Having to tip dealers is ridiculous
That's got to be the the dumbest way to solve the problem. Their time is far better spent on here trying to get us to pay their bills.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIt's a free country. Feel free to get another job that pays better.
Clearly non tippers are the sole reasoning for kids suffering around the world.
Quote: Kidcraps
I make $3.50/hr dealing at our house.
This is so misleading. It doesn't matter at all what your base salary is. If you don't make at least minimum wage when tips are accounted for, the employer must make it up to you in your paycheck so you are at least making minimum wage. This is the law in every state in the USA. Your base salary could be a penny an hour; you are still going to make at least minimum wage either through tips or adjustments.
In practice, all casino dealers make well higher than minimum wage. When was the last time your employer had to supplement your check? I am guessing "never."
Good luck everybody. 'Nother 21 for my man George, it's almost like I'm fixing it for you, friend!
Quote: KidcrapsAt this point while I'm dealing I realize that you're not going to tip, so simply acknowledging your existence at this point is futile and obsolete.
Good luck everybody. 'Nother 21 for my man George, it's almost like I'm fixing it for you, friend!
1. How about you do your job, which requires acknowledging customers exist, whether or not they tip you?
2. HILARIOUS. Are you implying that tippers somehow get better hands than stiffs? If you actually had the power to deal customers you like better hands, you'd be rich beyond your wildest dreams and/or quickly out of a job. Here's a fact for you: tipping comes directly off the bottom line for gamblers. I I bet $100, win a hand, toke $2, then I bet $100 and lose a hand, are you going to go into your box and drop me that $2 back? Dealers don't give a shit when gamblers lose, so why do they expect an automatic tip when they win?
Tipping should be for good service and should be done at the customer's discretion after a winning session only. I have seen people tip off 100s of dollars early in a winning session, then lose everything to the house. Sure would be nice to have that $200 back.
Risk jail to make someone else rich. Best idea I've heard all night. Perhaps the $3.50 maximum earning potential has to do with making decisions like this one throughout life?
Quote: sodawaterTipping should be for good service and should be done at the customer's discretion after a winning session only.
Life is one long session. Maybe I'll write him into my will.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhy is it my responsibility to pay your bills?
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LOL!Quote: AxiomOfChoicePerhaps the $3.50 maximum earning potential has to do with making decisions like this one throughout life?
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Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThis is pretty funny. The guy is willing to cheat, and able to cheat, but rather than doing it to enrich himself, he's doing it to enrich a good tipper, hoping that he'll see a few dollars out of the thousands that he steals from the house.
Risk jail to make someone else rich. Best idea I've heard all night. Perhaps the $3.50 maximum earning potential has to do with making decisions like this one throughout life?
I don't believe that he has any ability whatsoever to ensure better hands are dealt to tippers.
Well the Nevada minimum wage is $8.25/hour so he has to make at least that.Quote: RSYou make $3.50/hour? I'm hoping that's not including tips. What do you make including tips?
I was curious what averages were so here is an interesting site if anyone else is interested http://www.hcareers.com/us/resourcecenter/tabid/306/articleid/629/default.aspx
I tip just fine. I don't know why people cant just do their job and stop bellyaching, whining and complaining.Quote: TerribleTomI find that my life is made much more pleasant by being a generous tipper in almost every circumstance.
From wait staff to taxi cabs to the guys that delivered my refrigerator, a few bucks is a small price to pay.
Most tipped employees really appreciate a generous tip, and they will remember the generous tipper. If you're a regular, it definitely comes back to you in return. If you're an out of towner, at least you're not a chintzy bastard that makes service worse for the next guy.
If you want to roll through life putting on your best Mr. Pink imitation, go for it. Just do it knowing that everyone knows you're a miserable bastard - and I mean everyone, not just the tipped workers you stiffed.
Spend more time doing your job, and less time being upset about the few who don't tip, it will all work out. If you run around all day upset that someone didn't tip you. I cant imagine you can do your job in a proper mindset without it showing to others. Not liking someone because they don't tip is shallow. Show people you like them if they tip or not and next time they might tip very generously.
