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June 21st, 2016 at 5:24:24 PM permalink
State: Ohio
City: Cleveland
Casino: Jack Cleveland Casino


Whenever horseshoe announced that they were selling the Cleveland my wife and I made a trip up to Cleveland from Pittsburgh to make sure we were active in their system. I had read that they were going to convert your CET points into JACK points. We have quite a few RCs from the race a few years ago so we were hoping the match would happen. About a month before the change we received JACK cards in the mail. My wife is CET platinum and they gave her the A card. I am gold so I got the J card. We did receive approx 100,000 points on our card, also had $30 free play, and 2 free buffets. I tried to figure out what their point conversion was and what our points were worth but I couldn't.

We arrived to Cleveland on a Friday around 11am a week after the conversion was done. They in deed replaced every CET sign with Jack signs. I was looking for one that they missed but could.not find one. They only thing that was missed were their parking vouchers. When the voucher printed it still said Horseshoe.

Our first order of business was stop by the kiosk to do the swipe and win promo. My wife won $10 free play and I won a free appetizer to the fancy steak house that in will never eat in. Owell, can't all win. People were really cranky about the swipe and win game. The lady in front of me won free parking but she was mad because she rode the bus.

Parking was $10, you could earn free parking with 1000 slot points or 1 hour of table game play. 1000 points is approx $300 coin in so really it is not too bad. It does suck for the person just using the garage but that is what they are trying to prevent.

They didn't change anything on the inside of the casino at all other than signs. All of the table games were $10 and up. They also have crap less craps. They had an entire table full of crap less craps and 2 tables of craps with 2 and 3 people at them.

So onto a slot machine we went. They have this leprochaun game where the bonus screen is a huge screen above the bank of games. We both like this game so we went there first. I have not seen this game at any other casino. So now it's time to check out our points. Our 100k points got us a total of...... $100 in free play. I was a little disappointed since we have 1k in points with CET. We played for about 3 hours only playing slots and ate our free buffet. I thought the buffet was half decent. It was worth free but I wouldn't pay $20 for it. So after using all our free play we lost a total of $120. We enjoy playing slots, I just don't care about HE when playing them. As long as I get a little play and get some bonus rounds I am happy.

On the way out I stopped by the rewards desk to ask about the conversion. I was told they only converted points that were earned in Cleveland. I didn't think we earned that many ever in Cleveland but maybe we did.

I honestly probably won't ever be back in that casino. The only reason we went in the past was because it was tied to CET and sometimes we needed to make a trip to get some play and keep our points from expiring.

Here is the chip. Crappy pic taken with my phone. The chips were rather dirty for only in use for a week.

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June 21st, 2016 at 6:09:45 PM permalink
Well done, GWAE (if I ignore the typos). Just thought we needed to give you a little motivation for something other than the porch construction. The thread index now includes your chip contribution as the 930th casino represented in the thread!


Edit 8/11/16: I got my identical chip from the Jack Casino in Cleveland and posted it here, along with an image of the chip under UV illumination.
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June 21st, 2016 at 6:38:17 PM permalink
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Well done, GWAE (if I ignore the typos). Just thought we needed to give you a little motivation for something other than the porch construction. The thread index now includes your chip contribution as the 930th casino represented in the thread!



I really hate my phone. It autocorrects words thst I typed correctly into jibberish. Just like in the last sentence. I need to look up to see how to delete my saved words. I don't know if I typed the word wrong once so it now autos it to my incorrect spelling.
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June 21st, 2016 at 9:24:41 PM permalink
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PG, I think you are in exactly the same situation that I am (was). We collected chips that said "Bally's Saloon and Gambling Hall" after (perhaps well after) the name was legally changed to Bally's Casino. However, those were the chips in play at the times we were there. Now, they are using chips that say "Bally's Casino." I think it is perfectly reasonable from the viewpoint of a collector to say that the name of the casino finally really changed in a pragmatic sense when they got around to getting new chips! I now have my souvenir from this "new" casino, and you need to pick one up for yourself.

BTW, how is it possible to drive (assuming that you will be driving) from west-central Canada to Mississippi and not get "anywhere near" Tunica? If you drove right down the Atlantic coast to Florida and slipped westward into Biloxi, I think you would be reasonably near Tunica considering your starting point.     ;-)

Also BTW, I'm trying to decide how late in the day today to wait for GWAE to post his Jack Cleveland chip. Should I just assume he is too busy again working on his porch to do it today? He said, "odds are I will do it on tuesday," but he only promised to do it sometime this week. I have a chip ready to post, but I don't want to jump the gun and give him one more excuse to delay filling his role around this thread! I think maybe we need to tighten up the slack on that guy.


Ok Doc I think that you have convinced me that I should add it to my list. (not for this upcoming trip though) I will be in Mississippi as part of a Lousiana and Oklahoma trip. Which means I will be driving from Shreveport to Bok Homa and then staying in Biloxi again for a few nights, To go to Tunica would add 5 hours of driving to the Shreveport to Bok Homa trip and another nights hotel cost since I have no comps in Tunica, Basically Bok Homa is quite out of the way for me as well but I have two free nights at Harrahs Gulf Coast so I don't mind that one much.

GWAE excellent chip post, I always enjoy your stories and the detail you go into.

