COACH CHALLENGE RULING APPEAL
Quote: MDawgWhat he does have going for him is dogged determination and refusal to back down even when pointedly in the wrong, so maybe the point is that anyone who tries enough times and doesn't give up may get something accomplished.
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Of course this sort of thing may also get you in deeper and deeper hot water. Sometimes irrevocably. Such as if you keep stubbornly buying more and more of a crappy penny stock that others keep telling you is to be avoided and should have been dumped at the first (or at least second, or third) opportunity to get out with a profit.
Quote: darkozQuote: SOOPOOQuote: darkozQuote: MDawgExcept where the connections have nothing to do with the rulings. I've played golf with judges. I've seen one or more at my gym before. We just don't talk about cases is all.
Anyway you were the convicted defendant in this thread, prosecuting an appeal. Not me. I just submitted amicus sort of briefs.
You're the one who paid Wizard to testify for you once, and paid him to judge my Baccarat session contest, and yet he has ruled against you in WOV matters. Repeatedly.
Hence the assumption is that he is unbiased or at least impartial. Or are you suggesting otherwise?
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I'm stating what I am stating.
If I was on trial for anything and I found out the Plaintiff was playing golf with the judge are you as an attorney seriously suggesting I wouldn't have grounds for an appeal? Regardless of "but we don't discuss cases" nonsense
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You are unaware of how the real world works. I’ve been at political fundraisers with all sorts of judges playing with all sorts of lawyers. Charity events as well.
You don’t think the membership list at exclusive country clubs are not rife with these judges/lawyers/anesthesiologists?
I probably know Mike better than either of you. He’d rule against me IN A SECOND if he felt I was in the wrong. No reason to imply his ‘friendship’ with MDawg had ANYTHING to do with a ‘ruling’. (Which I don’t even remember!)
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And I was literally just in court for a friend with a simple misdemeanor battery and the judge saw he knew one of the witnesses and instantly recused himself.
Sure judges play golf with attorneys but they don't play golf with the PLAINTIFFS!!!
If you can't see that distinction I can't help you.
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Ok. Back to the real world. In a typical malpractice/personal injury/negligence type case the lawyer representing the plaintiff is ESSENTIALLY 1/3 of the plaintiff. If a judgment is for say, $6 million, the LAWYER gets $2 million. So I ask you, does the judge have to recuse himself from every case in which he played golf with the lawyer?
I think that a judge CERTAINLY can recuse himself if he feels that the relationship with a lawyer/plaintiff would prevent him from acting impartially.
You must be aware of some judges in high profile cases that have actually DONATED THEIR OWN MONEY to political candidates opposing the accused? I’ll stop there as I don’t want to be suspended before I get my picks in for next week’s games!
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: darkozQuote: SOOPOOQuote: darkozQuote: MDawgExcept where the connections have nothing to do with the rulings. I've played golf with judges. I've seen one or more at my gym before. We just don't talk about cases is all.
Anyway you were the convicted defendant in this thread, prosecuting an appeal. Not me. I just submitted amicus sort of briefs.
You're the one who paid Wizard to testify for you once, and paid him to judge my Baccarat session contest, and yet he has ruled against you in WOV matters. Repeatedly.
Hence the assumption is that he is unbiased or at least impartial. Or are you suggesting otherwise?
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I'm stating what I am stating.
If I was on trial for anything and I found out the Plaintiff was playing golf with the judge are you as an attorney seriously suggesting I wouldn't have grounds for an appeal? Regardless of "but we don't discuss cases" nonsense
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You are unaware of how the real world works. I’ve been at political fundraisers with all sorts of judges playing with all sorts of lawyers. Charity events as well.
You don’t think the membership list at exclusive country clubs are not rife with these judges/lawyers/anesthesiologists?
I probably know Mike better than either of you. He’d rule against me IN A SECOND if he felt I was in the wrong. No reason to imply his ‘friendship’ with MDawg had ANYTHING to do with a ‘ruling’. (Which I don’t even remember!)
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And I was literally just in court for a friend with a simple misdemeanor battery and the judge saw he knew one of the witnesses and instantly recused himself.
Sure judges play golf with attorneys but they don't play golf with the PLAINTIFFS!!!
If you can't see that distinction I can't help you.
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Ok. Back to the real world. In a typical malpractice/personal injury/negligence type case the lawyer representing the plaintiff is ESSENTIALLY 1/3 of the plaintiff. If a judgment is for say, $6 million, the LAWYER gets $2 million. So I ask you, does the judge have to recuse himself from every case in which he played golf with the lawyer?
