Stupid Gambling Laws
August 2nd, 2012 at 6:37:23 AM
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In my time and travels in various casinos, it seems that every jurisdiction in this country has some stupid laws pertaining to gambling. In Missouri, alcohol can not be given away for free.
My beef rests with a law in Colorado: Dealers (or any other employee) can not advise players how to play the game. This means that by law, if a new player who has never played wants to hit 20, I'm not allowed to say anything. Fortunately, there's usually another player that will stop them, but I have to stand their in silence. I can't think of another rule that is more unfriendly to the player on its face than this. (States that allow aggregate maximums is the other one. IIRC, Illinois does not allow this). It makes the dealers and floorpeople look like their being "mean" when they are really only enforcing the rules. Its worse for a game like Pai Gow or Bonus Six (A Colorado specialty, apparently), when you have to teach the game without giving advice.
As an employee, I think its ridiculous that state law doesn't allow me to tell a player whether or not I want them to bet my tip. Since when does the state get to decide how much (or how little) money someone can make?
Not having being on either coast in my lifetime, do other jurisdictions have similarly ridiculous laws?
My beef rests with a law in Colorado: Dealers (or any other employee) can not advise players how to play the game. This means that by law, if a new player who has never played wants to hit 20, I'm not allowed to say anything. Fortunately, there's usually another player that will stop them, but I have to stand their in silence. I can't think of another rule that is more unfriendly to the player on its face than this. (States that allow aggregate maximums is the other one. IIRC, Illinois does not allow this). It makes the dealers and floorpeople look like their being "mean" when they are really only enforcing the rules. Its worse for a game like Pai Gow or Bonus Six (A Colorado specialty, apparently), when you have to teach the game without giving advice.
As an employee, I think its ridiculous that state law doesn't allow me to tell a player whether or not I want them to bet my tip. Since when does the state get to decide how much (or how little) money someone can make?
Not having being on either coast in my lifetime, do other jurisdictions have similarly ridiculous laws?
August 2nd, 2012 at 6:45:51 AM
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Yeah, California has Craps and Roulette with cards in them. Pretty silly, I thought. AC didn't approve Sic bo until 2002, if I recall correctly.
I wonder whether, if the Blackjack player who had been dealt 20 asked the dealer what to do, it would be allowable for the dealer to simply say, "In this situation, most players would stand, but I'm not allowed to give you any advice". Comes down to how the law is worded and whether it's been dealt with in case law, I guess.
I wonder whether, if the Blackjack player who had been dealt 20 asked the dealer what to do, it would be allowable for the dealer to simply say, "In this situation, most players would stand, but I'm not allowed to give you any advice". Comes down to how the law is worded and whether it's been dealt with in case law, I guess.
August 2nd, 2012 at 7:06:53 AM
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Well, thank goodness there is no longer a $5 max bet in Colorado. It was surprising that they had any table games at those limits.
In Montana, there is a $2 max bet and an $800 max win on slot machines and a "casino" can have only 20 machines. In order to get a gaming license, you must also have a liquor license. The catch is that liquor licenses are limited and sold on the open market for big money.
In Montana, there is a $2 max bet and an $800 max win on slot machines and a "casino" can have only 20 machines. In order to get a gaming license, you must also have a liquor license. The catch is that liquor licenses are limited and sold on the open market for big money.
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August 2nd, 2012 at 7:49:27 AM
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How about requiring a couple hundred hotel rooms in order to operate a casino?
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August 2nd, 2012 at 8:06:41 AM
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You can advice a player, but not when he has a bet in action. After he had hit 16 against a 5, you can advice him before the next bet.
Then again, a lot of advice from dealers is not that valuable. Like, I almost always bust with a 5 or 6. And of course, I hardly ever bust with a 2. That's why it's called a dealer's ACE. LOL
And the infamous, Always take even money, it's the only guaranteed winner in the house.
