Luck or Skill?
March 16th, 2012 at 8:32:21 AM
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Do people believe there is skill to consistenly winning or just luck? The stress the word 'consistently' !
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
March 16th, 2012 at 8:38:30 AM
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The skill is knowing when your luck is running out....
March 16th, 2012 at 8:39:49 AM
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Depends on the game.
A skilled player can consistently beat blackjack, poker, video poker, sports, and horses.
IMO that's it! I didn't include craps- I don't believe the "dice controllers" are legit.
Any "winner" at the other games are/were lucky.
A skilled player can consistently beat blackjack, poker, video poker, sports, and horses.
IMO that's it! I didn't include craps- I don't believe the "dice controllers" are legit.
Any "winner" at the other games are/were lucky.
"I don't have a gambling problem. I have a financial problem."
March 16th, 2012 at 8:42:05 AM
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In slot machines? Luck!
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
March 16th, 2012 at 8:44:02 AM
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In life?
Skill and finesse.
Skill and finesse.
"What, me worry?"
March 16th, 2012 at 8:48:02 AM
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A skilled player can occasionally beat those games, but not always. If that was the case, there would be 10 million professional gamblers running around the country. To be successful at anything you need a bit of luck, ask any sports team that has ever won a championship.
March 16th, 2012 at 9:13:24 AM
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I consistently win. Period. Only play poker, craps, and jumped back into NBA for fun. Check out my documented winning record this week. 5-0. I hit for my usual 30% win in craps this week and won a poker tournament. The craps and poker have been consistent for years. Sports betting is not something that I would brag about because there are too many variables.. but I was put to the challenge this week. I put my mind to handicapping the best games I felt were on the board and I have gone 5 days straight undefeated... There must be more skill than luck involved.... just sayin...
And you too can be a winner.. just buy my new book and cd coming out this spring! Only 19.95, but wait, you will also get a money clip to hold all of the fucking dough you are winning and dont know what to do with! lol just kidding... but not a bad idea.
And you too can be a winner.. just buy my new book and cd coming out this spring! Only 19.95, but wait, you will also get a money clip to hold all of the fucking dough you are winning and dont know what to do with! lol just kidding... but not a bad idea.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
March 16th, 2012 at 3:33:09 PM
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Quote: WatchMeWinI consistently win. Period. Only play poker, craps, and jumped back into NBA for fun. Check out my documented winning record this week. 5-0. I hit for my usual 30% win in craps this week and won a poker tournament. The craps and poker have been consistent for years. Sports betting is not something that I would brag about because there are too many variables.. but I was put to the challenge this week. I put my mind to handicapping the best games I felt were on the board and I have gone 5 days straight undefeated... There must be more skill than luck involved.... just sayin...
5 games is a ridiculously small sample size and proves nothing. It's a start to proving that you are a skilled handicapper, but you have to hit more than...53% I think it is? to beat the house vig on point spread bets. Not saying you can't do it, but there are few who can over a statistically significant time period.
You will find many skeptics of your sustained craps winnings on this board. It's just not possible to win over the long term unless you can influence the dice. If the dice are truly random, every bet has a house edge unless you are cheating (past-posting, etc.). Would you be willing to describe your craps methodology without giving away any proprietary information?
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 16th, 2012 at 4:36:56 PM
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Quote: WatchMeWinDo people believe there is skill to consistenly winning or just luck? The stress the word 'consistently' !
Depends if I believe the game can have skill applied to it or not. Which is pretty much the core nub of a lot of the more passionate debates on the board.
I certainly think sports and poker can have skill applied, and to an extent that you can be favoured to turn a profit.
I think you can apply skill to Video Poker to reduce the house edge to the theoretical minimum.
I don't believe you can apply any skill to craps to reduce the house edge on any bet from it's posted value. Wins there are based on luck.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
March 16th, 2012 at 6:36:30 PM
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I definitely believe people who win consistently have good luck. WatchmeWin, I've read most of your posts here and I have to say I agree almost 100% with your views.
Some people have good luck, most of us don't!
Some people have good luck, most of us don't!
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
March 16th, 2012 at 7:27:58 PM
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I also lose at least 80% of the time I play. However it's not because of luck, it's because of my desired winnings. I'll usually play up to a loss $200 or so but my desired win is in the $400-$500 range. With that goal and my small bets I'm bound to lose way more often than I win, but my wins will be larger. Not much to do with luck over time.Quote: CrapsForeverI quit about a year ago after losing in blackjack almost 80% of the time playing Basic Strategy in the prior 10 years.
