Having to tip dealers is ridiculous
Quote: treetopbuddyI think people that rely on tips for a living don't resent the tipper .
But they do. They like the money, they never dislike
the money. But if you think they feel all mushy and
gooey inside towards the over tipper, you'd be wrong.
Especially in the UK, if you over tip they'll resent you for
being a clueless foreigner. You can even see it on their
faces sometimes. Being is a position of accepting tips
as part of your living is walking a narrow path. On the
one hand you want and need the tips, on the other you
resent that you want and need them and resent the people
who give them to you. That's why there's such an over
reaction to people who don't tip, it's a very emotional
issue.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWhat is the standard for tipping at table games? Should you tip if you only make one bet such as on one inside number on roulette or one pass line bet? Should you just wait to tip when you are playing for a while? Do you tip again when you cash chips?
According to EvenBob it's probably best that you don't tip, especially big. The dealer will only resent you. So went the ball lands on 17 and you had a crispy on 17...3500 bucks, take the money and tell the dealer "take that"! trust you hips and walk away.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWhat is the standard for tipping at table games? Should you tip if you only make one bet such as on one inside number on roulette or one pass line bet? Should you just wait to tip when you are playing for a while? Do you tip again when you cash chips?
At roulette, tip when you have a good win. A buck
or two. If you do this, no need to tip when you
cash out. Never tip when you're losing. Never over
tip. I know Dan is cringing as he reads this, but if you
win $150 on a spin, don't give the dealer a green
chip. A red will do fine. Don't give in to the rosy feeling
of winning and go crazy giving your money away.
Quote: treetopbuddyAccording to EvenBob it's probably best that you don't tip, especially big.
Wow. You got that out of what I wrote? I tip
every time I play, I tip every cab driver and
every waitress. I just never over tip. I tip
the girl who brings a pillow to my room, I tip
the maids, and I tip the restroom attendant.
I tip the pizza delivery kid, and I tip my barber.
Try not to make assumptions based on nothing.
Quote: EvenBobWow. You got that out of what I wrote? I tip
every time I play, I tip every cab driver and
every waitress. I just never over tip. I tip
the girl who brings a pillow to my room, I tip
the maids, and I tip the restroom attendant.
I tip the pizza delivery kid, and I tip my barber.
Try not to make assumptions based on nothing.
A little hyperbole on my part. You've never said don't tip......my bad.
I always bet one and done so usually tip one unit and I think it's probably over doing it being red up to green. I know on slot hand pays it's 1-2% which I'm ok with and maybe sometimes tip small for machine service like bill jams just to motivate them. Still are there not conventional standards for tipping at table games. If I'm playing Bj or 3CP, I usually just tip when I leave and don't like slowing the game down for tipping.Quote: EvenBobAt roulette, tip when you have a good win. A buck
or two. If you do this, no need to tip when you
cash out. Never tip when you're losing. Never over
tip. I know Dan is cringing as he reads this, but if you
win $150 on a spin, don't give the dealer a green
chip. A red will do fine. Don't give in to the rosy feeling
of winning and go crazy giving your money away.
Quote: EvenBobIt's also been skewed by going to casinos
for 35 years and reading the dealer message
boards for 10. They make fun of over tippers
there all the time, just like the rest of the
industry does. It's human nature. Most of
the time over tippers are using it as a form
of manipulation, they want something from
you. People don't like being manipulated, they
resent it. They'll take the money, but it's not
buying what the tipper thinks it is.
The plumber bought exactly what he wanted from you...
Go ahead and resent the guy, but you didn't resent him for being a big tipper, you resented him because he let you know your price to put your tail between your legs, walk away slowly, and stick your head in the sand (all at the same time I might add) was a mere $5 a drink.
Quote: teddysTipping servers $200:
EvenBob is looking for the youtube video that shows these waiters and waitresses calling the tippers......chumps and resenting the MoFo's.....yeah, I know they're young but who cares.
Quote: treetopbuddy
EvenBob is looking for the youtube video that shows these waiters and waitresses calling the tippers......chumps and resenting the MoFo's...
You really don't get it, do you. Amazing. You're
like that kid in class that keeps raising his hand
when the rest of the class got it 20 min ago.
Giving somebody a $200 tip for a $10 order isn't
tipping, it's a stunt. A prank. This is not an every
day experience. The fact that I'm even explaining
the obvious is amazing to even myself.
Quote: EvenBobYou really don't get it, do you. Amazing. You're
like that kid in class that keeps raising his hand
when the rest of the class got it 20 min ago.
