I wish Pai Gow Dan was there!

At pai gow table at Santa Fe Station. Newbie dealer, at least to pai gow, and she basically announced it to the table, and apologized in advance if she was slow. She was an older lady, and very friendly. Full table at $5 minimum, but all players betting more, between $10 and $100. All nice players except jerk to my right. He would bet $20 to $40 or so, except hand before he would be allowed to bank he would up to $100. Anyway, there were a few times the table helped the dealer, either on figuring the correct commission, or pointing out the correct house ways. One hand jerk to my right has $80 up, is dealt queens with no top, and the dealer has 8's, 4's, and an ace, clearly a hand where the house keeps the pairs together and puts the ace up. Jerk sees her hand, and convinces her since the 8's are higher than 7's she should split them, and she falls for it. His is telling others to shhh... I feel very uneasy... but stay silent... my hand loses to either set up. A few hands later, he is betting $100, right before his bank turn, and the dealer puts the first pack of cards in the wrong spot, and puts down 2 more packs. I alert her, and tell her that since nobody has touched the cards, she can just move them one spot over. The pit boss comes over and asks what is going on, and I explain it to him, and he politely says that they can fire him but they can't fire me, and he must decide what to do. He says that everything is ok, and the hand can continue. Jerk to my right, looks at his shitty hand, and demands a misdeal! He was well aware of what happenned before he looked at his cards, and I was sure the pit boss was going to tell him to f.. off. To my surprise the pit boss announces that each player can make their own decision if they want to play their cards, or muck them for no bet. I had a huge hand, and to me the hand was dealt fair and square, so I played. The gent to my left was playing 2 spots, had only looked at one of his hands, and he had aces and sevens and he still chose to muck, as he said he didn't feel right playing them. The pit boss reaffirmed that he could keep that hand, and muck the one he didnt look at yet, but the player, betting I think $75 a hand just mucked them both. The next hand jerk to my right banks, everyone keeps their bets up (I lowered mine to $10), and he is dealt jack high pai gow, loses his entire visible bankroll, and storms out without saying a word! I felt the invisible aura of Pai Gow Dan at work!

Ahhh a good story indeed...

Except for all the people on here who say luck doesn't exist... does KARMA exist? I'm going to start a new thread about it.

I don't quite follow what happened but I think its time to mention that Pit Boss to his superiors.

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I don't quite follow what happened but I think its time to mention that Pit Boss to his superiors.

I thought about doing so, but I was not sure who his superiors were. Also, I am not sure his superiors would have been happy with his decision. I did speak to him afterwards, after the table had mostly cleared out, and told him that what he did was outstanding for developing customer loyalty. He made a decision that clearly could have cost his casino in the low hundreds of dollars, but everyone at the table (except the jerk) was impressed, and will not forget.

I think the correct call (by the rules, anyway) would have been to call the entire deal dead.

The second option would be to let individuals decide to play or call the hand dead - before looking at their cards.

Allowing the players to look at their card, and STILL call their hand dead, is the mark of a pit boss that truly wants happy players, and understands the math: I.E. That making that kind of decision only means that the players will be able to sit at the table a few minutes longer.

Outstanding.

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I think the correct call (by the rules, anyway) would have been to call the entire deal dead.

The second option would be to let individuals decide to play or call the hand dead - before looking at their cards.

Allowing the players to look at their card, and STILL call their hand dead, is the mark of a pit boss that truly wants happy players, and understands the math: I.E. That making that kind of decision only means that the players will be able to sit at the table a few minutes longer.

Outstanding.

Agree.. My experience has been that most pit bosses will call a hand dead if no one has looked at their cards yet. By the way, I'm outing PaiGowDan here...
he played a Q53 at 3 card poker... I called him on it before he did it... he had a hunch... I can't remember if it worked out for him... do you remember, Dan?

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he played a Q53 at 3 card poker... I called him on it before he did it... he had a hunch...

Bullsh*t! He saw the dealer's hole card. The truth comes out...

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Bullsh*t! He saw the dealer's hole card. The truth comes out...

too funny.

I lost the Q53 hand to an Ace, and took it like a man. I was gambling again.. Another time I lucked out.
I was also playing the six-card bonus bet, and got four to the Royal, so close.
I had FUN, though the Mrs. was: - "jeez, how did we spend so much?" Gambling, sometimes you win, sometimes you don't, but it's a question of gettin' ACTION. Soopoo was with a requisite hot blond.

I believe in Karma, the no free lunch thing, jerks will be rightfully punished and taught somewhere along the lines.

I would have spoken up, and said, "Ace on top, two pairs down, play it right with no apology," followed by "If you want some dirty money, go stick up a 7-11, jack." I don't want to see improper BS at ANY table I'm at, and if I'm at the table, then yes, it IS my business. Bad joujou players can run, but they cannot hide.

When a player banks, I sometimes put up a huge amount, and say, "Here's your chance."

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I of course was teasing PaiGow Dan about the 3 card poker play. My guess is the EV he gave up was likely less than a penny. I hope you don't mind me saying this, but the reason your wife noticed you lost so much money is likely that you are the biggest tipper per amount bet of any player I have ever played with. When we were playing pai gow poker, if I remember correctly you were each tipping a minimum of a dollar a hand, and I think you were also tipping the dealer a dollar a hand each on the bonus bet, or $4 per deal. I think being on the other side of the table for much of your life has influenced your 'player' tipping behavior. By the way, it was all my pleasure to play with you and your wife and HB.
By the way, Dan, later in the trip I was teaching a lovely young lady the game, and was thus slowing down the table a little. The dealer was also very helpful with the young lady, and she kept playing alone with the dealer's help when I would make a phone call or go to the men's room. When he once tried to pay me on a push, I pointed it out to him, and he pointed one finger at me, and said --- 'thank YOU very much'... I told him how helpful he was with the lady that it was the least I could do... We all have a little PaiGow Dan in us....