Quote: CrapsForeverIn regards to Craps; negative energy definitely affects tables. I know the Mathematicians will say it's BS but it's amazing how a Don't player who walks up to a table destroys the vibe of a good roll or how many times a "7" appears when someone throws cash on the felt during a roll.
This is called Confirmation Bias and it effects almost every feeling and decision you make. For example, a player playing roulette drops his bet in half whenever a new player sits down because he feels it's unlucky. Whenever he would have lost it further confirms his belief. The times he would have won he chalks it up to luck and disregards it. Since the losses are more aggravating than the wins are good, he tends to only remember the times he lost. This just reinforces the bias. There's no magical force at work causing him to lose when a new player sits down.
March 17th, 2012 at 7:29:21 AM
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Yo CrapsForever... Finally there is someone that gets it. I dont need to try and convince anyone of how the game should be played. I just will state that there is a factor of energy on the craps games. You cant see it, hear it, taste it, or smell it, but it is there. Ive said this a few times. Those who dont want to believe it, that is fine, figure your own way to win in the game. I consistently win... there is skill involve in poker, craps, and sports handicapping. They are the only games I would ever venture to play... because I win .. period. Im a winner.
I was recently given a challenge by a fellow member to go against him in NBA picks. He said he had a system and he would go 75%. I told him there was skill involve and any mathematical, statistic, algorithm, etc bs was not going to make him money. I have proceeded to go undefeated 6 days in a row now 6-0... and he is unwinable 0-9. Too funny!
So, given that I have figured out how to apply skill to handicapping, I would suggest to you that I know what I am talking about in my other gaming ventures, which are poker and craps. I win.. period. I wont play any other games. Dont believe in them. Maybe if you are a card counter in the long run... but I dont like the game.
I was recently given a challenge by a fellow member to go against him in NBA picks. He said he had a system and he would go 75%. I told him there was skill involve and any mathematical, statistic, algorithm, etc bs was not going to make him money. I have proceeded to go undefeated 6 days in a row now 6-0... and he is unwinable 0-9. Too funny!
So, given that I have figured out how to apply skill to handicapping, I would suggest to you that I know what I am talking about in my other gaming ventures, which are poker and craps. I win.. period. I wont play any other games. Dont believe in them. Maybe if you are a card counter in the long run... but I dont like the game.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
March 17th, 2012 at 7:48:45 AM
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Just bet DON'T PASS when the negative energy is observed. Then switch to PASS when the negative energy dissipates. Seems obvious to me.
I don't believe it for a second. Whatever energy is present, the shooter is still going to roll a random number.
I don't believe it for a second. Whatever energy is present, the shooter is still going to roll a random number.
"I don't have a gambling problem. I have a financial problem."
March 17th, 2012 at 7:59:50 AM
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You dont have to believe it.. It is probably better for you if you don't believe it so it doesnt affect your play. Just ask yourself honestly... have you been winning consistently on the craps tables?
Management and discipline are a HUGE part of gambling. In addition to knowledge and experience, one should not be on the tables if they can't stop when they are ahead.. not should they be playing if they think they are going to make a huge score every time... waiting for that miracle roll. Just not happening!
Let me ask you this... Do you believe that someone can pick up a wireless phone and talk to someone halfway across the world? If your answer is yes, then you must believe in some subconscious state that energy does exist.. Ill let you figure the rest out.
Management and discipline are a HUGE part of gambling. In addition to knowledge and experience, one should not be on the tables if they can't stop when they are ahead.. not should they be playing if they think they are going to make a huge score every time... waiting for that miracle roll. Just not happening!
Let me ask you this... Do you believe that someone can pick up a wireless phone and talk to someone halfway across the world? If your answer is yes, then you must believe in some subconscious state that energy does exist.. Ill let you figure the rest out.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
March 17th, 2012 at 8:36:28 AM
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Winning...
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
March 17th, 2012 at 8:52:15 AM
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Remember CrapsForever... you are part of that energy. So whatever you are feeling can be a factor. Many times nervous energy is the same as negative... you are doomed if you can't control it. It is part of the laws of attraction... negative and positive must even out at some point.