Giving somebody a $200 tip for a $10 order isn't
tipping, it's a stunt. A prank. This is not an every
day experience. The fact that I'm even explaining
the obvious is amazing to even myself.
What's there to get? The servers were happy to get the money. Of course it's a stunt. What's your point? The servers had a nice payday and are happy. I'm sure they appreciate the money. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I have a feeling that you could do jumping jacks with a quarter tucked between you ass cheeks.
Quote: anonimussI tip the dealer when it serves my purpose. It doesn't serve my purpose unless I'm going to make more money than I normally would because of the tip.
I generously tip dealers ($5) when they mispay me $50.
Quote: EvenBobBut they do. They like the money, they never dislike
the money. But if you think they feel all mushy and
gooey inside towards the over tipper, you'd be wrong.
Especially in the UK, if you over tip they'll resent you for
being a clueless foreigner. You can even see it on their
faces sometimes. Being is a position of accepting tips
as part of your living is walking a narrow path. On the
one hand you want and need the tips, on the other you
resent that you want and need them and resent the people
who give them to you. That's why there's such an over
reaction to people who don't tip, it's a very emotional
issue.
The UK is a bad example. That is not about the over tip, it is about the whole custom of tipping.
I have been told that the Brits view us yanks as imbeciles for our custom of tipping. So your example is not a good one, since it is a social culture issue.
Would any of our UK friends care to speak up on this topic?
Quote: RaleighCrapsThe UK is a bad example. That is not about the over tip, it is about the whole custom of tipping.
I have been told that the Brits view us yanks as imbeciles for our custom of tipping. So your example is not a good one, since it is a social culture issue.
Would any of our UK friends care to speak up on this topic?
I worked the graveyard shift at Perkins Corporate #1 in Minneapolis for 2 years. Terrible shift, full of drunks and crazy people, except for one thing. We were 24 hours and almost nothing else was (this is 32 years ago), so after the bars closed at 2am, a lot of the crews would come have a late meal. The tips from them were phenomenol. Because they got it.
EB's the only person I've seen who worked in a tip industry and said stuff like this about those who do, or had that attitude himself about tipped employees. Everyone else I know who's been in their shoes takes care of them. And none of us snark behind their backs about what chumps good tippers are.
I liked teddys' video very much. That was completely real and within my experience, in both directions. Last year, for example, 4 of us went to a deli for my birthday dinner. We had a very decent waiter, who in the course of dinner told us he was working to put himself and his wife through graduate school, and they had a newborn. So I tipped him $100 at the end of the meal, both as an investment in him, and as a birthday present to myself. (And no, the other people I was with don't know I did that.) I was lucky to be in a position to do it, and I felt like sharing with someone who was working to make their life better. Nothing more to it than that. Blessings should be shared, just for the joy of it. At that poorer time in my life, I was the recipient of a $100 tip a couple of times (Perkin's afterbar crews) and it was huge. Big thank you and no thought of "suckaaaaaahhhhssss".
Quote: Beethoven9thI'd love to see a Vegas casino switch to the Australian model where there is no tipping.
Splendid idea: Have that Vegas casino do all their personnel recruitment in Australia. Then the model will be just fine.
Trouble is: Australia has the better economy and working conditions. Otherwise....
Quote: FleaStiffSplendid idea: Have that Vegas casino do all their personnel recruitment in Australia. Then the model will be just fine.
It's silly to think that no American would ever take such a job. You must not go to the store much.
Quote: RaleighCrapsThe UK is a bad example. That is not about the over tip, it is about the whole custom of tipping.
I have been told that the Brits view us yanks as imbeciles for our custom of tipping. So your example is not a good one, since it is a social culture issue.
Would any of our UK friends care to speak up on this topic?
Not at all, we just saw it as a cultural thing... thats the way it works in the US, so people tipped. I know plenty of UK folks who never tipped in the US. I felt they were the imbeciles. I got tipped a few times while doing bar work in the UK. I appreciated it. I certainly didn't resent an extra couple of quid, or a pint on the tab at the end of the shift. Even if I thought it was unusual, it was nice.
What tipping never got was special extra service. You got the same service as every other Joe in the place. And that might not have been very good service from behind the bar, but it was normally fast.
I've never sneered at a customer for tipping me. The only time I've seen it sneered is when the creepy guy tips the cute waitress a huge amount. But that's because he's creepy and his tipping is not for good service or a token of thanks. It's to try and 'buy' something.
Jerks are jerks. Whatever they may tip.
