Mount Airy Casino Requires Player Card and Play for Beverages
They've implemented a new policy that in order to get a complimentary beverage, you MUST have a player's card and have it inserted in a slot machine or logged in at a table showing some play accumulated. Now I understand why this has been done and it makes sense considering all the vagrants and bus people that mooch free alcohol and never play a penny.
But when I'm clearly sitting at a table with chips on the felt and I ask for a beer, I don't need to be hassled with questions like "Are you registered?" and "what's your name?" as they waste endless seconds looking for the card info on their company provided I Phone 4. Only to be told "I can't find the name" and I have to point and tell them "Look he's holding my card!" Only to be told by them, "I'll come back and if you're registered by then you can have a drink!"
What a bad way to handle something that is so easy to fix, but alas Mt. Airy has let me down numerous times and this is just another one on the list.
Quote: BedWetterBetterI used to be a regular at Mt. Airy Casino in the Poconos, however recent events have made me my take my play elsewhere and avoid them whenever possible. Unfortunately, yesterday I was in the area for a Super Bowl party and after the most boring SB bowl game ever, I sauntered over to Mt. Airy as it was 30 mins away from his house.
They've implemented a new policy that in order to get a complimentary beverage, you MUST have a player's card and have it inserted in a slot machine or logged in at a table showing some play accumulated. Now I understand why this has been done and it makes sense considering all the vagrants and bus people that mooch free alcohol and never play a penny.
But when I'm clearly sitting at a table with chips on the felt and I ask for a beer, I don't need to be hassled with questions like "Are you registered?" and "what's your name?" as they waste endless seconds looking for the card info on their company provided I Phone 4. Only to be told "I can't find the name" and I have to point and tell them "Look he's holding my card!" Only to be told by them, "I'll come back and if you're registered by then you can have a drink!"
What a bad way to handle something that is so easy to fix, but alas Mt. Airy has let me down numerous times and this is just another one on the list.
Wait until they surround you with 7 security guards behind the table to 86 you. Lets see how you really feel about them when that happens. That place is a sweat shop. I ran well vs them in a short span which didn't help the cause, but they're idiots.
Maybe it was the overwhelming stench of cigarettes.
Mount Airy just always seemed second rate to me.
Does the card have to be yours?
Dog Hand
Quote: DogHandBedWetterBetter,
Does the card have to be yours?
Dog Hand
Using another persons card would not eliminate the inconvenience of them checking to see if significant play qualifies him for a drink
What they need to do is automate it. So the card in the machine allows a person to call a beverage girl after x amount of play
At live tables they should just be more reliant on the dealer or pitboss saying its ok
https://www.philly.com/business/pgcb-fines-mount-airy-casino-k-alcohol-policy-violation-drunk-driver-fatality-20190206.html
Looks like they are trying to monitor everyone's alcohol consumption, hence the need for the players card.
Quote: DogHandBedWetterBetter,
Does the card have to be yours?
Dog Hand
Sorry for the late response, but I can now answer your question confidently. Yes, the card must be yours as they are monitoring the habits of each patron and recording them in their system.
So should you give another player card that does not belong to you and they find you using another player card(whether yours or not) they will ID you on the spot and lock your info & description to ONE card.
I was a little surprised they did this to me as I have been a loyal patron of Mount Airy for 10 years and NEVER had a drinking/cheating/security issue with them. I asked them is this because I reported to them to the Better Business Bureau and they had no idea what I was talking about. But I suspect that someone there was told to keep a close eye one my gaming activities.
Quote: BedWetterBetterQuote: DogHandBedWetterBetter,
Does the card have to be yours?
Dog Hand
Sorry for the late response, but I can now answer your question confidently. Yes, the card must be yours as they are monitoring the habits of each patron and recording them in their system.
So should you give another player card that does not belong to you and they find you using another player card(whether yours or not) they will ID you on the spot and lock your info & description to ONE card.
I was a little surprised they did this to me as I have been a loyal patron of Mount Airy for 10 years and NEVER had a drinking/cheating/security issue with them. I asked them is this because I reported to them to the Better Business Bureau and they had no idea what I was talking about. But I suspect that someone there was told to keep a close eye one my gaming activities.
You cant AP sober?
Im not trying to be funny. Can you AP using other people's cards and just not order a drink? You only get tripped up (linked physically to the card) when ordering?
i dont remember seeing any ocean, desert, beetle or firecracker games.
just a handful of Ult X's by the entrance and a couple by the high limit room.
Quote: darkozQuote: BedWetterBetterQuote: DogHandBedWetterBetter,
Does the card have to be yours?