I personally never play on a crowded table. Never jump in after a long roll. Never jump in the middle of a roll. I like playing with maybe one or two other players, if not just by myself. Im in and out like the wind. Make a few bucks and dont look back. I also jump in anytime I see a Virgin shooter, a gay man, or an innocent woman that is shooting the dice. Pure energy... the gay man part is because they are so happy all the time and arent gamblers.. so no nervous energy.
I personally never play on a crowded table. Never jump in after a long roll. Never jump in the middle of a roll. I like playing with maybe one or two other players, if not just by myself. Im in and out like the wind. Make a few bucks and dont look back. I also jump in anytime I see a Virgin shooter, a gay man, or an innocent woman that is shooting the dice. Pure energy... the gay man part is because they are so happy all the time and arent gamblers.. so no nervous energy.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
March 17th, 2012 at 10:54:29 AM
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Quote: WatchMeWinI dont need to try and convince anyone of how the game should be played. I just will state that there is a factor of energy on the craps games.
So a bunch of screaming craps players creates
a bunch of energy and you think it influences
the dice outcome? Thats physically impossible.
Just like screaming roulette players could influence
the ball.
Whats happening is just what somebody else
pointed out. You only see and remember
selected events that fit what you want to believe.
If creating energy by getting emotional could
change the outcome, a university study would
have proven it long ago and the game would
be gone. Last time I looked the casino still
had a lock on the house edge.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 17th, 2012 at 11:47:10 AM
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I love this topic.
In games where there is a skill factor, skill will help, but skill alone will not make you win. Some examples:
Skill in video poker will be the knowledge to play the hand the best way possible. Whether the RNG cooperates is another matter.
Live poker: skill will help you play and bet your cards, and when to fold. The random shuffle and deal will be the final answer.
Slots: you are at the mercy of the RNG period.
Blackjack: skill will defnitely help you play, but again you are at the mercy of the shuffle.
Craps... ahh, craps. Craps could be a game of 100% skill but few players have the skill to effectively influence the dice. But even if a craps player has the skill to influence the dice there are still random elements in the game.
Bottom line: skill only goes so far to help you win. That's why its gambling.
But skill can help you get so far in other endeavors as well. Why does one singer become famous, and other singer with the same voice and look fail to get stardom?
Why does one actor get the lead roll and a fifty million dollar studio contract while another actor can only get jobs in summer stock?
I've seen luck triumph skill in my own TV industry. Why do some managers get top network positions, and others who are better "managers" suffer in small markets in Iowa??
Life's a bitch and then you die. Or seven out.
In games where there is a skill factor, skill will help, but skill alone will not make you win. Some examples:
Skill in video poker will be the knowledge to play the hand the best way possible. Whether the RNG cooperates is another matter.
Live poker: skill will help you play and bet your cards, and when to fold. The random shuffle and deal will be the final answer.
Slots: you are at the mercy of the RNG period.
Blackjack: skill will defnitely help you play, but again you are at the mercy of the shuffle.
Craps... ahh, craps. Craps could be a game of 100% skill but few players have the skill to effectively influence the dice. But even if a craps player has the skill to influence the dice there are still random elements in the game.
Bottom line: skill only goes so far to help you win. That's why its gambling.
But skill can help you get so far in other endeavors as well. Why does one singer become famous, and other singer with the same voice and look fail to get stardom?
Why does one actor get the lead roll and a fifty million dollar studio contract while another actor can only get jobs in summer stock?
I've seen luck triumph skill in my own TV industry. Why do some managers get top network positions, and others who are better "managers" suffer in small markets in Iowa??
Life's a bitch and then you die. Or seven out.
March 17th, 2012 at 1:31:20 PM
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I dont think youre really gambling at most casino games, just making stupid bets at offered odds.
March 17th, 2012 at 1:37:23 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
March 17th, 2012 at 9:25:49 PM
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Quote: WatchMeWinRemember CrapsForever... you are part of that energy. So whatever you are feeling can be a factor. Many times nervous energy is the same as negative... you are doomed if you can't control it. It is part of the laws of attraction... negative and positive must even out at some point.
I personally never play on a crowded table. Never jump in after a long roll. Never jump in the middle of a roll. I like playing with maybe one or two other players, if not just by myself. Im in and out like the wind. Make a few bucks and dont look back. I also jump in anytime I see a Virgin shooter, a gay man, or an innocent woman that is shooting the dice. Pure energy... the gay man part is because they are so happy all the time and arent gamblers.. so no nervous energy.