Quote: beachbumbabsDOES a casino cap your tips and keep the overage? Is this routine or just where you work? I'd really like to know, because I'm a good tipper, and that would steam my oysters. In fact, I want a list of where they do that, because I've never heard of it. (Not calling you out; just going to take it into account on where I play.)
Eh I have a tendency to word things poorly so I might've made that sound backwards - but no, they don't do cap the pooled tips... at least I've never heard of it.
Casino on my side of the country had a player drop a substantial amount of money and the dealers salary ended up being $70 an hour + their $5 wage. This house normally ranges between $15 and $20.
Quote: anonimussWhen a player loses do you give him money out of your pocket? And, btw, I put my money where my mouth is. I was playing blackjack once and a drunk guy around 30 years old was up a lot and put a black chip on the betting circle of every player at the table. If the player won, he kept $200. If he lost he got zilch. My hand won. I didn't say thank you. I just smiled and put the 2 black chips in my pocket. A couple of hours later I saw him stumbling around dead broke as I knew he'd wind up. I walked up to him and stuck the 2 black chips in his shirt pocket without a word, smiling, and walked away.
Why would I give him money out of my pocket? What kind of nonsense logic is that? I didn't drag the guy to the ATM, force him to withdraw money, and force him to play. But while we're at it, it's rather amusing to be called a bad dealer/screamed at/be told "YOU'RE TAKING ALL MY MONEY" when someone is losing, but no credit (verbally) when they're on a hot streak.
Anyway, where in my post did I gripe about a guy who is losing and not tipping? Oh... I didn't. If some poor guy/gal comes in and loses $5,000 on my table, do I expect a tip? No, not at all. I'm a dealer but also a gambler - I have realistic expectations.
Quote: EvenBobPeople who over tip think they are buying
respect, and they're not. They don't know
it but it brings out the opposite reaction.
Cool people who know how to get respect
know exactly how, and how much, to tip.
It's an important thing to learn if you want
to be looked at as something other than
a ploppie chump.
Meh maybe true somewhere but at our house a good tipper is treated nicely by the dealer(s) and the floor(s). Want a comp but you only have $5 in your points? Yeah, we'll figure something out. Dispute over a bet/payout? Things will likely go in your favor, even if it's mass confusion and no one's sure. But maybe it's different at our house since non-tippers are far, far more common than tippers and our toke rate is one of the lowest of any house I know.
Quote: nobetthisrollMeh maybe true somewhere but at our house a good tipper is treated nicely by the dealer(s) and the floor(s)..
Big tippers are always, 100% of the time,
treated nicely by the people they give tips
to. Even in the UK. Always. But this does
not mean they think highly of the big tipper
and speak of him in glowing terms. Quite
the opposite in many cases. I thought
everybody knew this, I experienced it and
have been reading it on the dealer forums
for years. I keep forgetting most people
pay little attention to what really goes on
around them, they live their lives on what
they assume to be true.
Quote: nobetthisrollWhy would I give him money out of my pocket? What kind of nonsense logic is that? I didn't drag the guy to the ATM, force him to withdraw money, and force him to play. But while we're at it, it's rather amusing to be called a bad dealer/screamed at/be told "YOU'RE TAKING ALL MY MONEY" when someone is losing, but no credit (verbally) when they're on a hot streak.
Anyway, where in my post did I gripe about a guy who is losing and not tipping? Oh... I didn't. If some poor guy/gal comes in and loses $5,000 on my table, do I expect a tip? No, not at all. I'm a dealer but also a gambler - I have realistic expectations.
He's risking his money to gamble. You're not, are you? How is someone that's doing a job a trained chimp can do entitled to the money someone else earns risking their own money?
Dealers are a rude bunch behind your back in general. When I worked for a casino years ago they were the biggest stuck up bunch of people you will ever meet. Out side of work, they returned half way to normal.Quote: EvenBobBig tippers are always, 100% of the time,
treated nicely by the people they give tips
to. Even in the UK. Always. But this does
not mean they think highly of the big tipper
and speak of him in glowing terms. Quite
the opposite in many cases. I thought
everybody knew this, I experienced it and
have been reading it on the dealer forums
for years. I keep forgetting most people
pay little attention to what really goes on
around them, they live their lives on what
they assume to be true.
I do know some real nice BJ dealers, I even dated a few.
It would have taken me less then 2 seconds to click out of that site.Quote: RonC...it only took me 30 seconds on a dice dealers forum to find a comment that said "Georges" were one of their pet peeves...