Dog Hand
Sorry for the late response, but I can now answer your question confidently. Yes, the card must be yours as they are monitoring the habits of each patron and recording them in their system.
So should you give another player card that does not belong to you and they find you using another player card(whether yours or not) they will ID you on the spot and lock your info & description to ONE card.
I was a little surprised they did this to me as I have been a loyal patron of Mount Airy for 10 years and NEVER had a drinking/cheating/security issue with them. I asked them is this because I reported to them to the Better Business Bureau and they had no idea what I was talking about. But I suspect that someone there was told to keep a close eye one my gaming activities.
You cant AP sober?
Im not trying to be funny. Can you AP using other people's cards and just not order a drink? You only get tripped up (linked physically to the card) when ordering?
A) Their drinks are so watered down, you couldn't get drunk if you tried! I don't drink beer, but I hear it's either warm, flat or both!
B) Yes, in fact I do use free slot play from other cards to start my sessions there and anything else I make is gravy. My last run resulted in over $500 worth of profit, all started from the slot play on different player cards.
C) The error is on the waitress more than the floor staff, the waitress uses the company I phone 4 to see if you are "registered" at the table and puts a drink order on the card. If you change cards or order multiple drinks in an hour, they will then notify management who inform you that you are cut off or need to wait an hour for a drink.
Anyway, it's done and over with, so I can't go into detail about their absurd rules of table games and drink service. I'm sure they will realize the error of their ways when they see their profits decline.
Mt. Airy now has "Beverage Managers" confiscate cards from players who try to use different cards to get alcoholic beverages at the table. These managers are glorified doormen and women who have no use other than to bother people trying to have a good time while losing their money.
They started doing this at the buffet with the cashier keeping any card that is old or is given by someone who fails to provide ID. I'm not sure the legality of that as the card is still belongs to that person until they willingly surrender it. Since when is a Buffet line cashier enough of an authority to rescind the offers and privileges? If you argue with them, they tell you go to the rewards center and get a new one.
I really don't like this take no prisoners approach from Mt. Airy, you should get a warning not to use a card or offer and if you continue to do it, THEN they should have the right to take the card. I realize it says on the back of the card "Management has the right to take back a player's card or rescind any offer made", but a Buffet cashier is not management IMO.
Quote: BedWetterBetter*******UPDATE********
Mt. Airy now has "Beverage Managers" confiscate cards from players who try to use different cards to get alcoholic beverages at the table. These managers are glorified doormen and women who have no use other than to bother people trying to have a good time while losing their money.
They started doing this at the buffet with the cashier keeping any card that is old or is given by someone who fails to provide ID. I'm not sure the legality of that as the card is still belongs to that person until they willingly surrender it. Since when is a Buffet line cashier enough of an authority to rescind the offers and privileges? If you argue with them, they tell you go to the rewards center and get a new one.
I really don't like this take no prisoners approach from Mt. Airy, you should get a warning not to use a card or offer and if you continue to do it, THEN they should have the right to take the card. I realize it says on the back of the card "Management has the right to take back a player's card or rescind any offer made", but a Buffet cashier is not management IMO.
Why are you risking your "play" using other cards for buffets and drinks?
Furthermore any employee there has been empowered by management so the smallprint would hold up. Your reading of the words to the strictest interpretation (management means managers only) would be lovely but wont work in a real world situation
Sweat the Booze,
And put up a sign about only two mints per person next to that bowl at the restaurant's cashier.
places like that are not worth it.
Perhaps, but I'm not so sure.Quote: billryanI think the cards are the property of the company and can be taken back
Lets say you have a card collection would that mean all the casinos own your card collection? Perhaps they can use that and get a warrant to come into your house if they know you have a bunch of their cards?
Quote: AxelWolfPerhaps, but I'm not so sure.
Lets say you have a card collection would that mean all the casinos own your card collection? Perhaps they can use that and get a warrant to come into your house if they know you have a bunch of their cards?
Agreed
They have the wording but imo since they have the power to deactivate remotely any players card the actual demand for possession to be relinquished would make any legal demand worthless
With the flick of a switch they could leave you holding worthless plastic so why make any enforceable demand for the physical cards
Quote: darkozWhy are you risking your "play" using other cards for buffets and drinks?
Furthermore any employee there has been empowered by management so the smallprint would hold up. Your reading of the words to the strictest interpretation (management means managers only) would be lovely but wont work in a real world situation
Simple, Monday and Tuesday are Free Buffet day at Mt. Airy and each player's card is entitled to ONE free pass. So if I choose to go once in the afternoon and once again at night, it would be wise to use the free passes. Especially if I have the ID for one of them and can provide it if they ask for it. Normally, they don't ask for ID if you show them the player card that matches the name on the Pass.
