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dlksinaz
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July 8th, 2014 at 6:00:16 PM permalink
Hi everyone. This is not a Bovada rant, but I trusted Michael's statistics and gaming expertise enough to join Bovada because of this site (against all of the rigged BlackJack reviews). I wanted some BlackJack practice and have used the Wizard's free game quite a bit. I do only use Basic Strategy and feel that something is not quite right with Bovada.

Sure, they use a certified RNG, but that doesn't deal the cards, it only generates random values for each card and these are run through an algorithm that could be adjusted for the time of day, number of players online, player betting amounts, etc. I am not saying they are or accusing them of anything, just that something doesn't feel right.

I have no proof that Bovada is using a complex algorithm to manipulate cards, but I have noticed certain times of the day (usually busier times) are beat down times with unrealistic dealer cards. To prove this, I have started recording every card dealt, play strict basic strategy and have noticed that evenings, weekends or before dinner time seem to be the worst beat down times. Playing during the day or work hours (when off work) yields much better hands and results.

I wanted to share with everyone the cards I was dealt when logging online this evening on the Flash 21 game. The Dealer got 4 (21s) and one BlackJack in 9 hands. He won 7 out of 9 and if I had been playing for more than a dollar or two, would have been screwed. I quit after 9 hands because it was futile. Can anyone else (Michael would great) let me know if this seems okay? I realize I need tens of thousands of hands to prove this, but it only appears to be certain times of day - very strange. All comments welcome. Thank you.

Bovada 21 BlackJack Played this Evening - Beat 7 out of first 9 Hands and Quit:

Dealer MyCards DealerFinal MyFinal Winner Result Amount Won/Lost Notes
4 5,5 4,9,8 (21) 5,5,6 Dealer 21 to 16 -$2.00 Dealer 21 with a 4 and Doubled Down on my 10
7 5,3 7,9,2 5,3,4,9 (21) Me 21 to 18 $1.00 Me Win - 21
A,Q (BlackJack) 3,J A,Q (BlackJack) 3,J Dealer Dealer BlackJack -$1.00 Dealer BlackJack
2 J,6 2,8,6,9 J,6 Me Dealer Bust $1.00 Me Win - Dealer Bust on a 2
Q 4,5 Q,3,3,3 4,5,8 Dealer 19 to 17 -$1.00
9 2,3 9,2,10 (21) 2,3,K,A,3 Dealer 21 to 19 -$1.00 Dealer 21
7 3,K 7,6 3,K,2,8 Dealer Me Bust -$1.00
4 2,Q 4,A,6 (21) 2,Q Dealer 21 to 12 -$1.00 Dealer 21 with a 4 again
5 10,8 5,2,4,10(21) 10,8 Dealer 21 to 18 -$1.00 Dealer 21 with a 5 (5 out of 9 hands a Dealer 21)
AxiomOfChoice
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July 8th, 2014 at 6:01:26 PM permalink
Seriously? You've collected stats for 9 hands?
dlksinaz
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July 8th, 2014 at 6:07:37 PM permalink
No, I have collected several hundred so far and certain times of day they are consistently bad, like tonight. I just posted the most recent when I quit after 9 hands. I don't feel like posting them all in the thread, but it is a work in progress.
dlksinaz
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July 8th, 2014 at 6:09:27 PM permalink
Probably just what the RNG is kicking out at different times of day.
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July 8th, 2014 at 6:24:15 PM permalink
Quote: dlksinaz

No, I have collected several hundred so far and certain times of day they are consistently bad, like tonight. I just posted the most recent when I quit after 9 hands. I don't feel like posting them all in the thread, but it is a work in progress.



Just post summaries. Total number of wins and losses broken up into hour-long buckets.

BTW, there is no way that you are being cheated. And RNG does not "spit out" different numbers at different times of the day. This is all in your head.

Also, FWIW, a few hundred hands is nothing. Humans are very good at seeing patterns where none exist (it's an evolutionary thing) This is no different than someone who always seems to win when a certain dealer is dealing, or when his friend is around, or when he is wearing his lucky red shirt, or whatever.
dlksinaz
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July 8th, 2014 at 6:29:41 PM permalink
I am revising this post. I just went back online and the dealer busted 5 times in a row and I got my small bets back. I am convinced it goes in cycles and what appear to be time of day patterns are not in the millions of numbers generated.
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July 8th, 2014 at 6:51:17 PM permalink
I play bovada blackjack every week and I believe at this point I have enough sample size to say it's not rigged.
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July 8th, 2014 at 6:57:40 PM permalink
Quote: dlksinaz

I am revising this post. I just went back online and the dealer busted 5 times in a row and I got my small bets back. I am convinced it goes in cycles and what appear to be time of day patterns are not in the millions of numbers generated.



<troll> They probably saw your post, figured you were onto them, and let you win a few </troll>

No, but seriously...

Winning or losing 5 times in a row is expected to happen relatively often. If you always won one, lost one, and never had any streaks, that would be evidence that it was rigged. What you are seeing is normal fluctuations.
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July 8th, 2014 at 7:01:42 PM permalink
there was once a guy that lost the first 30 hands in a row so I would say anything is possible.
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AxiomOfChoice
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July 8th, 2014 at 7:02:17 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

there was once a guy that lost the first 30 hands in a row so I would say anything is possible.



That's nothing, did you hear about the 18 yo's in a row guy?
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July 8th, 2014 at 8:00:12 PM permalink
Five (or more) of 9 dealer totals of 21 or blackjack is about a 1 in 444 event for a 6 deck game. This should happen a decent amount.
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October 13th, 2014 at 8:43:15 AM permalink
I can't say if they alter it or not, I wouldn't know anything about that and I doubt anyone else would know unless it's a certain couple of people. Either way, you use your own judgment on that matter. I will say though that even on hand shuffle shoes I've ran into some horrible but down right amazing situations where the dealer a huge run of blackjacks and/or 21 point hands. It was insane, with that being said, it's a patented RNG most likely so your lucky it was just that, it could have been much worse.
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October 13th, 2014 at 11:21:39 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Five (or more) of 9 dealer totals of 21 or blackjack is about a 1 in 444 event for a 6 deck game. This should happen a decent amount.



I didn't realize that this was an old thread and saw your post as the first one on the screen. My mind was blow why you would ask this. Then I realized that it was page 2.

I have had many times in real tables with these streaks. I think when people play online they are assuming that it is rigged so when they get crushed like this they say, see it was rigged.
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October 13th, 2014 at 12:25:13 PM permalink
Obviously rigged. Been playing playing blackjack for over 50 years and have never lost more than 6 hands in a row.
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October 13th, 2014 at 1:04:22 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Obviously rigged. Been playing playing blackjack for over 50 years and have never lost more than 6 hands in a row.


You should be a billionaire with a Marty then.
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October 13th, 2014 at 3:06:25 PM permalink
Two many martinis, they why I lost !
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