I think that a judge CERTAINLY can recuse himself if he feels that the relationship with a lawyer/plaintiff would prevent him from acting impartially.
You must be aware of some judges in high profile cases that have actually DONATED THEIR OWN MONEY to political candidates opposing the accused? I’ll stop there as I don’t want to be suspended before I get my picks in for next week’s games!
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I find it incredible that you would believe that's the real world but.
I will let the REAL LEGAL WORLD speak for me. (If you don't feel like reading the real world truth, let me simplify it. The answer to your question is yes)
D.Oz has Wizard ever suggested that your tortuous "appeals" or losing Coach Challenges be considered by a different moderator? What was your response?
It also sometimes just has to do with disclosure. I represented the plaintiff once in a minor lawsuit where the judge disclosed that he had been the law school professor for the only witness for the defense. I waived the conflict.
Quote: MDawgIn the scheme of things, that D.Oz once paid Wizard to testify on his behalf has a higher appearance of impropriety than that MDawg and Wizard interact socially occasionally.
D.Oz has Wizard ever suggested that your tortuous "appeals" or losing Coach Challenges be considered by a different moderator? What was your response?
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I never wanted to take part in any of the Coach challenges which I feel is just total BS designed to piss off forum members.
I don't know to what multiple challenges you refer. I have had only one coach challenge which was total BS, plenty of forum members actually agreed with me.
The wizards association with me as well is EVEN MORE REASON for his recusal, not less. SMH.
I have actually prevailed on one or two, and been owed suspension days.
Quote: MDawgThe fact of the matter is that you've never gotten anywhere with any of these WOV appeals. Not because of anything other than that they were groundless.
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Only stated by the person involved so your judgement in this matter is worthless
Quote: MDawgLooks like not the first time he has done this sort of thing, "appealed."
Dark Oz Suspension
Can you imagine too - the poor judge in any lawsuit where DarkOz represented himself?
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I had nothing to do with this one either.
Outcome for D.Oz - LOST / Ignored / No reversal.
He basically said "I am the Wizard and will not second guess anything I judge"
That is patently not the proper ruling for deciding right or wrong.
To out it another way, the Wizard's ruling could have been the most egregious wrong ruling in the history of the known universe and he would have let it stand.
So not an actual opinion of worth and yes, he lost some standing with me in that decision.
The real irony is you make a big deal that I never admit whe. I am wrong, then argue the Wizard's ruling that he never counterparts his decisions because they are always right without the need to even see why.
Pretty ironic
Quote: MDawgI have actually prevailed on one or two, and been owed suspension days.
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Quote: MDawgThe fact of the matter is that you've never gotten anywhere with any of these WOV appeals. Not because of anything other than that they were groundless.
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Quote: MDawgAu contraire.
Quote: MDawgI have actually prevailed on one or two, and been owed suspension days.
link to original postQuote: MDawgThe fact of the matter is that you've never gotten anywhere with any of these WOV appeals. Not because of anything other than that they were groundless.
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You should at least try to post something new instead of just quoting yourself
Quote: TigerWuWhat on earth is this thread about...LOL
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A very sad injustice.
Quote: MaxPenI think it is simpler to just do the time and come back without a bunch of crying.
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Quote: MDawgAnother POV might be,
Quote: MaxPenI think it is simpler to just do the time and come back without a bunch of crying.
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No crying?!?
Sir, this is the Internet. It's where people go to complain about stupid crap.
That post was within the thread of one of your "appeals."
Quote: MDawgSo your "appeals" date back to 2018, eh? Or do they date back to before my time. And you still haven't managed to win even one of them?
That post was within the thread of one of your "appeals."
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Precisely.
If appeals are ignored based on the Wizard saying he will never over rule himself then appeals will always be lost.
Quote: MDawgAu contraire.
Quote: MDawgI have actually prevailed on one or two, and been owed suspension days.
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Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawgAu contraire.
Quote: MDawgI have actually prevailed on one or two, and been owed suspension days.
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Precisely.
In order to win an appeal the judge has to actually read the appeal.
Wizard has stated he won't even read my appeals because he never reverses himself.
You claim he has reversed himself in your cases. Which means he actually read them.
What is it called when one person sees favor with a judge that another person doesn't?
Starts with the letter B.
Quote: MDawgThe fact of the matter is that you've never gotten anywhere with any of these WOV appeals. Not because of anything other than that they were groundless.
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And how did you do in real court with your lawsuit against the casino, the one where you paid Wizard to appear.
Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawgThe fact of the matter is that you've never gotten anywhere with any of these WOV appeals. Not because of anything other than that they were groundless.
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And how did you do in real court with your lawsuit against the casino, the one where you paid Wizard to appear.
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And what is your record on trials?
I have had two trials my whole life. Won one, lost one. (Well, one was thrown out in my favor day of trial)
How many trials have you lost in your lifetime?
Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgQuote: MDawgThe fact of the matter is that you've never gotten anywhere with any of these WOV appeals. Not because of anything other than that they were groundless.
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And how did you do in real court with your lawsuit against the casino, the one where you paid Wizard to appear.
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And what is your record on trials?
I have had two trials my whole life. Won one, lost one. (Well, one was thrown out in my favor day of trial)
How many trials have you lost in your lifetime?
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Can't wait for that answer.
tuttigym
Quote: MDawgAu contraire.
Quote: MDawgI have actually prevailed on one or two, and been owed suspension days.
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Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawgAu contraire.
Quote: MDawgI have actually prevailed on one or two, and been owed suspension days.
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It was a simple question any attorney should be able to answer.
How many trials have you lost lifetime?
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His appeal was patently absurd, poorly reasoned and dismissed out of hand by the Wizard, and rightly so. If you dare to wade through this thread there are references to other times in the WOV past he has tried to "appeal" and been shot down.
He is also in the wrong with his interpretations of the fake video that has nothing to do with Caesars.
The real question is how to correlate how he has been so frequently wrong about these sorts of things and been so intent on presenting absurdly wrong conclusions and analysis, with his claimed ability to get over on casinos. What he does have going for him is dogged determination and refusal to back down even when pointedly in the wrong, so maybe the point is that anyone who tries enough times and doesn't give up may get something accomplished.
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They may not know the facts.
They may be embarrassed about the facts.
I could say more reasons but I don't want to be insulting
Quote: MDawgLooks like not the first time he has done this sort of thing, "appealed."
Dark Oz Suspension
Can you imagine too - the poor judge in any lawsuit where DarkOz represented himself?
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I know if I was a hugely successful lawyer who liked to brag about my success I would be bragging about my trial wins.
Doesn't even have to be batting a thousand. Winning 58 out of 70 would be impressive.
But if I was a lousy trial lawyer with a very poor record, I know I would be very quiet on the subject.
Just saying that's me. How I would be posting IF I was a hugely successful lawyer.
Quote: billryanGood lawyers win at trial. Great lawyers don't go to trial.
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Nice try but great lawyers would point that out, not remain quiet and repost entries from upthread like the cat got it's tongue.
Quote: MaxPenI think it is simpler to just do the time and come back without a bunch of crying.
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Quote: billryanGood lawyers win at trial. Great lawyers don't go to trial.
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I read where the vast majority of lawyers never litigate. I believe that number was around 85%.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: billryanGood lawyers win at trial. Great lawyers don't go to trial.
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I read where the vast majority of lawyers never litigate. I believe that number was around 85%.
tuttigym
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90% of criminal cases never go to trial. Usually by the time someone is arrested and charged, everyone knows they're guilty and there's plenty of evidence for it, so they just plea bargain to avoid some prison time, and the prosecutors still get to chalk up a win.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: tuttigymQuote: billryanGood lawyers win at trial. Great lawyers don't go to trial.
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I read where the vast majority of lawyers never litigate. I believe that number was around 85%.
tuttigym
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90% of criminal cases never go to trial. Usually by the time someone is arrested and charged, everyone knows they're guilty and there's plenty of evidence for it, so they just plea bargain to avoid some prison time, and the prosecutors still get to chalk up a win.
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I'd guess that 90% of lawyers' work is unrelated to trials. Most lawyers aren't criminal defense attorneys.
He could have made them up page. He didn't in relation to my question how many trials has he won.
And that was in relation to his ASKING ME about my single trial outcome which he already knows the answer to.
In fact I was very upfront about the outcome of that case devoting a whole thread to it. So his asking for my outcome at trial was unnecessary.
But since he brought it up I think it's a fair question to ask about his record of wins and losses at trials.
And it's telling he doesn't want to respond IMHO.
Quote: billryanIt is very telling, but not in the way you seem to think it is.
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Oh stop with the BS non-statements. MDawg is one of the most vocal people on here.
His silence is a statement. And it's a statement that means exactly what it "seems to mean" and what I "seem to think it means""
The fix was in
Quote: terapinedBottom line
The fix was in
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You say that as if it were a bad thing.
Quote: billryanQuote: terapinedBottom line
The fix was in
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You say that as if it were a bad thing.
