William Shatner refused autograph
August 14th, 2013 at 9:51:51 AM
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Hey all, long time lurker. New Member.
Kinda on topic since it is a Vegas board, about celebrities, and how they treat people. I met Karl "The Mailman" Malone at the exotic car test drive track in Vegas this year. To say that this man was one of the nicest celebrities I have ever met would be an understatement. He was there for his sons 18th birthday letting him test drive cars. We were hesitant to go up because we wanted to respect his privacy. But I'm so glad I did, even though at first I thought he was going to rip my head off, "What did you say to me" he grumbled. Then he told my friend that he should have played along. But we shot the breeze about his family, why he was there, Michael Jordan (this was a week before he left Michael off of his all time list) to which he replied to us "Michael Who?" all the while laughing, why my arms were scraped (I offered an answer and he says "Sure.....what happens in vegas, stays in vegas". It was 3-5 min of pure awesome. One thing I will remember for the rest of my life. I didn't ask for an autograph, but he took a picture with us three separately which was an added bonus.
He could have been rude, or declined gracefully as it would have been ok, because he was there for his son's birthday and was trying watch him drive. But that's what makes it even better, him being such a nice guy.
Celebrities need to realize how their actions, positive or negative can impact a person, young or old. And especially younger kids who look at them as role models.
Kinda on topic since it is a Vegas board, about celebrities, and how they treat people. I met Karl "The Mailman" Malone at the exotic car test drive track in Vegas this year. To say that this man was one of the nicest celebrities I have ever met would be an understatement. He was there for his sons 18th birthday letting him test drive cars. We were hesitant to go up because we wanted to respect his privacy. But I'm so glad I did, even though at first I thought he was going to rip my head off, "What did you say to me" he grumbled. Then he told my friend that he should have played along. But we shot the breeze about his family, why he was there, Michael Jordan (this was a week before he left Michael off of his all time list) to which he replied to us "Michael Who?" all the while laughing, why my arms were scraped (I offered an answer and he says "Sure.....what happens in vegas, stays in vegas". It was 3-5 min of pure awesome. One thing I will remember for the rest of my life. I didn't ask for an autograph, but he took a picture with us three separately which was an added bonus.
He could have been rude, or declined gracefully as it would have been ok, because he was there for his son's birthday and was trying watch him drive. But that's what makes it even better, him being such a nice guy.
Celebrities need to realize how their actions, positive or negative can impact a person, young or old. And especially younger kids who look at them as role models.
August 14th, 2013 at 11:34:36 AM
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Exactly!Quote: beerseasonCelebrities need to realize how their actions, positive or negative can impact a person, young or old. And especially younger kids who look at them as role models.
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August 14th, 2013 at 12:28:32 PM
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Quote: JBI just changed the thread title to something more neutral/journalistic.
Yes, that was good and if anyone wonders whose autograph Shatner was trying to get when he was refused one, they will at least know that he asked appropriately and took the refusal good naturedly.
By the way, there was not only an unwritten rule about you don't photograph Frank Sinatra when he doesn't want it but it was well known by doormen and the like they had darn well better chase down any papparazi and smash their cameras as well as doing some real damage to them if they wanted to keep their jobs. Bonus money for doing well and extra added stuff for taking any heat but you darn well had to sprint faster than that photographer or not come back to finish your shift.
August 14th, 2013 at 12:31:19 PM
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Many a Neanderthalic Football Star has grunted "I ain't no role model, I'm a vicious gladiator" and meant it yet their endorsement contracts provide a different perspective on their public lives. Its the same way with some noted females too. Privately they may be noted for non-stop "action" with anything female and almost anything male, but publicly they had darn well better be Doris Day types if they want to stay in the limelight.Quote: HotBlondeExactly!
Some females who have gone on Sex Tourism trips and enjoyed the experience immensely have later come acropper. Its too late to separate public and private lives sometimes. Females who have disappeared or been found dead after such trips seem to have case files that linger as "open". When women view men as fungible sex toys, the men don't help solve their disappearances/murders by even talking to the police.
If its a world of glamorous photographs and meaningless signatures... it can be a really empty world.