And Paigowdan's " Have fun. Just don't use your brain. "
Then again, a lot of advice from dealers is not that valuable. Like, I almost always bust with a 5 or 6. And of course, I hardly ever bust with a 2. That's why it's called a dealer's ACE. LOL
And the infamous, Always take even money, it's the only guaranteed winner in the house.
And Paigowdan's " Have fun. Just don't use your brain. "
August 2nd, 2012 at 8:24:24 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 2nd, 2012 at 8:25:39 AM
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There are lots of quirky little laws restricting gambling and casinos. I'll try to list the ones I can remember. Keep in mind behind each of these laws was/is a bunch of legislators and a bunch of constituents:
* No comped alcohol on the gaming floor
* Dealers can't give advice
* No dice allowed
* No table games allowed
* No slot machines allowed
* No reel slot machines allowed
* Bet limits
* Buy-in limits
* Hotel room requirement
* Casino must be built in a riverboat
* Riverboat must cruise when possible
* Must be built on Native American reservation land
* House rules imposed by state law
* No comped alcohol on the gaming floor
* Dealers can't give advice
* No dice allowed
* No table games allowed
* No slot machines allowed
* No reel slot machines allowed
* Bet limits
* Buy-in limits
* Hotel room requirement
* Casino must be built in a riverboat
* Riverboat must cruise when possible
* Must be built on Native American reservation land
* House rules imposed by state law
August 2nd, 2012 at 8:57:05 AM
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This is true but not particularly useful when the kid loses his last $20. lol.Quote: buzzpaffYou can advice a player, but not when he has a bet in action. After he had hit 16 against a 5, you can advice him before the next bet.
I've seen exactly one person in six months that correctly doubled down on his soft 19 against the dealer's six. I complemented him for it. More pleasing, at least to the moderator, I guess is that there's a good number of people who know about your main website. I plug it whenever I get the chance.
August 2nd, 2012 at 9:03:32 AM
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Can I ask, where do you deal at? Are trips pooled? Does casino help with bus tickets ?
August 2nd, 2012 at 9:30:15 AM
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In Washington the licensed card rooms are only allowed to operate games that are dealt with cards. So no Craps, Roulette, machines, etc. This is due to the tribal gaming lobby "paying for" these restrictions with their campaign contributions.
August 2nd, 2012 at 10:08:10 AM
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In Florida, you cannot have table games (that aren't part of the seminole compact), but at the pari-mutuels, virtual BJ (shufflemaster or interbloc) or organic craps/roulette (with real wheels in dice) are fine.
Nonsensical.
Nonsensical.
August 2nd, 2012 at 10:23:46 AM
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Quote: CrystalMathWell, thank goodness there is no longer a $5 max bet in Colorado. It was surprising that they had any table games at those limits.
In Montana, there is a $2 max bet and an $800 max win on slot machines and a "casino" can have only 20 machines. In order to get a gaming license, you must also have a liquor license. The catch is that liquor licenses are limited and sold on the open market for big money.
Thank you for explaining that. I drove through Missoula last Thursday and was laughing at all the liquor store "casinos" around. There were at least a dozen, probably closer to two dozen, in the college town.
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August 2nd, 2012 at 10:28:38 AM
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Montana also has a $300 cap on poker pots. At that point, everyone is all in. As for Washington tribes "paying off" politicians, it is actually a tax stance most states with tribes take. States have to give the tribes some sort of game monopoly to be able to tax the action. If the tribes are allowed exactly the same games as the commercial casinos (NV, SD, IA come to mind) the state cannot get any tax revenue from the tribes.
August 2nd, 2012 at 10:44:14 AM
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Quote: dlevinelawIn Florida, you cannot have table games (that aren't part of the seminole compact), but at the pari-mutuels, virtual BJ (shufflemaster or interbloc) or organic craps/roulette (with real wheels in dice) are fine.
Nonsensical.
That's because those machines are legally classified as machines - slot machines.
Crazy, but that's the way it works.
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August 2nd, 2012 at 11:56:15 AM
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Quote:Can I ask, where do you deal at? Are trips pooled? Does casino help with bus tickets ?