What I don't agree with is them ordering you to surrender the card for using the buffet pass and refusing to return it as if they have the right to keep it as Cashiers. They use the excuse, "I'm just doing my job, you can get a new card at the Rewards Center" But that is just another hassle as lines are generally longer on free giveaway days.
I just feel they should give you a warning or put up a sign that says 'Using an older card will result in forfeiture of that card for Free Buffet Vouchers'
The drinks are just gravy as they have no affect on my abilities and used to draw heat away from me. Now, they are in Big Brother mode by monitoring everything you wager, drink, redeem and how often you do it with certain player cards.
Quote: AxelWolfPerhaps, but I'm not so sure.
Lets say you have a card collection would that mean all the casinos own your card collection? Perhaps they can use that and get a warrant to come into your house if they know you have a bunch of their cards?
I know at CET properties they Red Flag Diamond & Seven Star player cards and are alerted when the card is used on a machine or table.
I once found a Diamond card laying beside a machine and kept it for free parking at Caesars AC. When I was playing a cold slot machine, I figured I would use this card and play a few spins. Sure enough it led to a $100 win on the machine and I quickly removed the card and cashed the ticket right away. I went back to the machine bank and played with my card, soon enough a Slot Manager and Security guard confronted me and asked for ID. I showed them knowing what they would ask next and I denied using another players card on purpose.
I said I don't know anyone by that name and perhaps they left their card in the machine when I started playing. They told me that client was "red flagged" and I should read the message prompt for my name and info before playing next time. I said "No problem, bye!" And away they went!
Quote: BedWetterBetterI know at CET properties they Red Flag Diamond & Seven Star player cards and are alerted when the card is used on a machine or table.
I once found a Diamond card laying beside a machine and kept it for free parking at Caesars AC. When I was playing a cold slot machine, I figured I would use this card and play a few spins. Sure enough it led to a $100 win on the machine and I quickly removed the card and cashed the ticket right away. I went back to the machine bank and played with my card, soon enough a Slot Manager and Security guard confronted me and asked for ID. I showed them knowing what they would ask next and I denied using another players card on purpose.
I said I don't know anyone by that name and perhaps they left their card in the machine when I started playing. They told me that client was "red flagged" and I should read the message prompt for my name and info before playing next time. I said "No problem, bye!" And away they went!
I have used diamond cards that were not mine at CET and that is not my experience
I always use cards that have been given to me with permission
I suspect since you used the card you found and not with permission for free parking and also to make points with (this alone is egregious but I can't divulge why) you probably caused the owner of the card to complain and you caused the card to be flagged by your actions -- not because it was diamond specifically
And why would winning $100 trigger anything less suspicious than winning $10? Thats not a jackpot amount any casino is going to sweat
Quote: darkozI have used diamond cards that were not mine at CET and that is not my experience
I always use cards that have been given to me with permission
I suspect since you used the card you found and not with permission for free parking and also to make points with (this alone is egregious but I can't divulge why) you probably caused the owner of the card to complain and you caused the card to be flagged by your actions -- not because it was diamond specifically
And why would winning $100 trigger anything less suspicious than winning $10? Thats not a jackpot amount any casino is going to sweat
Didn't actually THAT card for Free parking, sorry if you misunderstood the story. I meant I hang on to Diamond cards and use them if I NEED to for free parking. I almost always take the bus down to AC for numerous reasons including the absurd parking rates for Gold and lower tier members.
I also did not say that the win prompted security to confront me. What I did say was "Diamond and Seven Star Members were Red Flagged by CET management and if a card is used there is slot attendant or host alerted to it for better or worse."
Free parking is a perk and is not deducted, tracked (regularly) or penalized for players who don't play a certain amount. The person in the booth doesn't even look at the name half the time and just makes sure it's a valid date and clears the swipe for the parking gate to go up!
Unless a player is diligently watching his tier and reward credit status, why would they complain about a random increases either? I know I wouldn't mine somebody playing on my card when I'm not at the casino and getting me free comps & tier credits.
Other than their ADT being affected, it can only help and if they are primarily table players, then any slot play would potentially help them. One play that I've noticed helps me is if you are losing a lot on a slot machine, switching player cards can net a quick hit or recover some of the losses, as it resets the RNG and provides new opportunity for a new player. But don't take my word for it, try it and see for yourself!
Quote: BedWetterBetterDidn't actually THAT card for Free parking, sorry if you misunderstood the story. I meant I hang on to Diamond cards and use them if I NEED to for free parking. I almost always take the bus down to AC for numerous reasons including the absurd parking rates for Gold and lower tier members.