I won't play if the ceiling is blue, the carpet is red, I see someone missing an appendage, a girl kisses another girl, an alligator walks through the casino floor, the circus is in town, the total number of people on the casino floor is an odd number, a diseased bird flies into any casino employee (patrons are ok), Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood is on tv, or the bartender is under 5' 6" tall.
If all those conditions are met, only then are the odds in my favor.
<3 Duck
March 18th, 2012 at 3:05:45 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelson
Life's a bitch and then you ... seven out.
Somebody use this as their tag line!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 18th, 2012 at 3:20:59 AM
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Quote: WatchMeWinLet me ask you this... Do you believe that someone can pick up a wireless phone and talk to someone halfway across the world? If your answer is yes, then you must believe in some subconscious state that energy does exist.. Ill let you figure the rest out.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
That is, unless you have a basic understanding of how things like radios work then suddenly, no, no I don't have to believe some subconscious energy exists that magically changes the house edge on craps. Like I said before, it's all confirmation bias; you believe it so you look for things that back you up and disregard all else. If "energy affecting outcomes" were true then Slots managers would suddenly find that their win percentages weren't matching their paybacks over time and all hell would break loose. Not to mention that we'd have tens of thousands of lotto winners each week.
March 19th, 2012 at 12:09:32 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitSomebody use this as their tag line!
I was thinking the same thing! Done and done.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 19th, 2012 at 12:12:57 PM
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Quote: WatchMeWinSo, given that I have figured out how to apply skill to handicapping, I would suggest to you that I know what I am talking about in my other gaming ventures, which are poker and craps. I win.. period.
This logic doesn't follow. Putting aside the whole concept of energy, reading the table, etc. (things I would call "unfounded superstitions"), you're not going to convince anyone that your skill in poker and sports handicapping (mathematically, provably beatable if you are skilled) carries over into craps, which is not provably beatable. Especially if you aren't claiming to influence the dice.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 19th, 2012 at 12:39:46 PM
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I know for those who arent operating with an elevated level of intelligence, it is hard to grasp. Im not trying to sell anything here, Im just telling you my facts. The only way to resolve our differences is to experience it live. I will set up a meeting sometime in Vegas and lets just see who can win.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
March 19th, 2012 at 1:38:21 PM
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Quote: WatchMeWinI know for those who arent operating with an elevated level of intelligence, it is hard to grasp. Im not trying to sell anything here, Im just telling you my facts. The only way to resolve our differences is to experience it live. I will set up a meeting sometime in Vegas and lets just see who can win.
If you cannot be beaten at poker, why haven't you taken this skill to the WSOP and cashed for a life changing amount?
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
March 19th, 2012 at 1:47:40 PM
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If you always win, why are you not making millions of dollars as a professional gambler. Why no endorsements like Phil Ivy and all of the professionals have. In Sports, the best of the best handicappers that make a living do that hit about 58-59% of their plays.
March 19th, 2012 at 2:34:21 PM
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Quote: WatchMeWinI know for those who arent operating with an elevated level of intelligence, it is hard to grasp. Im not trying to sell anything here, Im just telling you my facts. The only way to resolve our differences is to experience it live. I will set up a meeting sometime in Vegas and lets just see who can win.
I'm in Vegas April 14-20. If you are there then I'd love to watch you roll them bones and celebrate your winnings. PM me if you can make it then.
March 19th, 2012 at 2:40:08 PM
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Quote: WatchMeWinI know for those who arent operating with an elevated level of intelligence, it is hard to grasp.
Its not hard to grasp at all. All the people screaming at the
craps table influence the dice. Thats why the house edge
is so small in craps, emotional people.
On planet Zenon...
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 19th, 2012 at 3:17:35 PM
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Quote: WatchMeWinI know for those who arent operating with an elevated level of intelligence, it is hard to grasp. Im not trying to sell anything here, Im just telling you my facts. The only way to resolve our differences is to experience it live. I will set up a meeting sometime in Vegas and lets just see who can win.
Thanks for insulting everyone on the board who doubts your ability to consistently win money at a negative expectation game.
Despite our somewhat acrimonious back-and-forth, I would still love to gamble with you live. However, I feel the need to stress that a few winning craps sessions in person will no more prove your ability to win at craps consistently than your 6 NBA picks prove you are a winning sports handicapper. Sample size, sample size, sample size!
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 19th, 2012 at 6:09:57 PM
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First off...the bewshit spewing from your mouth is not the only tell that you are a major troll.