I work at Ameristar in Black Hawk. Tips are not pooled. I keep my own, less with gets tipped out to the craps dealers. They (like most all the casinos up here) subsidize the cost of bus passes so we ride round trip for $4.
August 2nd, 2012 at 12:07:03 PM
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Quote: PokeraddictMontana also has a $300 cap on poker pots. At that point, everyone is all in. As for Washington tribes "paying off" politicians, it is actually a tax stance most states with tribes take. States have to give the tribes some sort of game monopoly to be able to tax the action. If the tribes are allowed exactly the same games as the commercial casinos (NV, SD, IA come to mind) the state cannot get any tax revenue from the tribes.
He isn't talking about taxes. A few years ago, it was either the Washington State Democratic Party or specifically the Gregoire (Our governor) campaign that received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the tribes. It was kind of a big deal in the '08 campaign, I can't remember a thing about it now though.
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August 2nd, 2012 at 7:09:25 PM
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I think Late Surrender is still ILLEGAL in New Jersey, can anyone confirm?
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
August 2nd, 2012 at 8:00:36 PM
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Quote: 98ClubsI think Late Surrender is still ILLEGAL in New Jersey, can anyone confirm?
It is not illegal,it is up to the casino if they want to allow it or not.
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August 3rd, 2012 at 8:28:18 AM
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Quote: PGBuster
in Colorado: Dealers (or any other employee) can not advise players how to play the game.
Well, I consider that is one of the best laws in the world.
winning streaks come and go, losing streak never ends.
August 3rd, 2012 at 8:35:03 AM
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There's no more Casino Control Commission, so there have been a LOT of changes in NJ lately.Quote: 98ClubsI think Late Surrender is still ILLEGAL in New Jersey, can anyone confirm?
I'm more of a poker player. Most poker rooms are now offering Pinapple, Crazy Pinapple and are allowing Straddles (so far just regular, no sleepers or buttons). Does that give you any idea of the kinds of changes taking place?
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August 3rd, 2012 at 8:40:18 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI'm more of a poker player. Most poker rooms are now offering Pinapple, Crazy Pinapple and are allowing Straddles (so far just regular, no sleepers or buttons). Does that give you any idea of the kinds of changes taking place?
I understand gamblers and poker players are two peoples separated by a common language.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
August 3rd, 2012 at 9:49:43 AM
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Quote: ahiromuHe isn't talking about taxes. A few years ago, it was either the Washington State Democratic Party or specifically the Gregoire (Our governor) campaign that received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the tribes. It was kind of a big deal in the '08 campaign, I can't remember a thing about it now though.
The tribal lobby's contributions to Gregoire and various prominent Democratic state Senate/House campaigns was to buy Washington's Online Gambling ban and to shield Tribal gambling from ALL taxes. That's right, Washington state gets ZERO taxes from it's tribal gaming compacts.
Thanks Gregoire, you can't leave soon enough.
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:30:34 AM
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How about: "Sir, the law does not allow me to advise you that "doing X" would be an unwise move on your part" OR
"Sir, the law does not allow me to suggest that you Double Down."
Washington has always had the card rooms that rent chairs but don't bank the games. The Players put up a stack of chips and the dealer puts a stack of HIS chips next to each player's bet. The ferocity of the law enforcement stance in Washington is indeed due to campaign contributions from the various tribes. Betcha dot com got shut down because those Washington polticians one bought are willing to stay bought!
"Sir, the law does not allow me to suggest that you Double Down."
Washington has always had the card rooms that rent chairs but don't bank the games. The Players put up a stack of chips and the dealer puts a stack of HIS chips next to each player's bet. The ferocity of the law enforcement stance in Washington is indeed due to campaign contributions from the various tribes. Betcha dot com got shut down because those Washington polticians one bought are willing to stay bought!