Quote: anonimussHe's risking his money to gamble. You're not, are you? How is someone that's doing a job a trained chimp can do entitled to the money someone else earns risking their own money?
I mean I feel like it's not even worth 'debating' an issue like this with someone like you. I responded to your last post, only to get pretty much the same exact response which adds nothing to my understanding of why you have that viewpoint.
You know dealers have fees to pay just to deal, right? We have to pay for classes, our gaming licenses, etc. The 8 week craps class is a $1,200 class. The 6 week Blackjack/carnival game class is an $800 class. The 4 week Baccarat class is $800. Gaming license? $350. I assume whatever you do for a living, you paid for an education and are now making a salary relative to that, yes? You really think if everyone in the world stopped tipping which would result in dealers making $5-6 an hour, that you would still have a place to go gamble? There would be no incentive for dealers to deal and they would quit. Sweet, let's go get paid $5 an hour to be screamed at, have cigarette smoke blown in our faces, cards thrown in our face, etc.
Your logic is that someone is risking their own money - yeah, okay, and assuming people don't always lose - Two hours later after winning in excess of $5k and they color up to leave, the risk is over. They have 1 white cheque left, that can't be a tip for the dealer? Especially when they've been throwing the cocktail waitress a nickel every time they've gotten a "free" drink?
Few months ago, some girl turned 21 2 hours ago and bought in for $100 on a Blackjack table. She kept getting a lot of 20s and although I don't normally like to advertise the sucker bets, she literally had gotten about 8 20s in a row. So I told her about the side bet and told her to just throw a buck up there one time. Well, she was dealt the Queen of Hearts with a dealer blackjack: $1,000 bucks. She played two more hands and hit ANOTHER Lucky Ladies bet for 25:1; this time she had a nickel up. She threw me $50 when she left; extremely generous. When someone is up $1,200 in house money, is 'their' money still considered at-risk?
I mean, feel free to continue non-tipping because clearly a post on a message board wouldn't change your opinion. If you're a decent person who isn't a complete jerk-off to deal to; sweet. Non-tipping from you is cool. But I'll always appreciate that buck, or two, or hundred, from the people who don't think like you.
Quote: nobetthisrollWhen someone is up $1,200 in house money, is 'their' money still considered at-risk?
Yes, there's no such thing as being up in house money. Once a bet has won and been paid, that money is the patron's, not the house's.
Quote: RonC...it only took me 30 seconds on a dice dealers forum to find a comment that said "Georges" were one of their pet peeves...
Quote: AxelWolfIt would have taken me less then 2 seconds to click out of that site.
I understand; I just looked to verify what EvenBob brought up about some people not respecting people who give them decent tips. I thought I had seen it before in one of those forums and it was easy enough to find.
Quote: wudgedYes, there's no such thing as being up in house money. Once a bet has won and been paid, that money is the patron's, not the house's.
Nobody ever says the opposite--that it is "patron's money" the house is playing with...nope...it is the house's money once they win the bet. It is my money once I win the bet.
Dealers who cross-talk, ignore the table, have crap attitudes, treat patrons rudely, etc. don't get tips.
Dealers who are friendly, do a good job, remind me of bets but don't push me on them, etc. get tips.
I realize that I don't have to tip anyone. I choose to do so.
Quote: mcallister3200Its amazing they get people to pay 3 k to learn what is a job, not a career. And how does anyone take 6 weeks to learn baccarat, that game is so simple, like a 3 day game.
3k seems reasonable to get your foot in the door. Jobs do turn into careers for motivated individuals.
I actually agree with much of what you said about tipping. (I have no problem tipping nice dealers generously) But I dislike the argument above. I do understand that there are fees involved in becoming a dealer, but the same is true of a boatload of other (non-tipped) jobs. Hell, I have to pay a "fee" by gassing up my car to go to work, but I don't think anyone has any sympathy for me. Nor should they.Quote: nobetthisrollYou know dealers have fees to pay just to deal, right? We have to pay for classes, our gaming licenses, etc. The 8 week craps class is a $1,200 class. The 6 week Blackjack/carnival game class is an $800 class. The 4 week Baccarat class is $800. Gaming license?
Yes, I do. Because casinos would not just pack up & leave if this happened. They'd make adjustments so that those jobs would be attractive enough so that people would once again apply. That's how the free market works.Quote: nobetthisrollYou really think if everyone in the world stopped tipping which would result in dealers making $5-6 an hour, that you would still have a place to go gamble?
