Has a dealer ever payed you on a loss or tie and what did you do if anything?
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Quote: CrapsForever(Side Note, House Edge means nothing to me. "Any 7" pays 4 to 1 Odds, if it hits more than 25% of the time you bet it, you make a profit. I hit the bet a lot more than 25% of the time).
You can't really believe this to be true? This statement makes all future and past statements you make suspect. Over any reasonable time frame you are NOT hitting the any 7 bet greater than 25% of the time. And I'll bet you on this one.....if you want.... but I know you wont....
Typical mistake: the second roll horn high yo roll stays up and hits. I say "thats an old bet" and I still get the payoff.
There was one incident when the dealers made a mistake at a certain strip casino and it was in the house's favor and ALL of the players at the table protested. The shooter had already held the dice for about 15 minutes and the bet stacks were deep when a dealer called a 7 out, when he shouldnt have. Had the tilted die been allowed to fall a number would have shown.
The chips were swept off even as the players protested the call.
The dice were passed to the next player... who would not shoot.
To the next player... would not shoot.
And the next player... would not shoot.
For nearly an hour that table was shut down. When it became clear the error would not be fixed, the players left.
Quote: SOOPOOYou can't really believe this to be true? This statement makes all future and past statements you make suspect. Over any reasonable time frame you are NOT hitting the any 7 bet greater than 25% of the time. And I'll bet you on this one.....if you want.... but I know you wont....
What a troublemaker. Always bringing up facts as though these forum members were cable of intelligent thought .
" "Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency? "
Quote: teddysFuck this morality and honesty bullshit. (Excuse my French). People do what is best for them.
Love it, spot on. Black and white. For anyone with a touch of larceny or dishonesty in them, being honest IS a load of crap. It is nice to see people at least being honest about being dishonest.
Quote: teddysThe most "honest" and "moral" people in New York went on a looting rampage when the lights went out in '77.
I was in NY at the time, a teenager, and I didn't jump into this fray. No one we knew did. Not so much as an iced tea.
Quote: teddysThese were the same people who would correct a cashier's error in their favor. When there's no repercussion, people simply don't care.
No. When there's no repercussion, many people simply don't care about anyone but themselves. THIS cuts through the bullshit and gets to the real fucking story. It's just true about the majority of people.
Quote: teddysSo, of course they will correct dealer errors in the house's favor and let ones in their favor go by. If they don't, they have determined that the social and personal benefit they gain is greater than the money, whether it makes them feel "good" or "proper." Of course a casino dealer and game developer will want to protect his livelihood (the benefit to him is greater by correcting), which is why PGD is the only one who votes "no" in these polls.
No. I don't want or take what I know isn't mine. I'm the same about returning overpayments anywhere. I will say that some of the most honest - as well as some of the worst shot-taking dirtbags - as players - seem to be dealers and floormen playing at casinos. It's very polarizing. Joseph Mengele and Albert Schweitzer were both doctors, you know, "First, do no harm...."
Quote: teddys"There's an absolute morality? Maybe. And then what? If you think there is, go ahead, be that thing. Bad people go to hell? I don't think so. If you think that, act that way." -Ricky Roma, Glengarry Glen Ross.
Saw it, loved it. I don't think bad people go to hell, I don't know. Maybe they get reincarnated to live a broke and miserable life, never catching a break by never giving one; "robbed again, I can't BELIEVE that...."
What I find striking is that people voted differently here than in the quick-mart cashier thread, all, "I would NEVER do that" and "puppies-in-a-basket" over there.
Quote: SOOPOOYou can't really believe this to be true? This statement makes all future and past statements you make suspect. Over any reasonable time frame you are NOT hitting the any 7 bet greater than 25% of the time. And I'll bet you on this one.....if you want.... but I know you wont....
You are probably right.
Quote: buzzpaffI have only one question. Why are you not in VEGAS making a fortune ?
I am not a winner.
Quote: teddys"There's an absolute morality? Maybe. And then what? If you think there is, go ahead, be that thing. Bad people go to hell? I don't think so. If you think that, act that way." -Ricky Roma, Glengarry Glen Ross.
Absolutely love Jack McDonahey's role in that one. Classic. "The WINNER
gets to keep his job".
ps: Wizardo - You can use that one at the Venetian !
Now if the dealer does something stupid like pay me twice, then I will point that out.
In August of 2003 the most corrupt and criminally insane people in New York did NOT go on a looting rampage when the lights went out. These are the same people who would hustle you in three card monte.Quote: teddysThe most "honest" and "moral" people in New York went on a looting rampage when the lights went out in '77. These were the same people who would correct a cashier's error in their favor.
Quote: s2dbakerThe dealer is the arbiter of what is a winning hand. If the dealer says that I've won then I've won even if I think I've lost. If the dealer says I've lost but I think that I've won, then I will appeal the dealer's decision first to the dealer and if that doesn't straighten things out to my satisfaction, then to the pit boss.
No.
The cards and dice are the determing factors; the dealer's a robot who's job is to simply obey the results of the cards and dice.
The dealer does NOT "decide" over an actual game result, even in error, he is to obey and carry out the game result, as indicated by the cards and dice, and visible to the players and to the floor and surveillance alike. And you know this.
If the dealer "decides" that you've won when the cards indicate otherwise, and if you know what the result of the cards and dice are, then you're just as wrong he is, - and quite often YOU KNOW he's wrong.
Certainly now, if the cards indicate that you won, but the dealer says that you lost and he took your money, - do you really say, "oh, well, you're right on this. The dealer's the arbiter of this, and that's okay with me, just fine and dandy with me." Bullshit.
So if you don't claim here that "the dealer's the valid arbiter of a wrong result" when he incorrectly takes your money, you can't also say with a straight face that he's the same valid arbiter when you stick your hand out to take money you know you didn't win or earn. People will try to high hell to justify a "known wrong result as right" - if the direction of the result suits them in that instance, but will never accept a wrong result if it doesn't suit them. They'll say, "Dat's Different." The reality is is that a wrong result is simply that, a wrong result to be brought to correction, regardless of the direction or POV.
If the floor catches the mistake after you take the money, they WILL sir, "Sir, you have to give it back." Are you gonna tell them, "The dealer's the arbiter, and a dealer mistake makes it mine, ALL mine!" ? But you certainly wouldn't tolerate it if "the dealer's mistake makes it his," now would you? Oh, you'll speak up then.
If you'll call and let the pit boss overrule a mistake to make sure that you get paid, to correct a wrong money error, but don't lift a finger to tell the dealer or call the pit boss to return money that you know isn't rightfully yours, again to correct a wrong money error for what it is, then to you this isn't about "correcting a mistake." It's really about taking what isn't rightfully yours, money that isn't rightfully won or earned by you - WHEN you can get away with it.
The cards and the dice are the arbiters of the winning hand and its payouts. The dealer carries this out to the best of his ability, and Surveillance and the floor will back this up. Some players, a very few, don't want a payout they know they didn't win.
Quote: s2dbakerNow if the dealer does something stupid like pay me twice, then I will point that out.
Hold on. If a dealer pays you AT ANY time that you didn't really win it, then he is paying you twice. If you had a straight, and it oficially pays 2:1, but he mistakenly thinks you have a flush, and pays you 4:1, (or twice), - you're gonna keep quiet here?
Quote: MrVI have seen it in action, e.g. a toked dealer "forgets" to take down a come bet if a seven shows on an ensuing comeout.
I'm pretty sure this happened once on my last trip to Vegas. Although honestly I think I had forgotten it until just now. I toke quite a bit when I play craps, so who knows...
