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January 29th, 2014 at 8:19:07 AM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

So are you suggesting that a person can have two free weeks and if they aren't doing well can quit without any consequence? I don't like that idea at all.

Read the rules, make your picks, and pay up if you lose.



2 weeks at the LATEST. I'm speaking Greek this morning, I guess. I said in the original (MY take on what I said) was that when you sign up for something, you take responsibility for what you get into and the rules as they're stated, or you get clarification on the rules before you sign up, or you don't sign up.

Based on conversation before my input, I was also trying to say I could see a rule introduction that allowed an initial free play if the players wanted one, and gave an example using what Universities do.

It was a whole thinking-out-loud post, not particularly clearly written, sorry all. To be concise, I personally agree with your last statement.
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January 29th, 2014 at 8:22:01 AM permalink
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minnesotajoe
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January 29th, 2014 at 8:22:55 AM permalink
I will start my reply by stating, yes I should have read the rules.

For people saying I pulled out because 0-5 start, let me debunk this immediately. Yes, it is disadvantageous (in fact 0-5 is absolute worst start) but by no means is that immediate loss. Any player could go on streaks of going 3-2.. By no means was I completely down and out of the contest.

I also do NOT believe the organizer intended to "trick" people into gambling. I do believe that playing for money should have been more of a headline. Again, when I read it, I took it as guy wanted to have a friendly contest among the community. To keep active participation/interest he was going to throw in a 25$ gift card.. and in the event he won the contest he would give the gift card to 2nd place.

The winner was at 58%, right? Had a person gone 3-2 then stopped participating... not one person will pay the guy with 60% then quit. Conversely going 0-5 then bricking.. to expect payment would be having your cake and eating it too. Would there be a punishment for a player that went 3-2 and then stopped participating?
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Now I ask myself these questions:

1. How would I respond if I was the winner?
2. How would I respond as a person that fully understood the rules but did not participate in contest?
3. How would I respond if I was in contest, lost, and paid at least 10$ to the winner?
4. Had I played all 17 weeks and won, what would I have done?

1. Had I won, I can honestly say it would not upset me.... now lets say it was Week 10 and I was in strong contention to win and a player that was active all 10 weeks posts "hey I just realized this was for money, I didn't know....." I would roll my eyes and give a deep breath, but I wouldn't let it ruin my day.

2. My initial reaction would be, ok rules say pay.. but then see only did one week, would understand he didn't know.

3. If I lost, paid, then other people in the bet did not pay, I would be upset. When I make a wager I always have full intention on paying if I lose, nothing gets me more angry than making a wager, then other person stiffing. -- in this contest, I honestly did not know I was participating in a wager. To make an analogy, I feel as if I was on a basketball court, person told me that if I can make a basket the length of the floor I would win 25$..... So I take the shot, miss, then person tells me that since the ball didn't hit the backboard I owe 58$ - but had I hit the rim it only would have been 20$ that I owed.

4. Lets say that I played each week and ended up winning.. and it was only after I won after week 17 that I realized that this had been a money pool the entire time. I wouldn't have you all send me 10 cents, 1$, 5$... I WOULD want the 25$ gift card, but I wouldn't sweat over the other. I legitimately didn't know.
Beardgoat
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January 29th, 2014 at 8:26:35 AM permalink
Read the rules. Ita fairly simple. READ THE RULES and you'll have an answer to your questi
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Beardgoat
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January 29th, 2014 at 8:34:17 AM permalink
For the record i dont expect MJ to pay $58 and if i had won i wouldnt hold him to it. But i think it is lame to accuse mission of not using common sense when you are the one who admits to not reading all of the rules.
rdw4potus
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January 29th, 2014 at 8:36:17 AM permalink
Quote: minnesotajoe


Would there be a punishment for a player that went 3-2 and then stopped participating?



Yep.

"***Any player missing two weeks will have the option of EITHER forfeiting immediately or accepting a record of 0-5 for the second missed week. If the player misses a third week, the forfeit is automatic."
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MidwestAP
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January 29th, 2014 at 8:38:57 AM permalink
MJ, I appreciate you started this thread because you would have been easier on you to remain silent, not pay, and avoid the criticism you find here. And, I can even consider you just forgot to submit picks on weeks two and three and it wasn't an attempt to freeroll the contest.

What I'm having a more difficult time with is the arguement that you didn't read the rules and seemingly this excuses you from paying? In my past I've had situations where I didn't fully understand a the rules/options in a contest and it cost me. In those cases I sheepishly paid up and used it as a learning experience. It's also evident you did read the rules with the selection of a Confidence Pick. Therefore I find most of your arguements flawed.
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January 29th, 2014 at 8:40:53 AM permalink
It is pretty clear that MJ was out after week 4 with no picks registered after week 1.

If I had won the pool, I would have immediately put MJ in allowance for doubtful accounts as previously suggested......he basically didn't really participate.

One week, yeah 0-5 is a bad start and maybe he can't overcome that to win. But if he was really participating, you certainly can bring that 0-5 start up to a 500 record and know your downside is likely less than $10. I truly believe he didn't read the rules or understand what the pool was about and I wouldn't expect him to pay at the end for whatever that is worth.

I think I have a different answer if a player is 4-5 weeks in and is 7-18....but MJ basically put in one week's picks and the pool kind of slipped his mind and he didn't think there was much downside to that.

All that being said, MJ knows that he should have read the rules and understood what he was getting in to. I would suggest he come up with some $$ figure that he thinks is a fair penalty for not doing his reading and send it to Ayercrumba and we call this issue done.
rdw4potus
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January 29th, 2014 at 9:15:05 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm


One week, yeah 0-5 is a bad start and maybe he can't overcome that to win. But if he was really participating, you certainly can bring that 0-5 start up to a 500 record and know your downside is likely less than $10. I truly believe he didn't read the rules or understand what the pool was about and I wouldn't expect him to pay at the end for whatever that is worth.



I did this. I was 0-5 in week 1 and owed about $8 in the end.
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AcesAndEights
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January 29th, 2014 at 10:15:30 AM permalink
Quote: minnesotajoe


2. How would I respond as a person that fully understood the rules but did not participate in contest?


This describes me. If I were you, I would pay the $58 just for the sake of maintaining a good reputation on the forum, and be sure to read any contest rules closely before participating in the future.

If you didn't pay up, probably most of the forum members wouldn't call you an outright welcher and most would probably just let it slide and move on. But it wouldn't reflect well on you, and I'm sure some forum members would remember this incident.

I understand your complaint as the initial PM didn't state it was for money, and it probably should have. I'm guessing Mission will make that clear in any future picks contests. But you definitely should have read the full rules.

How much is $58 really? For most folks on this forum, I'm assuming it doesn't rate much on the pain scale (considering we are all gamblers). I don't know you or your situation, so if losing that money would impact your life, I would take it up with AyeCarumba and he will probably let you out without any hard feelings.

But I would just pay up. Interesting that AyeCarumba hasn't replied to this thread at all.
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