August 14th, 2013 at 12:31:45 PM
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Quote: beerseason
Celebrities need to realize how their actions, positive or negative can impact a person, young or old. And especially younger kids who look at them as role models.
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August 14th, 2013 at 12:32:42 PM
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In the early 1990s, I attended a conference featuring renowned Harvard paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould as the keynote speaker. He spoke for about 20 minutes and then did some Q&A. Before he launched into his lecture, he told the audience he did not want any photographs taken of him. Guess what? During the Q&A, someone took a photo. Gould went berserk. Apparently Harvard professors aren't used to being disobeyed, because Gould totally lost his cool.
Was the guy who took the photo out of line for ignoring Gould's request? Yeah, it was rude. But I thought Gould's tantrum reflected poorly upon his character. Unlike Wiliiam Shatner, Gould wasn't dining privately on his own time, off the clock. Gould was at a public function giving a speech to 200 people! In that context, it was unrealistic to expect any sort of privacy. Some guys just don't like cameras, but it's a weird quirk for a public figure.
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If Stephen Jay Gould hates cameras, his polar opposite would be Mr. Vain Prettyboy himself, Sen. John Edwards. Back in 2007, a friend of mine Joe was working at the Four Seasons Hotel in San Francisco. One day, he ran into John Edwards at the hotel. As it turned out, Joe was a huge fan of Edwards, he even had an Edwards bumper sticker on his car. Edwards was very friendly to Joe, he shook his hand and chatted with him for a couple minutes.
But there was something peculiar about Joe's meeting with Edwards. They ran into each other at the loading dock in the back of the hotel, by the dumpster. Huh? Even stranger, Edwards was completely alone: no security detail, no aides, no handlers, no briefcase, no bodyguards, and no reporters. Why would a former Vice Presidential nominee be hanging out alone by a hotel dumpster? It wasn't until months later that the strange details of Joe's encounter all added up: Edwards wasn't at the Four Seasons for a campaign fundraiser or political speech. He was sneaking into the hotel for a rendezvous with his mistress.
Was the guy who took the photo out of line for ignoring Gould's request? Yeah, it was rude. But I thought Gould's tantrum reflected poorly upon his character. Unlike Wiliiam Shatner, Gould wasn't dining privately on his own time, off the clock. Gould was at a public function giving a speech to 200 people! In that context, it was unrealistic to expect any sort of privacy. Some guys just don't like cameras, but it's a weird quirk for a public figure.
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If Stephen Jay Gould hates cameras, his polar opposite would be Mr. Vain Prettyboy himself, Sen. John Edwards. Back in 2007, a friend of mine Joe was working at the Four Seasons Hotel in San Francisco. One day, he ran into John Edwards at the hotel. As it turned out, Joe was a huge fan of Edwards, he even had an Edwards bumper sticker on his car. Edwards was very friendly to Joe, he shook his hand and chatted with him for a couple minutes.
But there was something peculiar about Joe's meeting with Edwards. They ran into each other at the loading dock in the back of the hotel, by the dumpster. Huh? Even stranger, Edwards was completely alone: no security detail, no aides, no handlers, no briefcase, no bodyguards, and no reporters. Why would a former Vice Presidential nominee be hanging out alone by a hotel dumpster? It wasn't until months later that the strange details of Joe's encounter all added up: Edwards wasn't at the Four Seasons for a campaign fundraiser or political speech. He was sneaking into the hotel for a rendezvous with his mistress.
August 14th, 2013 at 1:08:36 PM
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Quote: boymimboHOW Dare you!
Oh, it's easy. See: I didn't much care for Shatner on Star Trek. Face it, Kirk was a mimbo. When he actually used his brains, which was often, it seemed unnatural and forced. I liked Spock much more, he was always my favorite.
Like that. Nothing to it ;)
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August 14th, 2013 at 3:07:04 PM
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Well, you finally forced me to google "mimbo". The things I missed having to work evening shift when Seinfeld was on grows yet again....
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August 14th, 2013 at 3:24:17 PM
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Quote: NareedOh, it's easy. See: I didn't much care for Shatner on Star Trek. Face it, Kirk was a mimbo. When he actually used his brains, which was often, it seemed unnatural and forced. I liked Spock much more, he was always my favorite.