August 19th, 2013 at 5:24:27 AM
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November 5th, 2013 at 3:00:42 PM
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Stupid rules here at HWCC:
--No alcohol before 11 on Sundays (starts at 6 every other day)
--Dealers can't gamble anywhere in the state (rule was actually written to stop owners from playing in their own buildings...not sure how THAT got screwed up)
--No free alcohol
--Can't buy alcohol with chips
And one stupid house rule: dealers can't advise people how to play their hands, but floor supervisors can.
--No alcohol before 11 on Sundays (starts at 6 every other day)
--Dealers can't gamble anywhere in the state (rule was actually written to stop owners from playing in their own buildings...not sure how THAT got screwed up)
--No free alcohol
--Can't buy alcohol with chips
And one stupid house rule: dealers can't advise people how to play their hands, but floor supervisors can.
November 5th, 2013 at 3:37:26 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
November 5th, 2013 at 4:38:15 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesSame in Michigan except the dealers can play at other places.
The restrictions on alcohol are pretty standard around here in Ohio and its neighbors...I've even heard that, in Indiana, they can't serve alcohol at all on Sundays. (Not sure if that's still accurate.)
November 5th, 2013 at 5:24:37 PM
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Quote: hwccdealerThe restrictions on alcohol are pretty standard around here in Ohio and its neighbors...I've even heard that, in Indiana, they can't serve alcohol at all on Sundays. (Not sure if that's still accurate.)
That is mostly correct. I went to college in Indiana and the Sunday alcohol laws were a pain in the ass. After 2am on a Saturday night/Sunday morning, you couldn't buy any booze even at a grocery store.
Bars could not be open on Sundays. BUT, if you were a "restaurant that served alcohol," you could still be open and serve booze on Sundays. I think. I have no idea what the difference is between a bar that serves food and a restaurant that serves alcohol, but I'm guessing it has something to do with what kind of liquor license you have.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
November 5th, 2013 at 6:31:26 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsThat is mostly correct. I went to college in Indiana and the Sunday alcohol laws were a pain in the ass. After 2am on a Saturday night/Sunday morning, you couldn't buy any booze even at a grocery store.
Bars could not be open on Sundays. BUT, if you were a "restaurant that served alcohol," you could still be open and serve booze on Sundays. I think. I have no idea what the difference is between a bar that serves food and a restaurant that serves alcohol, but I'm guessing it has something to do with what kind of liquor license you have.
If you have a BAR license, you can sell a single serving alcohol to a customer. Period. Just alcohol.
If you have a restaurant liquor license, a customer MUST order food, then alcohol. Alcohol alone order IS NOT PERMITTED. meaning, A person cannot go into a restaurant to order just a beer. A person has to order a meal/french fries/salad BEFORE ordering alcohol.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:02:57 PM
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Quote: speedycrapIf you have a restaurant liquor license, a customer MUST order food, then alcohol. Alcohol alone order IS NOT PERMITTED. meaning, A person cannot go into a restaurant to order just a beer. A person has to order a meal/french fries/salad BEFORE ordering alcohol.
At all restaurants I have ever been to, the first thing the server asks is "Can I start you out with something to drink?" If that's illegal in Indiana, that's a dumb law.
November 5th, 2013 at 7:17:13 PM
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'Can I start you out with something to drink?' meaning any beverage. Non alcoholic(legally)
November 5th, 2013 at 8:06:35 PM
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NYC casinos like Resorts World and Empire over at Yonkers are working around the states anti-gambling laws which were written in the seventies I believe.
Here are some of those laws and the work-arounds
NO LIVE DEALERS - All the table games are controlled robotically so e-craps e-roulette e-baccarat and e-sicbo only.
NO GAMBLING THAT IS NOT A LOTTERY - this one was a bit tricky but luckily the law stipulated that a lottery was any game in which players wager on a simultaneous and singular outcome where players are handed winning vouchers and or lottery tickets. All the machines use vouchers which when cashed out have the New York State Lottery insignia on it and the stipulation that every wager is run by and overseen by the lottery commission. In other words no casino chips allowed--and as for the games with similar simultaneous outcomes roulette, craps sicbo and baccarat are okay as the result of each game is a singular simultaneous outcome(that is the outcome pertains to everyones wager. Blackjack and poker is illegal in NYC because the outcome of each game is not singular(one player may have a different hand and therefore different outcome from his neighbor.)