I also did not say that the win prompted security to confront me. What I did say was "Diamond and Seven Star Members were Red Flagged by CET management and if a card is used there is slot attendant or host alerted to it for better or worse."
Free parking is a perk and is not deducted, tracked (regularly) or penalized for players who don't play a certain amount. The person in the booth doesn't even look at the name half the time and just makes sure it's a valid date and clears the swipe for the parking gate to go up!
Unless a player is diligently watching his tier and reward credit status, why would they complain about a random increases either? I know I wouldn't mine somebody playing on my card when I'm not at the casino and getting me free comps & tier credits.
Other than their ADT being affected, it can only help and if they are primarily table players, then any slot play would potentially help them. One play that I've noticed helps me is if you are losing a lot on a slot machine, switching player cards can net a quick hit or recover some of the losses, as it resets the RNG and provides new opportunity for a new player. But don't take my word for it, try it and see for yourself!
I use plenty of players cards. Switching cards does not affect the RNG
You understand ADT and think you are helping this person? You dont know his offers and he easily could have complained because his offers were negatively affected which may have flagged the card
You are not doing him a service with sporadic play
Quote: darkozI use plenty of players cards. Switching cards does not affect the RNG
You understand ADT and think you are helping this person? You dont know his offers and he easily could have complained because his offers were negatively affected which may have flagged the card
You are not doing him a service with sporadic play
If he's Seven Stars, a once or twice a year low ADT probably won't drastically affect his ADT. He will certainly play enough on his trips to erase those small wins that I get. Plus he would not know about it unless he watches his TR credits and Tier score daily, which I doubt he does.
Heck, I don't even bother with that useless info and just keep on grindin. I saw about 160 RC and 500 tier points show up this year and forgot about the Facebook giveaways for Total Rewards back in November. So nobody is really keeping track, except maybe YOU of course.
Quote: BedWetterBetterIf he's Seven Stars, a once or twice a year low ADT probably won't drastically affect his ADT. He will certainly play enough on his trips to erase those small wins that I get. Plus he would not know about it unless he watches his TR credits and Tier score daily, which I doubt he does.
Heck, I don't even bother with that useless info and just keep on grindin. I saw about 160 RC and 500 tier points show up this year and forgot about the Facebook giveaways for Total Rewards back in November. So nobody is really keeping track, except maybe YOU of course.
Regardless
I have no qualms attacking casinos thru AP play.
What you are doing is attacking another players "rating"
There can be no upside for you if you only get free parking which requires no play at that level
And why should this player have to erase any damage caused by you?
This is not AP play you are doing but reckless and pointless
Quote: darkozRegardless
I have no qualms attacking casinos thru AP play.
What you are doing is attacking another players "rating"
There can be no upside for you if you only get free parking which requires no play at that level
And why should this player have to erase any damage caused by you?
This is not AP play you are doing but reckless and pointless
Again, learn to read the entire paragraph before making wild assumptions. I never used or claim to have used the Seven Stars card for free parking, so therefore no harm, no foul!
I only played it in a machine that was cold, it churned out a small profit and I walked away before anyone was the wiser. Not too hard to comprehend, now is it?
Quote: BedWetterBetterAgain, learn to read the entire paragraph before making wild assumptions. I never used or claim to have used the Seven Stars card for free parking, so therefore no harm, no foul!
I only played it in a machine that was cold, it churned out a small profit and I walked away before anyone was the wiser. Not too hard to comprehend, now is it?
You are attacking his "rating"
WHY ARE YOU STICKING SOMEONE ELSE 7 STAR CARD IN SLOT MACHINES?
You clearly do not comprehend what you are doing. It has nothing to do with free parking
YOU SHOULD NOT BE STICKING SOMEONE ELSE 7 STAR CARD TO CHURN OUT A FEW POINTS WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION
Thats the issue. Dont deflect
Quote: BedWetterBetterAgain, learn to read the entire paragraph before making wild assumptions. I never used or claim to have used the Seven Stars card for free parking, so therefore no harm, no foul!
I only played it in a machine that was cold, it churned out a small profit and I walked away before anyone was the wiser. Not too hard to comprehend, now is it?
Why are you screwing this random stranger ? You claim no benefit but you are hurting his offers. Why?
Quote: billryanWhy are you screwing this random stranger ?
Nice choice of words, Freudian slip perhaps?
Why do you care about some "Random Stranger"? Or did you already answer the question with your previous response?
Quote: darkozYou are attacking his "rating"
WHY ARE YOU STICKING SOMEONE ELSE 7 STAR CARD IN SLOT MACHINES?