I don't think one character carries the show better than the main 3 together and their give and take. (Kirk, Spock, McCoy and substitute Scotty once in awhile)
I get every autograph. (I shave my head, sit in a wheelchair and carry a make-a-wish sign.)
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August 14th, 2013 at 7:42:15 PM
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Well, it could be the guy doesn't know how to write his name.
So you can't really blame him for not signing an autograph.
Maybe if you ask him to draw a circle for you he would do it.
(don't argue with me, there are too many people on this planet don't know how to write their own names.)
So you can't really blame him for not signing an autograph.
Maybe if you ask him to draw a circle for you he would do it.
(don't argue with me, there are too many people on this planet don't know how to write their own names.)
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August 14th, 2013 at 9:12:11 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffSome females who have gone on Sex Tourism trips and enjoyed the experience immensely have later come a cropper.
Quote: NareedFace it, Kirk was a mimbo.
Well, we've learned a British idiom, and been reminded of Seinfeld episode two decades ago.
Celebrities are entitled to some privacy in their lives. What may be 5 minutes to you is a lot to him when multiplied by a hundred people per day.
August 14th, 2013 at 11:54:31 PM
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What's this once in a lifetime crap? I don't understand why people brag about seeing stars or getting their autographs. They talk as if they are somehow better or cooler for it, as if they are now partly famous because of it. If Harrison ford says you look beautiful ok I get it, but if Chum Lee asks you to pass the ketchup, who cares?
By chance I have meet quite a few stars / celebrities and talked with them, just as I would any other person next to me, yet I have never asked for a autograph or a pic. If they were my friend I guess I might want a pic with them as I would any friend. I rib my GF once in a while because I know it annoys her if i meet or see someone famous. She claims she never sees or meets anyone famous.
I defiantly think it's rude and creepy to ask anyone for an autograph when they are out for dinner with friends or family.
I love when people say i finally got the courage to go up and ask for an autograph. Like you should be proud of them because they got courage. LOL
I think i may have wanted to be Bruce Lee when was a kid.
By chance I have meet quite a few stars / celebrities and talked with them, just as I would any other person next to me, yet I have never asked for a autograph or a pic. If they were my friend I guess I might want a pic with them as I would any friend. I rib my GF once in a while because I know it annoys her if i meet or see someone famous. She claims she never sees or meets anyone famous.
I defiantly think it's rude and creepy to ask anyone for an autograph when they are out for dinner with friends or family.
I love when people say i finally got the courage to go up and ask for an autograph. Like you should be proud of them because they got courage. LOL
I think i may have wanted to be Bruce Lee when was a kid.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 14th, 2013 at 11:56:52 PM
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You made me laugh out loud when you brought Chum Lee into the conversation. Perfect.
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August 15th, 2013 at 2:01:49 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfI don't understand why people brag about seeing stars or getting their autographs.
I think i may have wanted to be Bruce Lee when was a kid.
I'm like you, I'm not much of a picture or autograph guy either. But I do have to say that Bruce is one of the few people in the world whose autograph I definitely would have gotten. Like most boys, I idolized him growing up. I'll never forget that classic scene in Enter the Dragon where he tells that kid, "It's like a finger pointing away to the moon!"
And then he smacks the kid on the head because he was concentrating on the finger. (haha)
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August 15th, 2013 at 5:55:58 PM
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It's fascinating to see someone in person whom you've seen on television or in the movies. Especially if it's someone you followed throughout your life or have memories watching with your family and stuff like that. Some of these people become a part of your life and I don't see why there are those of you who find that odd.
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August 15th, 2013 at 6:02:10 PM
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Quote: HotBlondeIt's fascinating to see someone in person whom you've seen on television or in the movies. Especially if it's someone you followed throughout your life or have memories watching with your family and stuff like that. Some of these people become a part of your life and I don't see why there are those of you who find that odd.
I just seen Shattner in a news bite on television. He's at a Trekkie convention. I wonder if he's signing autographs.
