scire
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July 9th, 2012 at 10:56:31 AM permalink
For all you computer saavy IT folks and or programers/code writers.

Please do not relate this post to my previous "what am I doing wrong".... Gripe post.

General curiousity:

Can the Feds (do they have the ability) to see what one is typing before one posts it here or anywhere when online? To wit : do they have unlimited access to EVERYTHING WE EVEN TYPE if we are online ?

I would think they would. ???

Please keep comments/replys serious on this question---much appreciated.
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July 9th, 2012 at 11:15:47 AM permalink
Quote: scire

For all you computer saavy IT folks and or programers/code writers.

Please do not relate this post to my previous "what am I doing wrong".... Gripe post.

General curiousity:

Can the Feds (do they have the ability) to see what one is typing before one posts it here or anywhere when online? To wit : do they have unlimited access to EVERYTHING WE EVEN TYPE if we are online ?

I would think they would. ???

Please keep comments/replys serious on this question---much appreciated.



I am not an IT person, programmer, or code writer, but I believe I have adequate knowledge of the way a message board works to sufficiently answer this question.

We will first assume that the Feds have not hacked your computer and put a keystroke logger or some sort of remote viewing access on it.

That having been assumed, when a post is made you are transmitting information to WoV much like WoV is transmitting information to you when you read a thread.

If you hit, "Quote," on a thread, then WoV transmits new information to your computer inclusive to the reply (at the top) and a textbox in which the quoted material from the previous poster (pre-quoted) can be found. You will then respond to the quoted material, as I am, in the textbox, but you have not yet sent any information back to WoV, otherwise your posts would constantly be being saved by WoV (Kind of like how Google Documents does with a continuous back-and-forth transmission) and you would never lose a post because it would always be there.

The connection to WoV still exists, because the post would fail to be sent if the connection was broken, but despite the fact that I am typing, I will not actually transmit anything to WoV until I hit the post button. It is only at that point (again, absent your computer being hacked) that the material I am presently typing would ever be visible to anyone except me, because I have not even transmitted something for it to be, "Cut-Off," by a third-party.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 9th, 2012 at 11:25:54 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

We will first assume that the Feds have not hacked your computer and put a keystroke logger or some sort of remote viewing access on it.



Without that, or a video camera looking over your keyboard, it's not possible to know what someone types.

Except many word processing programs, and others, do automated savings in "hidden" files while you work. Most people never notice this. I'm not sure when the auto-saves get erased, or whether they even get erased. But someone would have to hack your PC to see that.
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July 9th, 2012 at 11:49:56 AM permalink
What you type in most html form text boxes is not available to the server until you hit 'Post' or 'Submit'.

Even then, the information is sent via your ISP to the forum server, usually along encrypted channels.

The "Feds" usually don't give a damn what you write, and even if they did, it would be difficult for them to see it. ISPs tend to be very private about the information and identities of their clients, only giving access to government officials after receiving a warrant.

The short answer is 'NO', the Feds can't see what you are about to post.
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July 9th, 2012 at 11:55:48 AM permalink
Quote: scire

Can the Feds (do they have the ability) to see what one is typing before one posts it here or anywhere when online? To wit : do they have unlimited access to EVERYTHING WE EVEN TYPE if we are online ?

Unfortunately, the question can be interpreted in many ways. Do the Feds *have* the ability to see what you're typing before you post it online? Yes, they *have* that ability. Do they *use* that ability? Why should they? Give them a reason to, and I'm sure they will.

However, it's not the Feds you have to worry about. There are other organizations monitoring your online posts to see what you are typing and doing and who you are associating with. Organizations like MATERIAL REDACTED BY UNKNOWN SOURCE. Also, people like MATERIAL REDACTED BY UNKNOWN SOURCE. Those are the ones to worry about.
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July 9th, 2012 at 12:00:13 PM permalink
Well played, sir.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 9th, 2012 at 12:04:51 PM permalink
Konceptum -

So was your post just a victim of the type of editing you're talking about, or are you just screwing with us?
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July 9th, 2012 at 12:05:36 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Well played, sir.

Hmmm....

Yeah, I guess there's my answer.
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July 9th, 2012 at 12:10:14 PM permalink
No. When you're typing in a normal browser text area like this nothing is transmitted over the internet until you hit post or preview.

When you're typing in ajax-laden areas that automatically send what you've typed, then someone could sniff those pieces of text as they're sent. (like google returning search results as you type and facebook auto-completing names.)

Note that https, providing there are no shenanigans with your root certificate store, basically make this infeasible without cooperation with the source (pre-encryption) or destination (post-decryption) computers/networks.

Speaking of which, this site should be https all the time. You can get a free (really) certificate at startssl.com that's trusted by all modern browsers that matter.