When I worked and GOT tips(not FOR tips)This worked out for me very well. We had one older, (kind of gruff) very smart, successful guy who gambled on VP with a wife imposed strict budget EVERYDAY. No one liked to communicate with him much(except management) or pay him jackpots because he didn't tip much or at all.
I didn't care if he tipped, I got to know the guy and liked him. He had some neat stories and good life experiences to share.
one time I even gave him a few bucks when he ran out of money quick one day. I remember him saying, "everyone wants money from me, you're the fist to ever not want anything from me, and just give me something. After that, he tipped me very well. If he hit something, when I was not there. He would put the money in a envelope and give it to my supervisor and tell my supervisor, I was a great kid, this probably saved my job a few times, since all's I really did was fk off and talk to people all shift.
More importantly his son was an executive at a popular casino who said, if I ever needed a good job call and it was mine. I never had to make that call, but it was nice to know and helped give me courage to quit my job soon after.
Sound like an illegal home casino/poker thing.Quote: geoffWell the Nevada minimum wage is $8.25/hour so he has to make at least that.
I was curious what averages were so here is an interesting site if anyone else is interested http://www.hcareers.com/us/resourcecenter/tabid/306/articleid/629/default.aspx
I would feel very, very sad :( ....... FOR MYSELF, because I was a big fat loser for raising my kid to be a whining little brat who thinks the world owes him a living, and he is still living at home making 2 bucks and HR, then I would shoot myself.Quote: KidcrapsHow are you people going to feel when your child comes home crying because as a server they got stiffed and worked 8 hours for their $2.25/hr and no tips.
This works in other countries, why can't this work here in the US? I would feel so much better if any jobs involve tipping would turn into a hourly wage with no tip. I get great service when I go to Japan, where tips are not allowed, actually frowned upon because it cheapens the server. You would think that no tipping disincentives workers but with higher pay, many places retain more employees and they are more happier. Check my In-N-Out thread to see what I am talking about.
You absolutely have no idea how casinos make money. Everything you say thinking it costs casinos money, actually makes them money. You're one inch away from being Tournamentking.Quote: nobetthisrollQuote: Beethoven9thQuote: nobetthisrollAnd sure, casinos would make up for it somehow... by taking more money from the customers to begin with (as I explained in a previous post - entry fees, no more comp meals/hotel rooms, no more free drinks, etc.) - which makes no one happy.
Actually, I be very happy if that happened. If no more tips meant no more comps & drinks, that's fine with me!
Yes...you'd be happy. And maybe a handful of others. However the rewards systems exist for players who DO value things such as free drinks, free hotel rooms, free pre-paid vacations, free meals, free giveaways, match play/direct bet/slot play, jackpot sweepstakes, etc. Every single night I hear a dozen or more players demanding a comp. Just the other night a woman was willing to argue over for 2 hours how much she had lost/won just so she could get a $50 comp to the asian restaurant. Since there was a dispute in what she said vs. what was shown in the computer, they resorted to calling surveillance and rolling back the tape. So, yeah, maybe you and some others don't care, but I'm willing to bet the majority of players do want their free stuff and privileges - including FREE entry into the casino to begin with... which I'm sure would also disappear if houses were forced to pay their dealers xxx amount of dollars vs. the $5 they pay now.
edit: Oh and this is just referring to the big houses. What about the smaller, independent houses with $1,000 table limits? Please, they would flounder and fail.
Quote: Kidcraps
I make $3.50/hr dealing at our house. Because my owner chooses to pay me this little, my kid doesn't deserve to eat
But you and your family are getting free Nobamacare, so shut up shuffle up and deal already.
And you're welcome from me, Gr8hoven9th and AZD who are single-handedly footing the bill... ;-)
Quote: KidcrapsI ran by this thread by accident, and had to make an account just to comment.
I make $3.50/hr dealing at our house. Because my owner chooses to pay me this little, my kid doesn't deserve to eat because you think tipping is ludicrous? And making me work to check a nickle so you can give the waitress a dollar is righteous?
Your thinking is so ridiculous.
As a dealer, our job description doesn't say, 'Take FinsRule's money', it says, 'Entertain guest and provide a fun environment'. That's the 'service' that we are trained to provide.