Video poker - technically illegal if run from a digital shoe for the above reason. There are video poker machines but they are run with rng's and the win is determined soon as you push the initial button. The holding of cards is for show. You can get rid of an ace of spades and an ace of spades will pop back or another card that results in the same results had you not held the card - because the animation is just there for show and to give the appearance of choice similar to a slot machine. In fact that is all the NYC video poker machines really are--slot machines. You can forget any advantage play on them, they are quite awful.
NO CASINOS ALLOWED - this one is a real joke. No casinos are allowed so Resorts World and Empire are actually called Video Lottery Facilities. As Someone famous said a rose by any other name is still a rose and in fact the joke is so substantial that the front of the building says in huge red letters CASINO but if you ask an employee they will tell you they are not a casino, they are a video lottery facility.
Here are some of those laws and the work-arounds
NO LIVE DEALERS - All the table games are controlled robotically so e-craps e-roulette e-baccarat and e-sicbo only.
NO GAMBLING THAT IS NOT A LOTTERY - this one was a bit tricky but luckily the law stipulated that a lottery was any game in which players wager on a simultaneous and singular outcome where players are handed winning vouchers and or lottery tickets. All the machines use vouchers which when cashed out have the New York State Lottery insignia on it and the stipulation that every wager is run by and overseen by the lottery commission. In other words no casino chips allowed--and as for the games with similar simultaneous outcomes roulette, craps sicbo and baccarat are okay as the result of each game is a singular simultaneous outcome(that is the outcome pertains to everyones wager. Blackjack and poker is illegal in NYC because the outcome of each game is not singular(one player may have a different hand and therefore different outcome from his neighbor.)
Video poker - technically illegal if run from a digital shoe for the above reason. There are video poker machines but they are run with rng's and the win is determined soon as you push the initial button. The holding of cards is for show. You can get rid of an ace of spades and an ace of spades will pop back or another card that results in the same results had you not held the card - because the animation is just there for show and to give the appearance of choice similar to a slot machine. In fact that is all the NYC video poker machines really are--slot machines. You can forget any advantage play on them, they are quite awful.
NO CASINOS ALLOWED - this one is a real joke. No casinos are allowed so Resorts World and Empire are actually called Video Lottery Facilities. As Someone famous said a rose by any other name is still a rose and in fact the joke is so substantial that the front of the building says in huge red letters CASINO but if you ask an employee they will tell you they are not a casino, they are a video lottery facility.
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November 6th, 2013 at 1:56:01 AM
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Quote: hwccdealerhere at HWCC:
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the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
November 6th, 2013 at 2:12:53 AM
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Laws in New York?
Heck... Chase Manhattan Bank was originally a corporation whose sole purpose was to bring water to Manhattan Island and originally its corporate charter could not be amended.
There is always a way around any law.
Heck... Chase Manhattan Bank was originally a corporation whose sole purpose was to bring water to Manhattan Island and originally its corporate charter could not be amended.
There is always a way around any law.
November 6th, 2013 at 6:23:15 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitHouston Wire & Cable Company
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I think it might be this?
HollyWood Casino Corp turns up in a google search for "hwcc casino'.
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November 11th, 2013 at 3:45:06 AM
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Quote: hwccdealerHollyWood Casino Columbus.
Thanks.
Of course I was pulling your leg a bit. But I do get a little miffed at impenetrable jargon, IMO it comes more from an unadmirable instinct to create cliques than any need to abbreviate. I'm sorry to be snippish, and I realize sometimes people forget they are using jargon ... thus a little reminder.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
November 11th, 2013 at 2:24:17 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitThanks.
Of course I was pulling your leg a bit. But I do get a little miffed at impenetrable jargon, IMO it comes more from an unadmirable instinct to create cliques than any need to abbreviate. I'm sorry to be snippish, and I realize sometimes people forget they are using jargon ... thus a little reminder.
