. Hand-bound, and not by your average Chinese child laborer. The first sentence of the introduction literally made me pass out, more quickly than the time that I ingested psychedelic mushrooms. Where the author lacks sufficient communication in his book marketing, he excels in his actual surveillance literature. He explains step-by-step techniques to become invisible to the All Seeing Eye as well as everyone around you. Said techniques include but are not limited to remote viewing (so you can see what the surveillance see before they actually see it) and psychologically-induced time travel (so you can correct your mistakes before they occur). If you've heard of Ed Dames and the Stargate Project then you know this stuff really works (I recommend Dame's RV DVDs before indulging with Dane's materials.....Dame is inferior compared to Dane!!!!).
Talk about page-turning thriller! This guy has led the most exciting life in casino surveillance that I have ever read, and that's saying a lot (who knew that bad coffee in the department's break room could set the tone for how many counters would be scrutinized that day)! I'm truly a die-hard fan and recommend the book to anybody who found Ben Mezrich's "Bringing Down the House" (not to be confused with the Queen Latifah film) a total bore. The reference section of this book also includes the names and phone numbers of every current pit boss and surveillance supervisor this side of the Strip....just in case you feel Chatty Cathy or want to hold someone hostage for comps.
Bottom line, if you don't have a copy, you're missing out, man. $90 was worth every penny.
Five stars
August 11th, 2012 at 5:29:15 PM
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Dude. Sphincter? Really? Thats the best you
could do on a public forum?
could do on a public forum?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 11th, 2012 at 5:48:30 PM
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Quote: EvenBobDude. Sphincter? Really? Thats the best you
could do on a public forum?
That was my nickname in college. Problem?
August 11th, 2012 at 5:50:13 PM
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Wiz actually has a copy of the book. Am awaiting his review.
August 11th, 2012 at 6:11:45 PM
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Quote: SphincterThat was my nickname in college. Problem?
If you enjoy being called that, who am I to
argue. For some people, its a very fitting
name. I know several schincters, and they
really earned it..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 11th, 2012 at 7:37:53 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIf you enjoy being called that, who am I to
argue. For some people, its a very fitting
name. I know several schincters, and they
really earned it..
You're just mad because the hilarity of that review upstaged your (also hilarious) one-liners.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 11th, 2012 at 7:55:37 PM
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Quote: Mission146You're just mad because the hilarity of that review upstaged your (also hilarious) one-liners.
I'm mad because me and Buzz are the old a-holes
around here and now somebody comes along and
tries to steal our thunder.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 11th, 2012 at 9:14:12 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI'm mad because me and Buzz are the old a-holes
around here and now somebody comes along and
tries to steal our thunder.
My bad, next time I will get a permission slip signed by my legal guardian before posting on the same thread as you.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:04:13 PM
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I can't believe that I read this entire thread and there is still no book review. Like Teddy KGB in Rounders, I feel so unsatisfied.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:24:25 PM
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Quote: SphincterMy bad, next time I will get a permission slip signed by my legal guardian before posting on the same thread as you.
We will understand if it is written in crayon as you are not allowed to have sharp objects in your room.
August 14th, 2012 at 9:25:13 PM
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Wiz is busy and a slow reader. Patience is a virtue.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:14:40 AM
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I had the opportunity to participate in an impromptu chat on a blackjack site the other night with T Lane, and handful of AP members of that site. After that 90 minute or so chat, I came away with some impressions of T Lane, that I thought I would share, since some of you guys have given him such a hard time. He is, without a doubt the real deal and is a surveillance operator. He is extremely knowledgeable about his field and advantage play. I was actually disappointed in his expertise. I had rather hoped that he, along with every other surveillance tech, would just be some schlub putting in his time, not knowing or caring that much about anything. That is definitely not the case with T Lane. He is very sharp and bright. I now, can only hope that he is an abnormality amongst surveillance folks. I have already learned a couple things from him that I hadn't considered before as well as had a little look into his mind and thought process, which can only be beneficial.