Quote: RonC...it only took me 30 seconds on a dice dealers forum to find a comment that said "Georges" were one of their pet peeves...
Back when I was a card counter, I read the
dealer forums every day. Georges were
always looked down on with disdain. Some
of the opinions here crack me up, they are
so far from what goes on in the real world.
Quote: mcallister3200No bet, I can't believe you paid that much for dealer school. And for classes to take that long, well I guess I saw some dealers in school forever. Roulette, 21, bacc., pai gow combined took 4 weeks, dice 5; school and gaming combined were 1 k. Its amazing they get people to pay 3 k to learn what is a job, not a career. And how does anyone take 6 weeks to learn baccarat, that game is so simple, like a 3 day game.
The class length is mandated by the state that I live in.
Quote: Beethoven9thI actually agree with much of what you said about tipping. (I have no problem tipping nice dealers generously) But I dislike the argument above. I do understand that there are fees involved in becoming a dealer, but the same is true of a boatload of other (non-tipped) jobs. Hell, I have to pay a "fee" by gassing up my car to go to work, but I don't think anyone has any sympathy for me. Nor should they.
Yes, I do. Because casinos would not just pack up & leave if this happened. They'd make adjustments so that those jobs would be attractive enough so that people would once again apply. That's how the free market works.
No, I didn't ask for sympathy - haha, no one intelligent in this world asks for sympathy because no one has any to give. But the other poster said any trained chimp can do it; yeah sure, but not many trained chimps are willing to pay thousands for the, ahem, privilege of dealing. My casino in particular is struggling to keep dealers at the house - why? Low toke rate! They're going to other casinos where they make $25-30 an hour vs. $14-17 an hour.
None of this matters because the overall point is moot. Every casino I'm aware of in the US is tipped; pooled or otherwise. I highly doubt there's ever going to be some sort of law mandating that customers can't tip. And sure, casinos would make up for it somehow... by taking more money from the customers to begin with (as I explained in a previous post - entry fees, no more comp meals/hotel rooms, no more free drinks, etc.) - which makes no one happy.
Quote: nobetthisrollI mean I feel like it's not even worth 'debating' an issue like this with someone like you. I responded to your last post, only to get pretty much the same exact response which adds nothing to my understanding of why you have that viewpoint.
You know dealers have fees to pay just to deal, right? We have to pay for classes, our gaming licenses, etc. The 8 week craps class is a $1,200 class. The 6 week Blackjack/carnival game class is an $800 class. The 4 week Baccarat class is $800. Gaming license? $350. I assume whatever you do for a living, you paid for an education and are now making a salary relative to that, yes? You really think if everyone in the world stopped tipping which would result in dealers making $5-6 an hour, that you would still have a place to go gamble? There would be no incentive for dealers to deal and they would quit. Sweet, let's go get paid $5 an hour to be screamed at, have cigarette smoke blown in our faces, cards thrown in our face, etc.
Your logic is that someone is risking their own money - yeah, okay, and assuming people don't always lose - Two hours later after winning in excess of $5k and they color up to leave, the risk is over. They have 1 white cheque left, that can't be a tip for the dealer? Especially when they've been throwing the cocktail waitress a nickel every time they've gotten a "free" drink?
Few months ago, some girl turned 21 2 hours ago and bought in for $100 on a Blackjack table. She kept getting a lot of 20s and although I don't normally like to advertise the sucker bets, she literally had gotten about 8 20s in a row. So I told her about the side bet and told her to just throw a buck up there one time. Well, she was dealt the Queen of Hearts with a dealer blackjack: $1,000 bucks. She played two more hands and hit ANOTHER Lucky Ladies bet for 25:1; this time she had a nickel up. She threw me $50 when she left; extremely generous. When someone is up $1,200 in house money, is 'their' money still considered at-risk?
I mean, feel free to continue non-tipping because clearly a post on a message board wouldn't change your opinion. If you're a decent person who isn't a complete jerk-off to deal to; sweet. Non-tipping from you is cool. But I'll always appreciate that buck, or two, or hundred, from the people who don't think like you.
I was playing in Illinois years ago. There was a dunk at the table up about 2500. He was tipping the dealer very well. There was an Asian lady to his right. He doubled down and the Asian lady said, "I'm going to stand and save the ten for you. A ten came and the dealer, a twenty something Hispanic girl, started telling him he should tip the Asian lady too for saving the ten for him. Now, everyone knows almost all dealers don't have a clue how to play and offer the most inane advice. Anyway, I had enough at this point. I looked at the dealer and said, "Why are you telling a drunk player he should tip another player at the table? She didn't have a clue what the next card was. If it was a three neither you or her open your mouths. If it's a ten, you both start yapping for a tip".