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August 15th, 2013 at 6:17:59 PM
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Quote: NareedFace it, Kirk was a mimbo. When he actually used his brains... it seemed unnatural and forced.
Did anyone ever count how many times the plot revolved around Kirk talking a computer into believing it was insane and must destroy itself?
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August 15th, 2013 at 6:20:12 PM
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Quote: mickeycrimmI just seen Shattner in a news bite on television. He's at a Trekkie convention. I wonder if he's signing autographs.
At conventions he very likely charges per autograph.
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August 15th, 2013 at 6:39:38 PM
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sounds like pre stalkerish behavior (: http://forensiseuropa.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/2005_thestalkingofpublicfigures.pdfQuote: HotBlondeIt's fascinating to see someone in person whom you've seen on television or in the movies. Especially if it's someone you followed throughout your life or have memories watching with your family and stuff like that. Some of these people become a part of your life and I don't see why there are those of you who find that odd.
Jens M. Hoffmann,1 Ph.D. and Lorraine P. Sheridan,2 Ph.D.
What makes public figures a special target for obsessional individuals? Because they
are well known through the mass media (particularly television),
many consumers feel they have some sort of personal knowledge
of, or emotional proximity to, their favorite celebrity of other public
figure. Back in 1956, Horton and Wohl (1) introduced the notion
of a “para-social relationship” between screen characters and other
celebrities and those who view them. They suggested that the mass
media “give the illusion of face-to-face relationship with the performer” (p. 215) and that the performer and the audience are engaged in a “para-social interaction” based on the performer’s ability
to appear to adjust his or her performance in response to a supposed
audience response. A pathological aspect comes in when a person
feels that he or she has a special relationship with the public person
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 15th, 2013 at 6:51:27 PM
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Love Shatner, but he has a reputation from what I've heard regarding signing autographs on his personal time. Doesn't surprise me. If you are rich and famous, it can be annoying. Everyone wants a piece of you. Nevertheless, that is the price of being Captain Kirk. Buck up cause that's what celebrity status entails. Without your fans, you are nothing.
Sorry HotBlonde, I would have wanted an auto from him as well.
Sorry HotBlonde, I would have wanted an auto from him as well.
August 15th, 2013 at 7:03:08 PM
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August 15th, 2013 at 7:19:22 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfsounds like pre stalkerish behavior (: http://forensiseuropa.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/2005_thestalkingofpublicfigures.pdf
Jens M. Hoffmann,1 Ph.D. and Lorraine P. Sheridan,2 Ph.D.
What makes public figures a special target for obsessional individuals? Because they
are well known through the mass media (particularly television),
many consumers feel they have some sort of personal knowledge
of, or emotional proximity to, their favorite celebrity of other public
figure. Back in 1956, Horton and Wohl (1) introduced the notion
of a “para-social relationship” between screen characters and other
celebrities and those who view them. They suggested that the mass
media “give the illusion of face-to-face relationship with the performer” (p. 215) and that the performer and the audience are engaged in a “para-social interaction” based on the performer’s ability
to appear to adjust his or her performance in response to a supposed
audience response. A pathological aspect comes in when a person
feels that he or she has a special relationship with the public person
Some celebrities DO become a part of people's lives. Just because you see them on a screen and they're not standing physically in front of you doesn't make any difference. They are still a part of your life one way or another. If you think about it it's our relationships with other humans that make our lives fulfilled. And even if you haven't met someone in person yet that doesn't make a difference. Even Byron Katie says, "No two people have ever really met." Even when we have a physical relationship with someone they're still just a part of how our mind experiences them. That's true even after that person dies.
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August 15th, 2013 at 7:33:47 PM
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August 15th, 2013 at 7:34:45 PM
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This is all very simple. Shatner loathed the Kirk character
and he probably still does, no matter what he says. He
always thought Trek fans were morons (his words) and
probably still does. He used to get mobbed by Trek morons
wherever he went so he said no autographs. He really
is a talented actor and Kirk is a moronic part, lets get real.
and he probably still does, no matter what he says. He
always thought Trek fans were morons (his words) and
probably still does. He used to get mobbed by Trek morons
wherever he went so he said no autographs. He really
is a talented actor and Kirk is a moronic part, lets get real.