I'm sure people here have children and grandchildren who feel that I shouldn't get tipped for trying to entertain you as a guest. How are you people going to feel when your child comes home crying because as a server they got stiffed and worked 8 hours for their $2.25/hr and no tips.
Hey Kid, it sounds like you need a break so go ahead and sign the early out list. Your tip is going to the waitress and I'm not even ordering a drink. If the lady sweeping the floor comes by, she'll get one too. If your kid isn't able to eat for any reason there are agencies that can help but you already know that.
this has been brought up before but why not save the tips for needy children I assume they need it more.Quote: 1BBHey Kid, it sounds like you need a break so go ahead and sign the early out list. Your tip is going to the waitress and I'm not even ordering a drink. If the lady sweeping the floor comes by, she'll get one too. If your kid isn't able to eat for any reason there are agencies that can help but you already know that.
Next time you leave a blackjack table after winning big, have a little card printed up saying, thank you for your service, I'm donating your tips to a good cause, needy children.
Dealers will have to convince me they deserve it more.
this has been brought up before but why not save the tips for needy children I assume they need it more.Quote: 1BBHey Kid, it sounds like you need a break so go ahead and sign the early out list. Your tip is going to the waitress and I'm not even ordering a drink. If the lady sweeping the floor comes by, she'll get one too. If your kid isn't able to eat for any reason there are agencies that can help but you already know that.
Next time you leave a blackjack table after winning big, have a little card printed up saying, thank you for your service, I'm donating your tips to a good cause, needy children.
Dealers will have to convince me they deserve it more.
My favorite quote from that article: "Other times, pit managers may ask the players to leave if they are winning too much, which also disrupts the flow of tips."Quote: geoffWell the Nevada minimum wage is $8.25/hour so he has to make at least that.
I was curious what averages were so here is an interesting site if anyone else is interested http://www.hcareers.com/us/resourcecenter/tabid/306/articleid/629/default.aspx
Only PaiGowDan would do that!
Quote: teddysMy favorite quote from that article: "Other times, pit managers may ask the players to leave if they are winning too much, which also disrupts the flow of tips."
Only PaiGowDan would do that!
I've heard of players being asked to leave for winning too much but never seen it where I work. Maybe the lack of bank-breaking jackpots has something to do with it. Or the fact that most of the players who win those kinds of jackpots lose them back within a month if it takes that long.
Frankly, the only way I see the "flow of tips" being disrupted for a big winner is if someone has to fill out a W-2G, we have to pause the game, and players can't play. And given that most players who hit big hands tend to tip off them, I would say it all evens out. Their experience may vary. Just what I've seen.
Yeah it sure would.Quote: sodawaterI have seen people tip off 100s of dollars early in a winning session, then lose everything to the house. Sure would be nice to have that $200 back.
Except the reality is, if you gave it all to the house, you would have given them that tip money too!
So tip while you have it.
Quote: AxelWolfNext time you leave a blackjack table after winning big, have a little card printed up saying, thank you for your service, I'm donating your tips to a good cause, needy children.
Dealers will have to convince me they deserve it more.
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Quote: sodawater1. How about you do your job, which requires acknowledging customers exist, whether or not they tip you?
2. HILARIOUS. Are you implying that tippers somehow get better hands than stiffs? If you actually had the power to deal customers you like better hands, you'd be rich beyond your wildest dreams and/or quickly out of a job. Here's a fact for you: tipping comes directly off the bottom line for gamblers. I I bet $100, win a hand, toke $2, then I bet $100 and lose a hand, are you going to go into your box and drop me that $2 back? Dealers don't give a shit when gamblers lose, so why do they expect an automatic tip when they win?
Tipping should be for good service and should be done at the customer's discretion after a winning session only. I have seen people tip off 100s of dollars early in a winning session, then lose everything to the house. Sure would be nice to have that $200 back.
I tend to agree with the above. I personally am tired of people having their hand out for no real reason. When I am at the icecream store...and someone makes me a single scoop cone...there is a tip jar at the register. I dont tip. However if I look at the cone and its piled high...more than a normal scoop....I will indeed give a tip.