I was considering getting a commission control agent but, since I was there making a living, I let it go. The drunk opened his eyes a bit, slowly realizing he was being worked for tips by both some pos dealer and another clown at the table, picked up his chips and left. I felt extremely good I woke him up. I was up around 3K and left without tipping the dealer. This isn't an isolated incident either. I advise anybody that sees nonsense like this to report the dealer immediately.
I've seen and interacted with more dealers in any given 6 month stretch of a 25 year period of my life than you ever will in your lifetime. I'll keep adding my experiences as this thread goes along.
Quote: nobetthisrollAnd sure, casinos would make up for it somehow... by taking more money from the customers to begin with (as I explained in a previous post - entry fees, no more comp meals/hotel rooms, no more free drinks, etc.) - which makes no one happy.
Actually, I be very happy if that happened. If no more tips meant no more comps & drinks, that's fine with me!
Quote: Beethoven9th
Actually, I be very happy if that happened. If no more tips meant no more comps & drinks, that's fine with me!
I never drink when I play, the two don't
go together. Wouldn't bother me if free
drinks went away, or comps either, that's
all just casino sucker stuff anyway.
Quote: anonimussI was playing in Illinois years ago. There was a dunk at the table up about 2500. He was tipping the dealer very well. There was an Asian lady to his right. He doubled down and the Asian lady said, "I'm going to stand and save the ten for you. A ten came and the dealer, a twenty something Hispanic girl, started telling him he should tip the Asian lady too for saving the ten for him. Now, everyone knows almost all dealers don't have a clue how to play and offer the most inane advice. Anyway, I had enough at this point. I looked at the dealer and said, "Why are you telling a drunk player he should tip another player at the table? She didn't have a clue what the next card was. If it was a three neither you or her open your mouths. If it's a ten, you both start yapping for a tip".
I was considering getting a commission control agent but, since I was there making a living, I let it go. The drunk opened his eyes a bit, slowly realizing he was being worked for tips by both some pos dealer and another clown at the table, picked up his chips and left. I felt extremely good I woke him up. I was up around 3K and left without tipping the dealer. This isn't an isolated incident either. I advise anybody that sees nonsense like this to report the dealer immediately.
I've seen and interacted with more dealers in any given 6 month stretch of a 25 year period of my life than you ever will in your lifetime. I'll keep adding my experiences as this thread goes along.
Ok, since when did I say I advised or approved of hustling tips, for the dealers or other players? Our house is home to a lot of fleas - people that will stand around waiting for an opportunity to say "Hey, I did xxxxxx for you and you won, throw me money!" It's not allowed in our house, and players get thrown out for it if they're caught and reported. Hustling tips for the dealers in my house and my state is illegal and leads to immediate termination if caught and reported.
So, what I'm saying is... I have no idea what the relevance is to my post. I never asked the girl in my post for a tip, nor would I ever. She was happy she won that little side bet bonus and showed her appreciation by throwing me 2 quarters. I'm just as fine with that happening as I am with being stiffed - so long as the player isn't an ass. I believe I've said this about 15 times over now.
Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: nobetthisrollAnd sure, casinos would make up for it somehow... by taking more money from the customers to begin with (as I explained in a previous post - entry fees, no more comp meals/hotel rooms, no more free drinks, etc.) - which makes no one happy.
Actually, I be very happy if that happened. If no more tips meant no more comps & drinks, that's fine with me!
Yes...you'd be happy. And maybe a handful of others. However the rewards systems exist for players who DO value things such as free drinks, free hotel rooms, free pre-paid vacations, free meals, free giveaways, match play/direct bet/slot play, jackpot sweepstakes, etc. Every single night I hear a dozen or more players demanding a comp. Just the other night a woman was willing to argue over for 2 hours how much she had lost/won just so she could get a $50 comp to the asian restaurant. Since there was a dispute in what she said vs. what was shown in the computer, they resorted to calling surveillance and rolling back the tape. So, yeah, maybe you and some others don't care, but I'm willing to bet the majority of players do want their free stuff and privileges - including FREE entry into the casino to begin with... which I'm sure would also disappear if houses were forced to pay their dealers xxx amount of dollars vs. the $5 they pay now.
edit: Oh and this is just referring to the big houses. What about the smaller, independent houses with $1,000 table limits? Please, they would flounder and fail.
