terapined
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November 5th, 2015 at 1:41:13 PM permalink
Quote: HeySlick

terapined said:

Wasn't this all said in the late 50's concerning Rock-n-Roll
Now you have guys like Huckabee, hard core Christian conservative, playing bass with rocker Ten Nugent
30 years from now we may have a President that grew up on hip-hop
Its just music
When I heard White Rabbit the 1st time, I did not go out and do tons of drugs
Hip-hop is just music. Much ado about nothing




IMO The paragraph below from the article I posted earlier really describes my true sentiments regarding the messages within a lot of so called music i.e., rap and in particular gangster rap --- destroying the minds of some of our impressionable black youth.


Hip-hop is not just a style of music. It is a culture borne of poor, inner-city life in America that has evolved into the rallying cry of those unable to negotiate the nuances of the mainstream. It now serves to glorify formerly stigmatized characteristics of the lower class, preventing the impetus for upward mobility.



This is all absurd
Rock n roll , rap, heavy metal, hip-hop, grunge ect
Its just music
Has nothing to do with reality
Regular people have the ability to separate reality from the fantasies sung about
I love violent movies, the more deaths the more I enjoy it. Lots of blood and gore, I'm there.
Yet I walk out of the theater and have no urge to hurt anybody.
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"
teddys
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November 5th, 2015 at 2:31:21 PM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

Loved that movie, saw it probably close to ten years ago. Absolutely well done, though it had quite the disturbing parts to it. For the time at least.

A Clockwork Orange and 2001: A Space Odyssey are on Netflix right now. Watch them while you can.
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777
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November 5th, 2015 at 3:05:59 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Here's a wonderful example of why you can't trust police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtNvxZ9yCcI




Police corruption/misconduct is a big issue, but a bigger issue is the subsequent cover up of their misconduct by their colleagues and their courtroom "buddy" prosecutor & judge.

One way for the police to rebuild the public trust is to establish a check and balance system where all of their misconducts be investigated by an INDEPENDENT OUT SIDE AGENCY. The check and balance process will make law enforcement think twice about applying excessive force, planting evidence and covering for their colleagues’ misconduct.

Love triumphs all. And with love, kindness and power of persuasion, the use of force is not necessary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsUlGPV01CM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sfyCJvyomA&list=PLF87614CD66FBA1A7
Dodsferd
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November 5th, 2015 at 3:32:42 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

A Clockwork Orange and 2001: A Space Odyssey are on Netflix right now. Watch them while you can.



I torrent everything I watch. Netflix never interested me, though my girlfriend likes using it. The Canadian version that we have is garbage in comparison, or so I'm told.
This feeling is heavy, makes my body ache and I'm ready; To fall into the sky and I see now, the reason why. My heart is heavy, takes me to a place I can't breathe. Only then I know why I see the warning sign.
AxelWolf
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November 5th, 2015 at 5:11:12 PM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

I torrent everything I watch. Netflix never interested me, though my girlfriend likes using it. The Canadian version that we have is garbage in comparison, or so I'm told.

If you miss A Clockwork Orange you're not missing anything IMO. It's an acquired taste.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Dodsferd
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November 5th, 2015 at 5:15:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If you miss A Clockwork Orange you're not missing anything IMO. It's an acquired taste.



Oh that's alright. In my previous post, I indicated that I watched it ~10 years ago. Saw it on DVD or VHS at the time. Was told by a friend that it was a great movie, and that's it. I was quite surprised at the content, though I did think it was a decent movie overall.

Still a fairly interesting message regarding youth and violence.
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darkoz
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November 5th, 2015 at 10:18:01 PM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

Oh that's alright. In my previous post, I indicated that I watched it ~10 years ago. Saw it on DVD or VHS at the time. Was told by a friend that it was a great movie, and that's it. I was quite surprised at the content, though I did think it was a decent movie overall.

Still a fairly interesting message regarding youth and violence.



Some tidbits about A Clockwork Orange.

The film was originally rated X. Stanley Kubrick had to do several trims to get it to an R rating.

The original book by Anthony Burgess is slightly autobiographical. He and his wife were attacked in their home by four youths. His wife was raped and subsequently miscarried. The men who attacked her were soldiers in uniform hence the white uniforms worn by the teenagers.

The book is told from the point of view of the main character and is almost entirely spoken/written in the twisted language (Nadsat) of the teenagers which is an English/Russian morphing. A good example is the word Horrorshow. The characters call every violent beating they perform as being horrorshow which is from the Russian word Khorosho for Good.

In the worldwide version of the book, there is an additional chapter from the American version (20 chapters in America, 21 everywhere else.) Burgess purposefully made it 21 chapters as that is almost universally accepted as adulthood. In the 21st chapter, the main character realizes on his own what pain his actions have caused and he goes onto get a job and become a model citizen, his violent transgressions burnt out of his system. The American publisher thought that was unrealistic, that criminals will be criminals and deleted the final chapter from publication.

Although Stanley Kubrick lived in England, he first read the American version and subsequently directed the film with it ending like that version. Most people around the world familiar with the book wonder why Kubrick (who follows the book quite closely) didn't elect to finish the narrative.

Kubrick chose to make the main character a non-descript age that appears to be old enough to be adult possibly. In the book, he is absolutely described as being fifteen years old. Also, the scene where he makes love to two ADULT women in hi-speed to the William Tell Overture was a rape of two ten year olds in the book.

In case, you have not figured it out yet, the book is much more graphic and violently shocking than the movie. Kubrick actually toned it down.
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777
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April 29th, 2016 at 9:08:54 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Kids today can say the most vile, hurtful things. And yet corporal punishment is anathema in a modern culture? A little sharp pain is a good motivator. Spare the rod spoil the child. Nothing takes a sarcastic smirk off a young face like the woosh of a paddle.



A most recent study about spanking:
http://www.livescience.com/54591-spanking-makes-kids-defiant.html

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