Same with dealers....if I am getting something of value above and beyond their normal expected service....I will tip. If they are going thru the motions in a mechanical manner just dealing cards.....then why tip? Just because they need more money to raise a family is not my concern. The cashier that expertly bags my groceries at walmart could use more money as well....but I dont tip her.
If the dealer gives me something of value, I will tip. If there is a difficult player making me feel uncomfortable, and the dealer lays down the law or takes control..I would appreciate that and tip even if I was losing. If the dealer had clever banter, that made me smile...also a reason for me to tip. But just showing up and dealing cards needs a tip? I dont think so. If i were a player that didnt know how to play and relied on the dealer for advice....I would tip.
If dealers dont think its valid for players to blame them for a series of losing hands....then dont have your hand out for a series of winning hands...unless you are providing something of value to me above and beyond simply dealing.( and simply dealing is the minimum expectation I have....and I dont tip for you meeting minimum expectations). But on the other hand...even if I am losing, a dealer will get tips if they exceed expectations.
You don't? But, they make less money than dealers and they provide a service, also they don't they get a break every 20 min. At least at WM, they get to deal with the best society has to offer, their job is so interesting.Quote: LarrySThe cashier that expertly bags my groceries at walmart could use more money as well....but I dont tip her.
I bet all the dealers tip EVERYONE that provides a service.... right?.
Why are dealers so special? OH ya, I forgot, they put on dumb comedy act and smile while taking your money. Then they lie about player rating's and give out bad advice on BS.
Quote: ontariodealerI'm not sure why any dealers are continuing this thread....you should have learned long ago the tippers are going to tip, the non tippers are not going to tip and if you want to make more money move to a place with a higher toke rate. This hasn't changed in the forty years i have been in this business since they stopped going for your own.
Or figure out how to create an experience for the customers and go above and beyond whatever is required to keep the job?
I played craps a long time ago at a real dump, and gave out the biggest tips because the dealers were having a great time ribbing each other and me and another shooter. They were professional, but able to throw out zingers like no tomorrow and "soft" hustled chips from me, which I gladly gave since I had such a fun time. That's all it really takes to get tips, just keep a good clean game and participate in the game even though you aren't playing.
Quote: ontariodealerdjatc....I deal to the same 15 to 20 guys almost every day....I could be rodney dangerfield but i ain't getting no tips from them.
You should have dealt the table across from you friday 2:30am. Girl shooter (the one with the tan and fake boobs) rolled numerous hardways making her boyfriend 23,000.00 in just under 30 minutes. Player also put dealers in the game many times. 50.00 any 7 won 3 times @ $200.00 each, Hardways $10.00 each came in 2 times, making dealers another $200. Dealers made more than 1k in tips that morning with instant tips from hardways winning 3200 each, tipping dealers $25.00 chips.
Craps is not really a game to accept steady tips. not like roulette where the tip box it practically full almost every day. There also was a darkside bettor there just a few days ago played almost 5k average on every shooter places a $5.00 chip on top of his 1k max bet. he was winning and losing steady and every win dealers got $5.00 maybe in the 2 hours made the dealers about 100-150.
I myself rolled a 5 number firebet just last week with Jeff (Gotee) as a dealer made $250 from the $1.00 firebet.
Bottom line is dealers get taken care of many times. Most times not noticed.
Quote: djatcI played craps a long time ago at a real dump, and gave out the biggest tips because the dealers were having a great time ribbing each other and me and another shooter.
I hear you. I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again, the best & friendliest dealers are the ones at the locals joints and other lower end casinos. The worst are at the big casinos on the Strip. In my estimation, less than 10% of the dealers on the Strip are genuinely nice people. The rest just like to b*tch and moan.
Quote: ontariodealerdjatc....I deal to the same 15 to 20 guys almost every day....I could be rodney dangerfield but i ain't getting no tips from them.
You aren't going to change the way those 15 to 20 guys tip but what about others that play at your table?
I have no idea what kind of a dealer you are but I know that dealers who know what they are doing, do it well, correct mistakes quickly (going either way), keep control of the game, and don't crosstalk about their day off or other customers will get tips from me. If the dealers are friendly and take the time to learn a bit about the customers, all the better.