1. 8 consecutive 8's in a row has a P of 0.00000059621 or 1 in 1,677,260.
2. I don't know anyone...(anyone) who wouldn't take a free $100 if offered to them not to make a bet.
3. You are operating at the opposite of an elevated level of intelligence if you believe that that the odds on any given roll that a 7 appears is anything but 1/6.
4. As a person with a degree in Computer Engineering and having an "elevated level of intelligence" when it comes to the field of telecommunications, I will inform you that speaking to someone halfway across the world is possible through broadcast of ultra high frequency signals. There is nothing "mysterious" about it.
5. Quit making up numbers and stating them as fact. "80% of the time, this always happens"...Ok, where is your data?
1. 8 consecutive 8's in a row has a P of 0.00000059621 or 1 in 1,677,260.
2. I don't know anyone...(anyone) who wouldn't take a free $100 if offered to them not to make a bet.
3. You are operating at the opposite of an elevated level of intelligence if you believe that that the odds on any given roll that a 7 appears is anything but 1/6.
4. As a person with a degree in Computer Engineering and having an "elevated level of intelligence" when it comes to the field of telecommunications, I will inform you that speaking to someone halfway across the world is possible through broadcast of ultra high frequency signals. There is nothing "mysterious" about it.
5. Quit making up numbers and stating them as fact. "80% of the time, this always happens"...Ok, where is your data?
March 19th, 2012 at 8:32:59 PM
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Triplell, your opinions mean absolutely nothing to me. I'm am not a troll...all statements that I make on my gambling experiences are factual, NOTHING is ever made up!
1. 15 Consecutive 8's in a row happened...I was at the table. Don't believe me... I don't care! Didn't someone win the lottery 7 times? What are the odds on
that?
2. You don't know anyone who would not take a free $100 not to make a bet...... too bad!
3. 7's happen 1/6 rolls in a perfect world! We don't live in a perfect world!
4. Doesn't pertain to me.... I did not make the statement.
Blogging/Posting is like therapy for me. If you enjoy reading my posts, great! If you don't enjoy them, skip them!
1. 15 Consecutive 8's in a row happened...I was at the table. Don't believe me... I don't care! Didn't someone win the lottery 7 times? What are the odds on
that?
2. You don't know anyone who would not take a free $100 not to make a bet...... too bad!
3. 7's happen 1/6 rolls in a perfect world! We don't live in a perfect world!
4. Doesn't pertain to me.... I did not make the statement.
Blogging/Posting is like therapy for me. If you enjoy reading my posts, great! If you don't enjoy them, skip them!
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
March 19th, 2012 at 8:40:45 PM
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Quote: CrapsForeverBottom line, I love gambling and sports. I have been following this blog (Wizard of Vegas) for over 3 years
Really. Over 3 years. Its only been here since Oct 2009,
which is 2 1/2 years. The Wiz joined in Oct 2009, yet
you have been following the forum since before
March of 2009. Interesting. Is this as accurate as the rest
of what you have to say?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 19th, 2012 at 8:51:11 PM
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There you go again, BOB. Confusing the issue with FACTS. NO FAIR
March 19th, 2012 at 9:00:55 PM
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Yeah...I told all my friends that Duke and Missouri would get upset in the first round as well. Wonder what that parlay would have paid...
I didn't bet on it though. I mean...I KNEW it was going to happen. I just didn't bet, because..well, I didn't want to..OK! Gawd!
You watched pawn starts and guessed to the exact dollar amount. I mean, I often have a ball-park figure of what is going to be offered...but never to the exact dollar amount. I just must not be as perceptive as you are.
Sometimes, when I'm at the dice table, I'll just have this gut feeling that the next roll is going to be a 7. So I take down all my bets. I mean, the smart thing to do would be to lay every number for $1000 a piece...but I'd rather just take down my numbers.
Finally, I never said that seeing 8 eights in a row is impossible. I was just point out that if you view enough dice rolls, you're likely to see it.
My point, (and PopCan's) is that you are only remembering certain instances because the incident had a greater impact on you.
Last week, I went from catching a straight flush in UTH, to moving to the craps table where I tripled my money. I made about $5000, and it was a good hit. Incident's like this help you forget the time that you blew through $2000 in a night.
Seeing 8 eights is rare, seeing a seven is not. The girl walking up to the table didn't change the outcome of the dice...