I abbreviated it mainly to keep my name from being half a mile long. I could have gone a number of ways with it, but this was just easier.
November 11th, 2013 at 2:49:15 PM
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I never saw this before. The stupidest gambling law is that some places are allowed to have class 2 slot machines but not class 3. In other words, electronic pull tabs instead of randomness.
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November 11th, 2013 at 3:13:08 PM
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The commission's wings may have been severely clipped, but, to paraphrase Mark Twain, its death has certainly not been premature.Quote: DJTeddyBearThere's no more Casino Control Commission, so there have been a LOT of changes in NJ lately.
"Overview
The New Jersey Casino Control Commission is the panel charged with licensing New Jersey's casinos and its key employees. As a quasi-judicial panel, it also handles appeals of decisions of or penalties imposed by the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement. It is comprised of up to three members, appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the State Senate. Commissioners serve staggered, five-year terms and can only be removed for cause. By law, no more than two commissioners can be of the same political party, a requirement that provides political balance on the panel.
While the Casino Control Commission is an independent agency which is in, but not of, the Department of Treasury, the Division of Gaming Enforcement is an arm of the state's Attorney General's Office. The Division of Gaming Enforcement investigates applicants for casino licenses and key employee licenses and makes licensing recommendations to the commission. The Division also has responsibility for regulating the operation of Atlantic City’s casinos and enforcing the state’s casino gaming laws and regulations." As only the Garden State can do it.
November 12th, 2013 at 5:55:59 AM
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This used to be the law in the UK and the friendly signs that gave a quick overview of basic strategy had to be removed. I think the law is more forgiving these days.Quote: PGBuster...Dealers...can not advise players how to play the game...by law...
However I find it irritating if a player decides to stand on soft 5 and the dealer intervenes, since quite often that affects my result - on a personal note I take the random actions of players as part of the game (albeit really annoying) but have found that some people take offence if you make suggestions on their play.
Recently, sitting third base on Freebet, I saw a dealer allow a free split of tens on the hand before me (vs 6 - so technically correct if you can get away with it) receiving a 6 and 5. As it happens that technically favoured me, since I would have had a stiff vs 6+5, so said nothing - but what if it hadn't. btw it made no difference as the dealer was destined to beat me due to the run of small cards.
January 13th, 2014 at 9:49:33 PM
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In Canada it is illegal to give away alcoholic drinks for free. Even in the restaurants as comps. That being said they do not have to charge $5 and up for a beer.
January 13th, 2014 at 10:07:44 PM
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Might be doing the public a favor. I have been told that Canadian beer and urine share a similar taste. EH ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 13th, 2014 at 10:08:04 PM
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In Ohio it is illegal to give away alcoholic drinks for free, also.
The maximum jurisdictional payout for a slot machine or Video Poker game, with respect to base pays (Progressives can still push a machine to 100%+, and that's acceptable) in the State of West Virginia, is 95%...that's probably about as stupid as a gambling law could ever get.
The maximum jurisdictional payout for a slot machine or Video Poker game, with respect to base pays (Progressives can still push a machine to 100%+, and that's acceptable) in the State of West Virginia, is 95%...that's probably about as stupid as a gambling law could ever get.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
January 13th, 2014 at 10:16:58 PM
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Is there a minimum on the amount they have to charge for alcohol because that seems like a really easy law to circumvent if you want to give alcohol away for free just charge 25cents 50cents or $1 for a drink so its nearly free.
January 13th, 2014 at 10:22:11 PM
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Quote: Mission146In Ohio it is illegal to give away alcoholic drinks for free, also.
The maximum jurisdictional payout for a slot machine or Video Poker game, with respect to base pays (Progressives can still push a machine to 100%+, and that's acceptable) in the State of West Virginia, is 95%...that's probably about as stupid as a gambling law could ever get.
Oh Yeah ?
Goldfish may not be given away to entice someone to enter a game of bingo.
Operators of bingo games may not advertise the prizes offered.