I tip for good service in many places, the casino is one of them.
Bad service? No tips.
Quote: RonCYou aren't going to change the way those 15 to 20 guys tip but what about others that play at your table?
I have no idea what kind of a dealer you are but I know that dealers who know what they are doing, do it well, correct mistakes quickly (going either way), keep control of the game, and don't crosstalk about their day off or other customers will get tips from me. If the dealers are friendly and take the time to learn a bit about the customers, all the better.
I tip for good service in many places, the casino is one of them.
Bad service? No tips.
that actually is one of the worst things the dealer at craps can do when I am at the table. Talk to the box or stick about personal stuff. And then I am wondering "is he gonna pay me, or is he lost in his mundane conversation". And this goes on and on...a number is rolled, and the guy is talking about his day off to the box, and the stick is ready to move the dice, and I am nervous I am not gonna get paid. Usually I do get paid...but its an unnerving process.
Quote: djatcOr figure out how to create an experience for the customers and go above and beyond whatever is required to keep the job?
I played craps a long time ago at a real dump, and gave out the biggest tips because the dealers were having a great time ribbing each other and me and another shooter. They were professional, but able to throw out zingers like no tomorrow and "soft" hustled chips from me, which I gladly gave since I had such a fun time. That's all it really takes to get tips, just keep a good clean game and participate in the game even though you aren't playing.
That's pretty accurate. Yes, some people just don't tip (or don't tip if they get killed at the table,) and some people are great tippers. Most are in between. One of my regulars is cantankerous, high-maintenance, and kind of gross, but he's an excellent tipper, so dealing to him is a bonus. Besides, we can usually get him to come around.
For me, the tips are usually consistent within each game, but the best regulars and the best player-dealer rapport is on the craps table. Probably because players win and lose as a group moreso than any other game (baccarat being a possible exception, and I don't deal baccarat. Yet.) We tend not to worry about tips because we know they'll come, especially with a crowded table of regulars.
Quote: LarrySthat actually is one of the worst things the dealer at craps can do when I am at the table. Talk to the box or stick about personal stuff. And then I am wondering "is he gonna pay me, or is he lost in his mundane conversation". And this goes on and on...a number is rolled, and the guy is talking about his day off to the box, and the stick is ready to move the dice, and I am nervous I am not gonna get paid. Usually I do get paid...but its an unnerving process.
That drives me crazy, too, even as a dealer. I usually try to keep the game going, and if there's non-game-related conversation going on, I try to keep it so the players can be included. The box talking to a base dealer about this workout program he's doing? Bad idea. The box, base dealer, and a couple of players talking about a football game? As long as they game keeps going, it's a good thing and should be encouraged. And usually a solid dealer can keep up with both.
Quote: hwccdealerThat drives me crazy, too, even as a dealer. I usually try to keep the game going, and if there's non-game-related conversation going on, I try to keep it so the players can be included. The box talking to a base dealer about this workout program he's doing? Bad idea. The box, base dealer, and a couple of players talking about a football game? As long as they game keeps going, it's a good thing and should be encouraged. And usually a solid dealer can keep up with both.
Vegas is chock full of this......Dealers talking sport with each other, golf, weather, boobs whatever but they hardly pay any nevermind to the players at all.
The problem is that you have very little new blood that comes through in the big strip properties. They are all lifers who simply punch a clock, collect and go home. The younger guys are somewhat more creative and eager but I guess at some point most people become jaded bby their jobs?
Quote: Buzzard" the one with the tan and fake boobs " And you know they were fake because >>>>>
Come now Buzz....those are so easy to spot. I myself is somewhat of a boob connoisseur especially when it comes to the enhanced ones.....
It's a skill really, one I hope I never lose :)
Quote: TomspurVegas is chock full of this......Dealers talking sport with each other, golf, weather, boobs whatever but they hardly pay any nevermind to the players at all.