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August 15th, 2013 at 7:47:50 PM
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Quote: HotBlondeIt's fascinating to see someone in person whom you've seen on television or in the movies. Especially if it's someone you followed throughout your life or have memories watching with your family and stuff like that. Some of these people become a part of your life and I don't see why there are those of you who find that odd.
I never saw the value in an autograph, maybe a pic, but I'd think you have to careful not to be intrusive while asking. Why people think an autograph is okay to ask for, and then get annoyed if refused, is beyond me. Why an autograph? How about a lock of hair? A slice of fingernail? A swab of spittle? Why is one expected and another isn't?
I've run into several celebrities in Vegas poker rooms and it never occurred to me to bother them for an autograph. I don't get it. Engage in conversation? Sure. Ask questions about the show he's on? Of course. But make him perform any tricks of my choice, no.
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August 15th, 2013 at 7:53:48 PM
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Quote: EvenBobHe really
is a talented actor and Kirk is a moronic part, lets get real.
...just... wow.
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August 15th, 2013 at 8:01:36 PM
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Quote: 24Bingo...just... wow.
Um, yeah, he is. Shatner is a classically trained Shakespearean actor
who had a long career before Star Trek. He screwed the pooch when
he started taking any work that came his way and got typecast as the
idiotic Captain Kirk. He messed up the rest of his career and understandably
developed a raging hatred for all things Trekkie.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 15th, 2013 at 8:08:53 PM
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I don't think that it is odd, but the context is key. I live in Pittsburgh and have a good friend that is close to a pretty famous person here. Honestly, it sucks to go out with them because everyone wants a picture, an autograph, or to ask a question. It results in us never being able to hang out with the famous guy. It's flattering to the famous guy, but it's also annoying after a while because of all of those conversations are short and superficial. It's like being really popular and really lonely/bored at the same time.
Early on, he is super patient and, while he always remains polite (talks, signs, etc), you can tell that it gets old pretty fast. For us, it's not fun either, we just want to hang out with our friend!
Early on, he is super patient and, while he always remains polite (talks, signs, etc), you can tell that it gets old pretty fast. For us, it's not fun either, we just want to hang out with our friend!
August 16th, 2013 at 4:50:58 AM
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People that worship celebrities have NO pride. Its that simple.
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August 16th, 2013 at 6:58:43 AM
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Quote: NareedI'll reply very obliquely, that I was favorably impressed Penn and Teller graciously signed autographs, took questions and posed for photos with the fans, after their show at the Rio.
i got an autograph from teller on a pack of cigarettes. i think he made a doodle of a camel too.
August 16th, 2013 at 1:31:27 PM
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Oh, and since the Wiz doesn't think the below posts were suspension-worthy, I'll make my comments on them knowing I'm safe as well from any admin punishment...
I've actually been trying to get the local child molestation sex offenders registration office community support groups to help you with your issues.
I think the REAL "asshole" here is the person who thinks it's ok to insult the OP like that and not think that that makes HIM one in doing so.
Quote: FleaStiffI've sent that restaurant faxes almost daily to approach you and have you come work in my nearby whorehouse entertainment establishment but they've just quietly let you eat your meals in peace and have a nice time there.
I've actually been trying to get the local child molestation sex offenders registration office community support groups to help you with your issues.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe "asshole" here is the person who thought it was no big deal to interrupt a person at dinner with their friends.
I think the REAL "asshole" here is the person who thinks it's ok to insult the OP like that and not think that that makes HIM one in doing so.
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August 16th, 2013 at 1:41:19 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanI
The "asshole" here is the person who thought it was no big deal to interrupt a person at dinner with their friends.
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That kinda goes without saying. 'Me me me' is the
call of the modern person. It used to be stars could
lead private lives even in public. I saw Jennifer Garner
on TV last night in tears because there's always a
dozen photographers outside her house 24 hours a
day and they even harass her kids.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 16th, 2013 at 1:42:29 PM
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Quote: rudeboyoii got an autograph from teller on a pack of cigarettes. i think he made a doodle of a camel too.
I also got Penn & Teller autographs after their show. It was cool for them to make themselves available like that.