And Oklahoma really ruins gambling for me : Women may not gamble in the nude, in lingerie, or while wearing a towel.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 13th, 2014 at 10:28:21 PM
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Filed under stupid gambling laws: the way recreational gamblers are required to file taxes. I'm thinking about starting a website/Facebook page/twitter account/PR campaign for this cause. Will you all join my PAC and sign my petition?
My demand is quite simple: just let us net out our wins and losses....that's it. I won't try to escape paying taxes on a net win, and Uncle Sam lets me keep my god damn standard deduction if I happen to gamble a lot.
My demand is quite simple: just let us net out our wins and losses....that's it. I won't try to escape paying taxes on a net win, and Uncle Sam lets me keep my god damn standard deduction if I happen to gamble a lot.
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January 13th, 2014 at 10:32:25 PM
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I see nothing stupid about any of the machines in NY simply because it is the only legal way to have them by using the allowed forms of gambling. The only other option as of now is having zero machines. I believe casinos have been legally constitutionally voted in now, so that's going to change. I hope they keep the current law setting the minimum payout to nothing less than 90%.
Not allowing free alcohol laws I don't like because the casino acts like they can't do anything about it, but they favor their own profits. Same thing with the milk, tobacco and alcohol laws favoring stores not allowing coupons or discounts when the law was written to help them.
Funny thing about WV laws max at 95%, the local used to have signage stating this in the high limit room $5 max bet machines, "These machines pay up to 95%", when all the machines could pay up to 95%.
Of course the machines used to be limited to $5 max bets, but they managed to change that one to at least $100 but left the other.
You know actually I think all the states have crappy laws for lowest minimum paybacks and keeping the slots paybacks for individual machines secretive when it's impossible to know from simply looking.
Not allowing free alcohol laws I don't like because the casino acts like they can't do anything about it, but they favor their own profits. Same thing with the milk, tobacco and alcohol laws favoring stores not allowing coupons or discounts when the law was written to help them.
Funny thing about WV laws max at 95%, the local used to have signage stating this in the high limit room $5 max bet machines, "These machines pay up to 95%", when all the machines could pay up to 95%.
Of course the machines used to be limited to $5 max bets, but they managed to change that one to at least $100 but left the other.
You know actually I think all the states have crappy laws for lowest minimum paybacks and keeping the slots paybacks for individual machines secretive when it's impossible to know from simply looking.
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January 17th, 2014 at 7:58:38 PM
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Quote: CrystalMathIn Montana, there is a $2 max bet and an $800 max win on slot machines and a "casino" can have only 20 machines. In order to get a gaming license, you must also have a liquor license. The catch is that liquor licenses are limited and sold on the open market for big money.
I follow the Montana gaming news online. At one time the liquor licenses were going for around a million dollars. But the 2008 crash and the 2009 smoking ban caused revenue to drop about 25%. The Montana Tavern Owners Association was all up in arms about one guy selling his liquor license for half a million dollars in 2010. MTRA convinced the legislature to legalize video line games. It's been a shot in the arm for a lot of establishments. Plus the economy is improving. Some places are reporting that the line games are getting 30% of the action.
MTRA's current move is trying to get the betting limit raised. I got a big laugh out of one quote from a bar/casino owner:
"One of the things that is going to need to be done is to raise the amount that can be bet to make line games more profitable for the player." LOL!
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January 17th, 2014 at 8:42:54 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsFiled under stupid gambling laws: the way recreational gamblers are required to file taxes. I'm thinking about starting a website/Facebook page/twitter account/PR campaign for this cause. Will you all join my PAC and sign my petition?
My demand is quite simple: just let us net out our wins and losses....that's it. I won't try to escape paying taxes on a net win, and Uncle Sam lets me keep my god damn standard deduction if I happen to gamble a lot.
Very well stated, but obviously that's an uphill battle.
Can anyone tell me when the W-2G requirement was implemented? I don't believe the thresholds (currently $1,200 for slots) have ever been adjusted for inflation.
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