EDIT: Just realized you said 15 consecutive 8's in a row...
That probability is 1 in 7,244,150,201,408 or about 38,000 times more rare then winning the powerball.
Sucks that you wasted your "lucky" event in your life on 15 8's, which is worth about $700 on a $30 bet. (That guy who had $15,000 though made about $250,000, which is almost like winning the lottery 38,000 times...
I didn't bet on it though. I mean...I KNEW it was going to happen. I just didn't bet, because..well, I didn't want to..OK! Gawd!
You watched pawn starts and guessed to the exact dollar amount. I mean, I often have a ball-park figure of what is going to be offered...but never to the exact dollar amount. I just must not be as perceptive as you are.
Sometimes, when I'm at the dice table, I'll just have this gut feeling that the next roll is going to be a 7. So I take down all my bets. I mean, the smart thing to do would be to lay every number for $1000 a piece...but I'd rather just take down my numbers.
Finally, I never said that seeing 8 eights in a row is impossible. I was just point out that if you view enough dice rolls, you're likely to see it.
My point, (and PopCan's) is that you are only remembering certain instances because the incident had a greater impact on you.
Last week, I went from catching a straight flush in UTH, to moving to the craps table where I tripled my money. I made about $5000, and it was a good hit. Incident's like this help you forget the time that you blew through $2000 in a night.
Seeing 8 eights is rare, seeing a seven is not. The girl walking up to the table didn't change the outcome of the dice...
EDIT: Just realized you said 15 consecutive 8's in a row...
That probability is 1 in 7,244,150,201,408 or about 38,000 times more rare then winning the powerball.
Sucks that you wasted your "lucky" event in your life on 15 8's, which is worth about $700 on a $30 bet. (That guy who had $15,000 though made about $250,000, which is almost like winning the lottery 38,000 times...
March 19th, 2012 at 9:48:56 PM
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Triplell, Thanks for the respectful reply; I truly appreciate it. I hope I did not come of too snarly in my prior post.
I know people/dealers coming to a craps table can not affect dice but how do I explain losing EVERY single time a specific dealer (Rude, approximately 45 - 50 year old African American Female Dealer) at Trump Plaza comes to my craps table? She's been there for the past 10 years. I know it makes no sense to blame her but I go on such a bad losing streak whenever she comes to my table that I color up and leave immediately no matter how good my session is going. My gambling buddy says the same thing about that specific dealer. She is so negative that she always destroys the vibe and he refuses to play at any table that she is dealing.
Regarding the title post (Luck or Skill) I truly believe that I have bad luck in some casinos; once I confirm this after numerous visits, I do not go back and play at the same Casino. If you ever see me throwing dice in AC....do the exact opposite of whatever I'm doing, most likely you'll leave there rich!
I know people/dealers coming to a craps table can not affect dice but how do I explain losing EVERY single time a specific dealer (Rude, approximately 45 - 50 year old African American Female Dealer) at Trump Plaza comes to my craps table? She's been there for the past 10 years. I know it makes no sense to blame her but I go on such a bad losing streak whenever she comes to my table that I color up and leave immediately no matter how good my session is going. My gambling buddy says the same thing about that specific dealer. She is so negative that she always destroys the vibe and he refuses to play at any table that she is dealing.
Regarding the title post (Luck or Skill) I truly believe that I have bad luck in some casinos; once I confirm this after numerous visits, I do not go back and play at the same Casino. If you ever see me throwing dice in AC....do the exact opposite of whatever I'm doing, most likely you'll leave there rich!
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
March 19th, 2012 at 10:09:24 PM
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You're just an overzealous, superstitious gambler. There is nothing "weird" about you, you're like half the people who play craps.
You hedge you're don't pass bet with a place bet. Are you sure the dealer wasn't calling you an idiot because you were making two completely opposite bets that resolve simultaneously?
Trust me, I can think of many instances where I rolled all night betting minimally. As soon as I raise my bet, it seems that my luck turns.
However, I'm smart enough to know that nothing I do with my bet effects the outcome of the dice. It's all merely coincidental bad luck. Craps players are the most superstitious players because most craps players wager most their money on the Do side. You will see more 7-outs then you will see points being made. It's fact.
You hedge you're don't pass bet with a place bet. Are you sure the dealer wasn't calling you an idiot because you were making two completely opposite bets that resolve simultaneously?