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August 16th, 2013 at 1:44:48 PM
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August 16th, 2013 at 1:56:45 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesBig $$$$ in these star photos. .
Like somebody pointed out, take Sinatra's pic it the 50's
and 60's and he'd pull a Sonny Corleone and have your
camera busted, or worse. Even in the 40's he had big
sweater wearing bodyguards who didn't let you get
within 10 feet of The Voice. As late as 1978 he had a
battle at Heathrow in London between his guards and
the paparazzi. The guards won..
Here's the Chairman and his boys in the late 60's:
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 16th, 2013 at 2:02:20 PM
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August 16th, 2013 at 2:16:50 PM
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 16th, 2013 at 3:12:54 PM
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After a show or performance most actors/magicians/athletes figure they will sign autographs. Also at fights or games, many will be happy (before the event) to sign.
However, when someone is eating dinner or is at the table with other people, it is rude to bother them. People don't just choose the "celebrity life" they are actors because they like to act; writers because they like to write; ball players because they like to play ball --- celebrity is just a by-product.
There are (trust me) people who barge into your space without a thought to what you happen to be doing in that space at that time. How about someone asking for an autograph at a wake? Or someone who comes to your house? Or someone who grabs your arm when you are about to shoot the dice?
I think Shatner was correct in this case. He wanted to have dinner with friends or business associates. If he indicated when he arrived that he wanted to give autographs that would be a different situation.
I don't think this is a mortal sin, asking for an autograph at dinner, but the asker should always ask himself, "Would I want to be bothered right now?" That might solve such cases.
However, when someone is eating dinner or is at the table with other people, it is rude to bother them. People don't just choose the "celebrity life" they are actors because they like to act; writers because they like to write; ball players because they like to play ball --- celebrity is just a by-product.
There are (trust me) people who barge into your space without a thought to what you happen to be doing in that space at that time. How about someone asking for an autograph at a wake? Or someone who comes to your house? Or someone who grabs your arm when you are about to shoot the dice?
I think Shatner was correct in this case. He wanted to have dinner with friends or business associates. If he indicated when he arrived that he wanted to give autographs that would be a different situation.
I don't think this is a mortal sin, asking for an autograph at dinner, but the asker should always ask himself, "Would I want to be bothered right now?" That might solve such cases.
August 16th, 2013 at 5:00:00 PM
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Quote: pacomartinQuote: FleaStiffSome females who have gone on Sex Tourism trips and enjoyed the experience immensely have later come a cropper.
Quote: NareedFace it, Kirk was a mimbo.
Well, we've learned a British idiom, and been reminded of Seinfeld episode two decades ago.
Celebrities are entitled to some privacy in their lives. What may be 5 minutes to you is a lot to him when multiplied by a hundred people per day.
And my handle is from that episode.
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August 16th, 2013 at 5:09:08 PM
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Quote: FrankScobleteAfter a show or performance most actors/magicians/athletes figure they will sign autographs. Also at fights or games, many will be happy (before the event) to sign.
However, when someone is eating dinner or is at the table with other people, it is rude to bother them. People don't just choose the "celebrity life" they are actors because they like to act; writers because they like to write; ball players because they like to play ball --- celebrity is just a by-product.
There are (trust me) people who barge into your space without a thought to what you happen to be doing in that space at that time. How about someone asking for an autograph at a wake? Or someone who comes to your house? Or someone who grabs your arm when you are about to shoot the dice?
I think Shatner was correct in this case. He wanted to have dinner with friends or business associates. If he indicated when he arrived that he wanted to give autographs that would be a different situation.
I don't think this is a mortal sin, asking for an autograph at dinner, but the asker should always ask himself, "Would I want to be bothered right now?" That might solve such cases.
Reasonable. When the celebrity is off the clock, it's up to him/her as to whether they want to continue being a celebrity. From a fan perspective, I think it's fine to ask, but needs to respect when the celebrity refuses.
As for Shatner not liking Trek, he started his acting days as a classically trained actor at Stratford (Ontario) doing Shakespeare roles. He realizes who has been signing his paychecks. All of his roles since Star Trek were because of Star Trek. His wonderful life has been because of Star Trek, and for that, he is thankful.