You clearly do not comprehend what you are doing. It has nothing to do with free parking
YOU SHOULD NOT BE STICKING SOMEONE ELSE 7 STAR CARD TO CHURN OUT A FEW POINTS WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION
Thats the issue. Dont deflect
Or I could be adding to it with slot play on $1 and $5 machines? Who are you to judge?
You clearly do not comprehend reading an entire statement and instead use select parts and piece your conclusion together mistakenly.
Again, it could help him with additional slot play on top of what he does elsewhere. If it were something he was truly concerned with, he would have reported it. The lesson is, don't leave your card in a machine without repercussions, whether positive or negative.
Quote: BedWetterBetterOr I could be adding to it with slot play on $1 and $5 machines? Who are you to judge?
You clearly do not comprehend reading an entire statement and instead use select parts and piece your conclusion together mistakenly.
Again, it could help him with additional slot play on top of what he does elsewhere. If it were something he was truly concerned with, he would have reported it. The lesson is, don't leave your card in a machine without repercussions, whether positive or negative.
I understand more than you think
Its not for you to "guess" if someones rating will be helped. As you said you dont know if its hurting it or not so why bother.
From your replies it seems you are only doing it to be malicious. To make the person have repercussions for leaving his card in a machine
I feel very strongly about battling casinos and NOT battling the ploppies
This is not trying vulture an UX for profit from a ploppie or battle for a high must-hit. This has no benefit to you aside from some twisted feel-good
Quote: darkozI understand more than you think
Its not for you to "guess" if someones rating will be helped. As you said you dont know if its hurting it or not so why bother.
From your replies it seems you are only doing it to be malicious. To make the person have repercussions for leaving his card in a machine
I feel very strongly about battling casinos and NOT battling the ploppies
This is not trying vulture an UX for profit from a ploppie or battle for a high must-hit. This has no benefit to you aside from some twisted feel-good
It has more "benefits" than you can even imagine. That is my business and coming from the person that posted "Hustling Tales" every other week, I would expect you to either respect it or mind your own business. We'll go with the latter.
How'd sharing your player card information with your relatives and in-laws treat you in the end? Don't you wish you could get that sense of security back? Maybe that is karma for some of your "hustles" and you should worry about that more than my dealings in gaming?
Quote: mcallister3200Ffs take it to pm or agree to disagree.
Not sure how any decent AP or even person could agree with what he is doing here. Oz has it 100% right on this one.
Quote: mcallister3200Ffs take it to pm or agree to disagree.
Yea, heaven forbid people on an internet message board have different opinions and debate them.
Ever hear of the block thread/user option? Or just plain ignoring it altogether? Sorry that OUR conversation disturbed YOU!
Quote: BozNot sure how any decent AP or even person could agree with what he is doing here. Oz has it 100% right on this one.
I don’t disagree boz just annoyed at reading it guess I could just block thread. and didn’t really read it that closely till now, sounds like a dumb thing to do. One thing to take a card already in a machine and use it for parking on way out that day, a whole other level if potentially triggering a new day on a card laying around or using days later etc.
Quote: mcallister3200I don’t disagree boz just annoyed at reading it guess I could just block thread. and didn’t really read it that closely till now, sounds like a dumb thing to do. One thing to take a card already in a machine and use it for parking on way out that day, a whole other level if potentially triggering a new day on a card laying around or using days later etc.
Maybe you should read closer and retain some of the actual content? I said I kept the card "in case" I needed it for Free Parking. Never actually used it for that purpose, I take the bus down to AC nearly every time I go. And if you knew about High Tier cards, they have a picture of the actual player on it so that parking attendant or whomever can verify the user right away. But I wouldn't expect you to pick up on small things like that.
Not always the case.I never have had my picture on my 7star card or any other high level card, its an option.Quote: BedWetterBetterAnd if you knew about High Tier cards, they have a picture of the actual player on it so that parking attendant or whomever can verify the user right away.
Quote: BedWetterBetterMaybe you should read closer and retain some of the actual content? I said I kept the card "in case" I needed it for Free Parking. Never actually used it for that purpose, I take the bus down to AC nearly every time I go. And if you knew about High Tier cards, they have a picture of the actual player on it so that parking attendant or whomever can verify the user right away. But I wouldn't expect you to pick up on small things like that.
Keep digging. You'll eventually dig your your way out.
Quote: BedWetterBetter
Other than their ADT being affected, it can only help
That's the ultimate, "So other than that what did you think of the play Ms Lincoln?"
Don't use other player's cards for anything without permission.
You can't put their card in with out their permission, that's player's club grape.
Quote: billryanKeep digging. You'll eventually dig your your way out.
Keep grasping, eventually you grab a straw!
