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only1choice
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April 27th, 2012 at 7:10:44 AM permalink
On the rudest thread I commented on my playing style and I would like to elaborate on it. My goal is to win or break even consistently. However I also look forward to attaining an enjoyable experience while playing and again I understand it has no bearing on the results, or does it? I always make some small talk with my dealer and throw out an occasional toke. I play 3 times a week every week except when I bring the wife to a show. I don't know what constitutes an abnormality or an honest mistake but I get payed on a loss or tie approximatively once evey 4 to 5 visits.

Just added: If you received an incorrect payoff did you at any time after the event say anything to the dealer? I have never acknowledged it.
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MrV
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April 27th, 2012 at 7:25:39 AM permalink
I recall reading long ago that one reason to toke is because Mistakes Can Happen; and when you toke, it's a funny thing, but they can happen in your favor.

I have seen it in action, e.g. a toked dealer "forgets" to take down a come bet if a seven shows on an ensuing comeout, or "forgets" to take down a hard way bet if it shows soft.

I too want a pleasant gambling experience, and toking a little bit promotes good will and good service.
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CrapsForever
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April 27th, 2012 at 7:27:52 AM permalink
Interesting.
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
DorothyGale
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April 27th, 2012 at 7:47:47 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

I recall reading long ago that one reason to toke is because Mistakes Can Happen; and when you toke, it's a funny thing, but they can happen in your favor.

That's a good way to get the 5 to 10 "en prison" bonus.

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s2dbaker
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April 27th, 2012 at 8:05:48 AM permalink
Dealers make mistakes in the casino's favor. I don't catch them all. Sometimes they move too fast for me to protest. And by the time I raise a concern, the cards are already stacked in the discard pile. If the dealer makes a mistake in my favor, I'm inclined to let it go since it'll even out in the end and I may be wrong in my assessments.
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Paigowdan
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April 27th, 2012 at 8:15:38 AM permalink
I don't take money I didn't win or earn, or isn't rightfully mine. Any "wrong money" is simply that.
If I don't let dealers underpay me, and hold them to correct play there, then I don't take money that isn't mine by correct play also.
That's how I "average it out"- but not justifying or accepting wrong money decisions in ANY direction that I ever catch.

If I know the play or payout is incorrect, I am responsible for saying something whether or not it's in my favor, - doesn't matter which direction. Matters that something wrong happened, and that I know I took dirty money. I don't say "it's the dealer's job or reponsibility;"
I say if I KNOW that it's wrong money to take, and then I do nothing, then I did something wrong, that is, taking money I KNOW isn't mine, that I did not earn.

For that matter, if a clerk gives me change for for a $20 but I paid her with a $10, I also return the money that I am not entitled to.

I used to think that most people are fundamentally decent and honest. I now know that most people are fundamentally dishonest and larcenous, petty cheats if they can get away with something, and don't give a damn about what is right and decent unless it concerns them in their favor. Most care only in what they can get away with for themselves as they go through their lives. The voting here openly says that this is true. Dealers read people the way book editors read books.
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1BB
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April 27th, 2012 at 9:16:28 AM permalink
I've kept quiet many times with nary a qualm. I've also cheerfully given it back. If the dealer is a jerk I'm keeping quiet. If I think the dealer is trying to help me, I immediately leave the table. I don't want even a hint of collusion.

I was playing blackjack recently and the dealer went out of her way to point out how I ruined different hands. That's what happens when you sit at third base. Usually it's the players but this time it was the dealer. I politely asked her to stop to no avail.

I was dealt a $75 blackjack and she paid me, but forgot to pick up my cards. I took the $112.50 and left the $75 in the betting circle. Miss Know It All finished the hand and paid me another $112.50!

I said nothing and it felt sooooo good!
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
only1choice
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April 27th, 2012 at 9:27:23 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan





For that matter, if a clerk gives me change for for a $20 but I paid her with a $10, I also return the money that I am not entitled to.

I used to think that most people are fundamentally decent and honest. I now know that most people are fundamentally dishonest and larcenous, petty cheats if they can get away with something, and don't give a damn about what is right and decent unless it concerns them in their favor. Most care only in what they can get away with for themselves as they go through their lives. The voting here openly says that this is true. Dealers read people the way book editors read books.



When a clerk gives me the wrong change, I will also correct it because I know it will come out of his/her pocket. That is a big difference from taking a wrongfull payout that is coming out of the casino's pocket.
I take offense that someone that takes an incorrect payoff is a "fundamentally dishonest and larcenous, petty cheats."
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FinsRule
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April 27th, 2012 at 9:49:39 AM permalink
My answer would be both. But there was no choice for that.

Also, I think we've had a thread like this once before. Or was it thirty seven times before. The good news is that Dan can just copy and paste answers from previous threads instead of writing new ones if he so chooses.
texasplumr
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April 27th, 2012 at 10:01:15 AM permalink
I agree with Dan, honesty is black and white. Therefore, I have been dishonest. I have also been cheated, unintentionally I'm sure, by dealers mistakes. I think they pretty much even themselves out.

One time playing pot limit poker at the Golden Nugget I caught 4 Jacks which paid $100.00. The dealer scooped up the cards when everybody but me folded. I had them review the tapes for that one and they paid me.

There's another dealer at the Horseshoe in Bossier City that I refuse to play with because he makes so many mistakes. If he's working relief and relieves the dealer where I'm playing, I'll get up from the table no matter how well or badly I'm doing at the time. I don't know how he keeps a job.
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