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August 16th, 2013 at 5:26:48 PM
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Does anyone remember Shatner in the short lived S#*! my dad says? Not his best work but the writers had a lot to do with that.
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August 16th, 2013 at 6:06:46 PM
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Did anyone else see Shatner in Free Enterprise? I think it bombed at the box office but I thought it was quite good, especially for the obviously low budget. Shatner played himself in the movie, and seemed eager to make friends with strangers.
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August 16th, 2013 at 6:12:49 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 16th, 2013 at 6:25:56 PM
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Quote: WizardShatner played himself in the movie, and seemed eager to make friends with strangers.
Haha, that's why it's called ACTING, lol
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August 16th, 2013 at 8:00:33 PM
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Quote: EvenBobUm, yeah, he is. Shatner is a classically trained Shakespearean actor
who had a long career before Star Trek. He screwed the pooch when
he started taking any work that came his way and got typecast as the
idiotic Captain Kirk. He messed up the rest of his career and understandably
developed a raging hatred for all things Trekkie.
You can only blame so much on the writing. Put a better actor in that role, and he'd have played it better. He'd still have been typecast, but he'd have been typecast as a bad character, not a bad actor.
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August 16th, 2013 at 8:19:24 PM
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Quote: 24BingoPut a better actor in that role, and he'd have played it better.
Who the frick are you, Nostradomus? Give me a
break, keep your crystal ball predictions to yourself.
You have no idea what coulda shoulda woulda..
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August 17th, 2013 at 6:56:21 PM
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When people think of Captain Kirk, about 80% of what they're picturing is what William Shatner brought. I don't exactly think Gene told him "Kirk... tendstospeak... extremelyfastwith... pauses... thathemightplacespecialemphasison... important... words... andina... monotone... exceptattheclimaxwhenhe... HAMS IT UP!"
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August 17th, 2013 at 7:57:58 PM
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You can't dispute that Nimoy was nominated for Emmys, not Shatner.
But don't kid yourself. Star Trek is (not was) at 47 year and running phenomenon with William Shatner at its first helm. NBC was gonna cancel that series after two years (the fan write it gave it the third).
The Original Series was supposed to be kitschy, funny, thoughtful, and philosophical, and Shatner was absolutely perfect. The show ended up to be ground-breaking.
NBC didn't like the lead actor for the first pilot. When the show hit syndication (it was lucky to do so -- the show was bought by a company to air the shows against network newscasts) in the 70s (which is when I first watched it), the show took off, getting more viewers than the original run due to the late afternoon and early evening timeslots.
They were going to relaunch Star Trek on TV but with the success of Star Wars Paramount turned it into a movie franchise followed by a network (UPN) with its flagship show Star Trek: The Next Generation.
His joke about his slow talk was ... that... it gave him more ... screen time.
Honestly, can you imagine anyone but William Shatner as Captain Kirk.
But don't kid yourself. Star Trek is (not was) at 47 year and running phenomenon with William Shatner at its first helm. NBC was gonna cancel that series after two years (the fan write it gave it the third).
The Original Series was supposed to be kitschy, funny, thoughtful, and philosophical, and Shatner was absolutely perfect. The show ended up to be ground-breaking.
NBC didn't like the lead actor for the first pilot. When the show hit syndication (it was lucky to do so -- the show was bought by a company to air the shows against network newscasts) in the 70s (which is when I first watched it), the show took off, getting more viewers than the original run due to the late afternoon and early evening timeslots.
They were going to relaunch Star Trek on TV but with the success of Star Wars Paramount turned it into a movie franchise followed by a network (UPN) with its flagship show Star Trek: The Next Generation.
His joke about his slow talk was ... that... it gave him more ... screen time.
Honestly, can you imagine anyone but William Shatner as Captain Kirk.
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August 17th, 2013 at 8:16:29 PM
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Quote: boymimbo
Honestly, can you imagine anyone but William Shatner as Captain Kirk.
This is never a viable question. Shatner is stuck
in our minds as Kirk. Charleton Heston could have
played Kirk and you'd say you can't imagine anybody
but him.
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