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It is what it is
No way I was doing the challenge
It was suspicious and a very fishy offer
Frankly, it smelled scam
I didn't lose money
My opinion, the fix was in
I've won and lost money on bets here but the fix was never in so its all good for me
I lead a unique life. If somebody doesn't believe me, I really don't care. I'm not gonna try to scam money off somebody that doesn't believe me. That's disgusting in my book
Quote: terapinedQuote: billryanQuote: terapinedBottom line
The fix was in
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You say that as if it were a bad thing.
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It is what it is
No way I was doing the challenge
It was suspicious and a very fishy offer
Frankly, it smelled scam
I didn't lose money
My opinion, the fix was in
I've won and lost money on bets here but the fix was never in so its all good for me
I lead a unique life. If somebody doesn't believe me, I really don't care. I'm not gonna try to scam money off somebody that doesn't believe me. That's disgusting in my book
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You might ne confusing the MDawg challenge with the Coaches challenge initiated by MDawg because he felt insulted by a statement I made.
The coaches challenge is what this thread is about and is Mike insisting I prove the validity of a statement made.
I proved what was asked and then he said I didn't prove something that was only implied and I got suspended.
Then I appealed the validity of being asked to prove something that was only implied and not explicitly asked and the Wizard said he won't even read that because his decisions are always correct.
There wasn't any money involved in this at all.
Quote: terapinedQuote: billryanQuote: terapinedBottom line
The fix was in
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You say that as if it were a bad thing.
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It is what it is
No way I was doing the challenge
It was suspicious and a very fishy offer
Frankly, it smelled scam
I didn't lose money
My opinion, the fix was in
I've won and lost money on bets here but the fix was never in so its all good for me
I lead a unique life. If somebody doesn't believe me, I really don't care. I'm not gonna try to scam money off somebody that doesn't believe me. That's disgusting in my book
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What makes that unique?
Quote: billryanQuote: terapinedQuote: billryanQuote: terapinedBottom line
The fix was in
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You say that as if it were a bad thing.
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It is what it is
No way I was doing the challenge
It was suspicious and a very fishy offer
Frankly, it smelled scam
I didn't lose money
My opinion, the fix was in
I've won and lost money on bets here but the fix was never in so its all good for me
I lead a unique life. If somebody doesn't believe me, I really don't care. I'm not gonna try to scam money off somebody that doesn't believe me. That's disgusting in my book
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What makes that unique?
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30 Dead and Co shows at the Sphere not working the event.
I may be the only one
I did talk to the Shakedown shuttle driver
She made it into 27 shows but she worked the event
Quote: billryanIt is very telling, but not in the way you seem to think it is.
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Somebody seems to get it.
The main point of all this was that D.Oz's "legal theories" and "appeals" at WOV are utterly groundless. Beyond groundless, completely devoid of any legal merit other than in a free wheeling Marx Brothers way. And absurdly verbose to boot.
Beyond that, his "evidence" offered to try to win the Coach's Challenge in the first place was dispatchable at a glance. Which is why he was immediately convicted and WOV jailed as soon as he rested his case.
I think it could safely be said that none of this could even survive the laugh test.
I wrote all of the above, now. But, silence pretty much said the same thing. And will continue to do so.
Quote: terapinedQuote: billryanQuote: terapinedBottom line
The fix was in
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You say that as if it were a bad thing.
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It is what it is
No way I was doing the challenge
It was suspicious and a very fishy offer
Frankly, it smelled scam
I didn't lose money
My opinion, the fix was in
I've won and lost money on bets here but the fix was never in so its all good for me
I lead a unique life. If somebody doesn't believe me, I really don't care. I'm not gonna try to scam money off somebody that doesn't believe me. That's disgusting in my book
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What are you talking about?
Quote: MDawgQuote: billryanIt is very telling, but not in the way you seem to think it is.
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Somebody seems to get it.
The main point of all this was that D.Oz's "legal theories" and "appeals" at WOV are utterly groundless. Beyond groundless, completely devoid of any legal merit other than in a free wheeling Marx Brothers way. And absurdly verbose to boot.
Beyond that, his "evidence" offered to try to win the Coach's Challenge in the first place was dispatchable at a glance. Which is why he was immediately convicted and WOV jailed as soon as he rested his case.
I think it could safely be said that none of this could even survive the laugh test.
I wrote all of the above, now. But, silence pretty much said the same thing. And will continue to do so.
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It doesn't really matter.
You see I know something about the truth regardless of your refusal to answer the question posed.