Trust me, I can think of many instances where I rolled all night betting minimally. As soon as I raise my bet, it seems that my luck turns.
However, I'm smart enough to know that nothing I do with my bet effects the outcome of the dice. It's all merely coincidental bad luck. Craps players are the most superstitious players because most craps players wager most their money on the Do side. You will see more 7-outs then you will see points being made. It's fact.
March 20th, 2012 at 2:30:05 AM
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Quote: TriplellSometimes, when I'm at the dice table, I'll just have this gut feeling that the next roll is going to be a 7. So I take down all my bets. I mean, the smart thing to do would be to lay every number for $1000 a piece...but I'd rather just take down my numbers.
Classic. AlanMendelson goes and gives me a good signature, and now I have to go and change it again....
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 20th, 2012 at 10:07:09 AM
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Yo Crapsforever.. I know the biatch you are talking about. I had it out with her last fall at the Plaza.. That is funny. Im surprised she hasnt been fired yet due to complaints. I have played more craps than most people I know. I have never had a problem with any dealer in 20 years... well may be one other... but that chick was just an agry woman.
I was winning.. in and out as I do. She came over to deal in my area. I told her 'off' when she switched over. She didn't hear me the first time. I said it again and again. Finally, right before the shooter rolled the dice, I yelled out, 'what the fuck are you doing over there woman, im OFF! O M G, she looked like she was going to kill me. She gave me some words back and I told her she needed to get happy with her life because she was just an angry woman... to tell you the truth, If I looked like that, I would be agry every day too! lol BTW, yes, the next roll was a 7... but i was off!
I like it at plaza because there is never anyone there... i like emty tables to do my thang.
I was winning.. in and out as I do. She came over to deal in my area. I told her 'off' when she switched over. She didn't hear me the first time. I said it again and again. Finally, right before the shooter rolled the dice, I yelled out, 'what the fuck are you doing over there woman, im OFF! O M G, she looked like she was going to kill me. She gave me some words back and I told her she needed to get happy with her life because she was just an angry woman... to tell you the truth, If I looked like that, I would be agry every day too! lol BTW, yes, the next roll was a 7... but i was off!
I like it at plaza because there is never anyone there... i like emty tables to do my thang.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:25:41 AM
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Winning...
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:28:56 AM
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i can see by your signature why craps victory eludes you...just sayin
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:34:02 AM
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I don't want to offend anyone, but is there a chance that the poster named "WatchMeWin" is the same poster as "CrapsForever".
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:36:06 AM
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watchmewin claims to never lose at craps, so i doubt it
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:37:56 AM
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No offense taken. I am definitely not "WatchmeWin", that poster name is definitely the opposite of my gambling exploits. A more appropriate name for me would be "WatchMeLose"!
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:04:06 PM
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Quote: CrapsForever sig lineParlay all Horn Bets!
Quote: WongBoi can see by your signature why craps victory eludes you...just sayin
I suspect that I have parlayed the vast majority of winning horn bets I have made, and I don't think I have ever lost any money following that horn strategy.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:28:36 PM
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i do not know many people who are ahead on horn bets.
let alone parlayed horn bets.
but if you are, than more power to you!
let alone parlayed horn bets.
but if you are, than more power to you!
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
March 23rd, 2012 at 6:01:54 AM
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I didn't say I was ahead. Didn't you catch the sarcastic catch to my post? Everything I said was true, but I was not supportive of the idea of placing or parlaying horn bets.
March 23rd, 2012 at 6:34:36 AM
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Ohhh ok, (sarcasm can be a little hard to detect online!)
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
March 23rd, 2012 at 6:43:00 AM
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Yeah, I didn't compose it very well. For the benefit of those lost in my obfuscation, I was indicating that even though craps is my favorite casino game, I don't believe I have ever placed a horn bet, and I certainly haven't parlayed one. Thus, I have never lost any money with the parlay-all-horn-bets strategy.
Once, at a casino in Sydney, Nova Scotia, a player asked what a horn bet was. I told him and the couple of other people at the table that I had heard it described (right here) as "a very convenient way to make four stupid bets, all at the same time." The dealers at the table apparently had never heard that, and they really liked it.
Once, at a casino in Sydney, Nova Scotia, a player asked what a horn bet was. I told him and the couple of other people at the table that I had heard it described (right here) as "a very convenient way to make four stupid bets, all at the same time." The dealers at the table apparently had never heard that, and they really liked it.