I signed in from an open wifi at a hotel last weekend and I felt pretty naked. All the best sites are doing it. :)
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July 9th, 2012 at 12:12:12 PM permalink
" No. When you're typing in a normal browser text area like this nothing is transmitted over the internet until you hit post or preview."

That is true only if you make sure your TV set is not in a direct line where the keyboard can be seen.
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July 9th, 2012 at 12:18:53 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

So was your post just a victim of the type of editing you're talking about, or are you just screwing with us?

Come on, DJ, you been around longer enough to know the answer to that....

Seriously though, the OP still has a flaw in that many of the people answering are assuming that a computerized methodology needs to be used to know what the person is typing prior to being posted on the internet. The fact is that old fashioned surveillance still works wonders. Watching someone with a camera will tell you what they are typing prior to posting. Further, even the famous hacker Kevin Mitnick utilized social engineering to gain all kinds of information. It's so much easier to get people to tell you what they think rather than wait for them to post it online.

Even so, there are many computerized ways for someone to know what you're typing. Besides key loggers, you have various viruses and trojans that exist solely to transmit data of any kind. And this can be done via internet or wireless receiver if you think removing your internet connection will save you.

Remember the app you could load onto someone's phone that would turn on the speaker so that you could listen to whatever they were talking about remotely? And that's not even when they were on the phone, just if they had the phone near a source of conversation?

Remember the controversy when it was discovered that the Apple iOS was storing tracking data on people, and said data could be accessed?

I stick by my original answer. The Feds, and anybody else, including me, *HAVE* the ability to know what you type even if you don't post it online. But, again, why worry about it unless you're doing something you shouldn't be doing anyway?

And DJTeddyBear is the one to worry about. He knows what you're thinking before you even start to think it!
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July 9th, 2012 at 12:29:12 PM permalink
What Quad said. [Edited to remove the fact that I duplicated what Quad said.]

Go to Google.com. Start typing in the search box. It looks like a normal text area. But it's code. That's why as you start to type, it starts to fill in from it's vast history of searches. Type in "wiz". For me, it gives "wizard of oz", "wiz khalifa", "wizard101", and "wizards of waverly place", all searches that I, myself, have never performed. This is information from the internet, presented as you type it in.
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July 9th, 2012 at 12:44:28 PM permalink
Exactly what I said in my post, Holmes.
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:05:46 PM permalink
Quote: konceptum

And DJTeddyBear is the one to worry about. He knows what you're thinking before you even start to think it!

Damn! I've been outed!
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:19:03 PM permalink
You do not think were were fooled by your cover story. I mean DJ and Preacher ? Is that the best yuor government agency could come up with !
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:37:42 PM permalink
Dealing with the noise/signal problem becomes monumentally insurmountable, to try and spy on everything. First, suspicion must be aroused or forget it.
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:49:56 PM permalink
We've been watching you Neo...
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:52:26 PM permalink
Tim, you may be charged with aiding and abetting. Leave Neo to us, the proper authorities.
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:53:01 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

You do not think were were fooled by your cover story. I mean DJ and Preacher ? Is that the best yuor government agency could come up with !


I never said I was a Preacher.

I'm a Reverend.

I am called upon to officiate spiritual ceremonies, usually weddings, in a manner that is both entertaining, and preserves the dignity of the day, but I most definately do NOT preach.
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July 9th, 2012 at 1:57:26 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Dealing with the noise/signal problem becomes monumentally insurmountable, to try and spy on everything. First, suspicion must be aroused or forget it.



Even when you're spying on someone who is up to something, you'l find you have to get past an awful lot of noise first. Surveillance and listening to wiretaps must rank as two of the most boring jobs in the world.
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July 9th, 2012 at 4:15:02 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146


The connection to WoV still exists, because the post would fail to be sent if the connection was broken,



That is not actually true. HTTP is a stateless protocol. The server, absent session id, cookie, or other identifier doesn't know you from request to request. Even with an identifier of some sort (so the server can "remember" who it's talking to) there is no constant connection between your computer and the server. You're connected only when sending or receiving data.
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July 9th, 2012 at 4:26:10 PM permalink
I beg to differ. Don't you occasionally write the marriage vows ??
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July 9th, 2012 at 4:54:27 PM permalink
Quote: MonkeyMonkey

That is not actually true.



Dead wrong is more like it.

The authentication cookie telling the server who you are is sent with every request.

It might be that there is some pipelining going on and there is actually a TCP connection to the server, but it is certainly not necessary for that to be the case. SPDY changes this up a little, too, but it's new.

And anyone with access can sniff the cookie and hijack your session. See also FireSheep. https fixes that.
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July 9th, 2012 at 6:23:50 PM permalink
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