Now I can't endorse his book, as I haven't read it. I was kind of on the fence about buying it. The money's not important. 90 bucks, no big deal. But I just figured it would be a lot of redundancy with other material that I have read. After this chat, I have pretty much changed my mind and intend to purchase it. My buddy, Richard Munchkin, and another full-time AP, that I communicate with regularly are awaiting their copies, so I am interested in their reviews and thoughts as well as that of the wizard.
Now I can't endorse his book, as I haven't read it. I was kind of on the fence about buying it. The money's not important. 90 bucks, no big deal. But I just figured it would be a lot of redundancy with other material that I have read. After this chat, I have pretty much changed my mind and intend to purchase it. My buddy, Richard Munchkin, and another full-time AP, that I communicate with regularly are awaiting their copies, so I am interested in their reviews and thoughts as well as that of the wizard.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:33:24 AM
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I think Richard Munchkin's review will be the swing vote in my mind as to my purchase.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:37:28 PM
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Quote: DeMangoI think Richard Munchkin's review will be the swing vote in my mind as to my purchase.
Exactly. The Wiz and Munchkin will know if there's
anything there thats not in other books. Just because
90 bucks isn't much money, that doesn't mean I want
to flush it down the toilet just because I can. Thats
known as poor money management.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 22nd, 2012 at 12:19:58 PM
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I just finished Behind the Black Dome, which author T. Dane was kind enough to give me to review. I have no doubt that the author worked in surveillance and everything in the book is factual and up to date. Those who listen to my radio show know that I recently toured the surveillance room at the South Point with cohost Bob Dancer. The director of surveillance was very candid and spent about two hours explaining the role of surveillance and answering our questions. What he said lines up exactly with what is in Dane’s book. So, Dane’s qualifications to write a book on the topic of surveillance cannot be impugned.
Personally, much of the information in the book I already knew. Whether from blackjack books that list the usual “red flags,” or from my South Point tour, I feel I already had a good background on the topic. An experienced advantage player probably will also already know a lot of what is in the book already. However, I think there will be something for every AP. For example, what clothing do advantage players tend to wear, what accessories do they tend to have, how to they tend to act, and what other red flags attract the attention of surveillance. You’ll also see how surveillance usually tests a player for counting or hole carding, and which decoys work and which just set off another red flag. Some red flags you’ll know, like good advantage players drink in strict moderation or not at all, and are very tight tippers. Others you probably won’t, and out of respect for copyright, I’m not going to list them.
Another selling point to the book should be that it covers the basics of the current advantage plays. Most successful advantage players these days are into angles other than card counting, many of which have very little information published out them. I’m not saying the book is a complete “how to” guide in advantage play, but does give a good overview of the latest angles.
Finally, anybody interested in a casino career, especially in surveillance, would do well to read this book. In any profession it looks good to go into the interview already knowing something about what you want to be employed to do. This book will provide an excellent background about what surveillance is all about. Any surveillance manager would probably be impressed that a job candidate did his homework beforehand.
The price tag on the book is $90. I’m not going to give a straight yes or no answer to whether it is worth the cost. For some people it will be and some it won’t. As with any book, you will have to make that decision for yourself.
Personally, much of the information in the book I already knew. Whether from blackjack books that list the usual “red flags,” or from my South Point tour, I feel I already had a good background on the topic. An experienced advantage player probably will also already know a lot of what is in the book already. However, I think there will be something for every AP. For example, what clothing do advantage players tend to wear, what accessories do they tend to have, how to they tend to act, and what other red flags attract the attention of surveillance. You’ll also see how surveillance usually tests a player for counting or hole carding, and which decoys work and which just set off another red flag. Some red flags you’ll know, like good advantage players drink in strict moderation or not at all, and are very tight tippers. Others you probably won’t, and out of respect for copyright, I’m not going to list them.