The problem is that you have very little new blood that comes through in the big strip properties. They are all lifers who simply punch a clock, collect and go home. The younger guys are somewhat more creative and eager but I guess at some point most people become jaded bby their jobs?
iF I have to continually stress over whether the dealer is going to pay me or pay be correctly ashe talksand pays off bets,,instead of concentrating on whether I will come down or move a bet or increase a bet...there is something wrong.
I will admit that there are very good multi-tasking dealers that are so good, so confident, so speedy, that I have confidence in them just by seeing them perform their job, and they can talk to the boxman about their day off all day and it doesnt adversely affect my comfort level.
But they are the exception. Most dealers cant have a long conversation and correctly run the game.
Its like how I feel when a cashier is ringing my order and talking non stop to the bagger. I always watch extra carefully to see if things are being double rung..not trusting the quality of the work.
I dont need to babysit the dealer and watch him/her more carefully because they need to relay a day by day accouting of their vacation in aruba to the boxman,.
Quote: TomspurVegas is chock full of this......Dealers talking sport with each other, golf, weather, boobs whatever but they hardly pay any nevermind to the players at all.
The problem is that you have very little new blood that comes through in the big strip properties. They are all lifers who simply punch a clock, collect and go home. The younger guys are somewhat more creative and eager but I guess at some point most people become jaded bby their jobs?
I noticed this when I was out there. Dealers seemed pretty bland, with few exceptions. The craps dealers seemed slow to respond to anything, most of the carnival dealers had the personality of dry toast, and I almost felt like I was bugging some of them by playing their tables. One guy at the Excalibur, though, was all right. He was dealing a sit-down blackjack game, and people were winning, as were my wife and I. The one guy I actually felt pretty good about tipping. (I played a little for the dealers there, but it never won anything. Then again, I'm a very conservative player - small bankrolls, playing for free entertainment moreso than to win.)
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Dealers who constantly whine about money remind me of the burger flippers who whine that they don't make $15/hr.
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Who pays my student loans?
Who pays my malpractice insurance?
Who pays my dog's vet bills?
Who pays for my car (maintenance, gasoline, insurance...etc.)?
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Who pays my student loans?
Who pays my malpractice insurance?
Who pays my dog's vet bills?
Who pays for my car (maintenance, gasoline, insurance...etc.)?
Unhappily married couples?
I kept rolling rolling rolling maoing money for the table and about my 12th roll...the female dealer told me to give her $5 dollars for the "mystery bet"...as I am clueless about craps I obliged and she put it next to my bet on the pass line...a couple of rolls later I finally asked her what the mystery bet was and she said "well, when a person is making money it is proper to tip the dealer and we bet it with you to show our mutual respect"...what the F-word is that about?!? Telling me to give her money for some bet and it turns out it was not actually a bet but a tip???
Quote: aceofspadesSo I took 100 to try my first foray into craps
I kept rolling rolling rolling maoing money for the table and about my 12th roll...the female dealer told me to give her $5 dollars for the "mystery bet"...as I am clueless about craps I obliged and she put it next to my bet on the pass line...a couple of rolls later I finally asked her what the mystery bet was and she said "well, when a person is making money it is proper to tip the dealer and we bet it with you to show our mutual respect"...what the F-word is that about?!? Telling me to give her money for some bet and it turns out it was not actually a bet but a tip???
Where was this? I'd complain to a pit boss (not a dual-rate supervisor) about the dealer hustling for tips. That is ridiculous; she should absolutely be fired for that.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceQuote: aceofspadesSo I took 100 to try my first foray into craps
I kept rolling rolling rolling maoing money for the table and about my 12th roll...the female dealer told me to give her $5 dollars for the "mystery bet"...as I am clueless about craps I obliged and she put it next to my bet on the pass line...a couple of rolls later I finally asked her what the mystery bet was and she said "well, when a person is making money it is proper to tip the dealer and we bet it with you to show our mutual respect"...what the F-word is that about?!? Telling me to give her money for some bet and it turns out it was not actually a bet but a tip???
Where was this? I'd complain to a pit boss (not a dual-rate supervisor) about the dealer hustling for tips. That is ridiculous; she should absolutely be fired for that.
How about written up and councilled? Fired is a bit strong don't you think? :)