Another selling point to the book should be that it covers the basics of the current advantage plays. Most successful advantage players these days are into angles other than card counting, many of which have very little information published out them. I’m not saying the book is a complete “how to” guide in advantage play, but does give a good overview of the latest angles.
Finally, anybody interested in a casino career, especially in surveillance, would do well to read this book. In any profession it looks good to go into the interview already knowing something about what you want to be employed to do. This book will provide an excellent background about what surveillance is all about. Any surveillance manager would probably be impressed that a job candidate did his homework beforehand.
The price tag on the book is $90. I’m not going to give a straight yes or no answer to whether it is worth the cost. For some people it will be and some it won’t. As with any book, you will have to make that decision for yourself.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 22nd, 2012 at 12:32:58 PM
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Quote: Wizardwhat clothing do advantage players tend to wear, what accessories do they tend to have, how to they tend to act, and what other red flags attract the attention of surveillance. You’ll also see how surveillance usually tests a player for counting or hole carding, and which decoys work and which just set off another red flag. Some red flags you’ll know, like good advantage players drink in strict moderation or not at all, and are very tight tippers.
All these things are covered extensively in other
books on AP play and on the gambling forums.
James Grosjean has discussed this many times
in articles and interviews. The casino always likes
to think they're one step ahead of AP's and they're
usually two steps behind. I'd pay $12.95 for a
book like this, thats about what its worth to me.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 22nd, 2012 at 1:00:21 PM
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Quote: Wizard
The price tag on the book is $90. I’m not going to give a straight yes or no answer to whether it is worth the cost. For some people it will be and some it won’t. As with any book, you will have to make that decision for yourself.
But it's not drivel? :)
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
August 22nd, 2012 at 1:43:12 PM
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Wiz -
That's a great review of the content. But for 90 bucks, is the damn thing even a "book" ?
I mean, is it glue-bound like a paperback book, saddle-stiched like a magazine, or a hard cover? Or is it really a cheap mauscript type of thing, with a plastic "binder"?
What size is it? Does the type-face make it an "easy read"? Does it use a lot of filler, such as blank pages after chapters?
I guess what I'd realy like is a photo, page count, and a sample page.
That's a great review of the content. But for 90 bucks, is the damn thing even a "book" ?
I mean, is it glue-bound like a paperback book, saddle-stiched like a magazine, or a hard cover? Or is it really a cheap mauscript type of thing, with a plastic "binder"?
What size is it? Does the type-face make it an "easy read"? Does it use a lot of filler, such as blank pages after chapters?
I guess what I'd realy like is a photo, page count, and a sample page.
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August 22nd, 2012 at 1:54:26 PM
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Niche books that are going to be useful to a very small segment of the population tend to be high in price. Nobody ever says that Grosjean's book is overpriced at $250. I'm not sure at exactly what point something becomes a book. To answer your questions, it uses that kind of glue binding that you might see in an obscure academic publication. The covers are not hard, but on thicker paper than the rest of the book and glossy. The size is 8.5" x 11". There is not much blank space and I would not accuse the author of padding it for a higher page count. The quality of the writing is easy to understand and well written. 165 pages. I'll try to provide a picture later.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 22nd, 2012 at 2:04:20 PM
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Quote: WizardNobody ever says that Grosjean's book is overpriced at $250.
At the time it was written, Grosjean's book had info
you couldn't find anywhere else, it was worth the
price. The big thing people do in gambling books
now is to read 5 well written books on the subject
and write their own book with what they learned.
All you're getting is warmed over material, no matter
how well written. Black Dome doesn't seem to do
that, but it also doesn't sound like there's much in
it that isn't available elsewhere.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 26th, 2012 at 11:33:02 PM
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I am thinking along the same lines as KewlJ that he might run back over a whole lot of the same material that is in Cellini's book. This guy has been on other forums pushing his book but I have yet to hear from anyone who's read it. I would want a benchmark of comparison to Cellini's book and if he gives anything over and above what is there.