P.S good job Doc on the pestering of GWAE, you seem to be able to get anybody to anything on here with enough pestering. :)
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June 22nd, 2016 at 12:07:52 AM permalink
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State: Michigan
City: Sault Ste Marie
Casino: Kewadin


Today's chips of the day come from the Kewadin casino in Sault Ste Marie, MI. Sault Ste Marie, MI is at the eastern end of Michigan's Upper Peninsula, an is across the Saint Mary's River from Sault Ste Marie, ON. Between the two cities, the area's population is about 100,000. The casino has a 39,000 sqft gaming floor with 800 slots and 15 table games. The Sault Ste Marie Tribe of Ojibwa Indians operates this casino as well as several satellite properties in the UP. Those casinos - in Christmas, St. Ignace, and Manistique - use these same chips. There is also a slots-only facility in Hessel.



This seems so weird to me. The Ho-Chunk casinos use (essentially) the same design for all 3 locations with table games, just with the city changed. But here, it seems they use chips that say Kewadin - SSM for chips all their locations.

I might actually have to call before I venture up to this area. On one hand, it would be much easier to only visit SSM and get the chip and be done. But rdw's visit was a fairly long time ago and I would be *pissed* if it turns out they now have location-specific chips. (MGOH doesn't appear to support that).

I have to give rdw a LOT of credit for hitting all these locations. I started mapping out the far Northern WI and the UP locations and it gave me a headache. I'm not really a wing it type person and I don't really want to be wandering around there at night if I can avoid (not dangerous, just harder to see on unfamiliar roads, etc).

It's strange as it occurs to me that despite having lived here my whole life, I've never been further west in the UP than Iron Mountain or further north than following the highway to the Mackinac Bridge. So once I figure out how to do this, it'll be fun to enjoy the drive.
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June 22nd, 2016 at 5:57:08 AM permalink
State: Mississippi
City: Sandersville
Casino: Bok Homa


Bok Homa is the third casino of the Pearl River Resort of the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, along with the Golden Moon and Silver Star. Those latter two are across the road from each other, while Bok Homa is some 80 miles or so to the south.

If you were to trust the Bok Homa web site, you might even have some trouble establishing just where the casino is located. The site claims that the casino is in Heidelberg, MS but also refers to it as being “near Laurel, MS.” In truth, the closest town is Sandersville, so that’s what I have listed in the header of this post.

The web site did provide some useful/interesting information that “Bok Homa” is Choctaw for “red creek.” It also provided some un-useful/confusing “information” that the casino offers both slots and video poker while it does not mention table games at all. That matches up well with the first I ever heard of this casino, in this January 2012 post by teddys, in which he initially suggested that I check it out and then added an edit: “Never mind, they don’t have table games.”

Well, four years and five months later, they finally do have table games, or are at least in the process of getting them. The table for my favorite game (craps, of course) was being installed on the day of my visit, so I was stuck playing a few hands of blackjack.

At the casino, I learned that I had been mispronouncing the name of the establishment. The “Bok” is properly pronounced as “boke” not like the “bock” that I had been saying.

Of course, the purpose of the visit was to collect a souvenir chip, and I did accomplish that, more or less. The chips in use do not say “Bok Homa.” Instead, they say “Pearl River Resort.” I suspect that similar chips may also now be in play at the Golden Moon and/or the Silver Star, but the chips I collected at those facilities clearly designate the names of the individual casinos. I am arbitrarily going to define my new souvenir as being my Bok Homa chip, since that is where I got it in play. (I hope this paragraph doesn’t discourage PokerGrinder for his upcoming trip to the area.)

A dealer and pit supervisor said that their only chips that say Bok Homa are the non-denomination-designated markers used at the roulette table (real “chips” rather than the “cheques” that are discussed in this thread.) The casino folks are hesitant to let those out of the casino. There was a thread here a couple of months ago about people getting arrested for “fake” chips at the real Monte Carlo casino in Monaco. After some confusion in the originally-linked news report, the post that explained what was really going on is here. That pretty much explains why they don’t want roulette chips walking out the door, and possibly coming back later.

Today’s chip or cheque or whatever is a white RHC Paulson design with four edge inserts, two each in blue and brown. The center inlay has several graphics that I do not understand plus a header of “Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians”, an establishment name of Pearl River Resort, followed by a very fine line that says “Casinos and Hotels | Chocktaw, MS,” followed by the denomination mark in white outlined by black.

OK, so the chip says the location is Choctaw; the website says that Bok Homa is in Heidelberg near Laurel, while I have said it is in/near Sandersville. Did I mess up there? Is this perhaps not really a Bok Homa chip?

Well, let’s just attribute it to some degree of confusion. The chip I posted for the Golden Moon says that it too is located at Pearl River Resort in Chocktaw, MS, although the chip from the Silver Star directly across the road from the Golden Moon says that it is located in Philadelphia, MS. I can’t recall: Did I ever promise consistency? Did the Choctaw?

Under UV light, the chip reveals the repeated name “Pearl River.” As is often the case, there is an error (actually two adjacent ones), in the usual place. If you haven’t been down this road with us before, search through that fluorescing text for misspelled words.

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June 22nd, 2016 at 2:22:26 PM permalink
BrewfanGB I have done the rounds of all the Michigan and Wisconsin casinos as well and it is a beautiful drive. I did the trip November 2014 I believe, all the Kewadin casinos used the same chips.

Doc I will still visit Bok Homa because I want to go to Waterview and because I have two free nights in Biloxi but I am definitely disappointed by the chips that they have at Bok Homa. If I didn't have the free nights I might have postponed going there since it is out of the way. I will keep track of the chips and hopefully they will get their own chips eventually which would bring me back there to collect an actual Bok Homa chip.

Btw great write up Doc, I am assuming you have just the WaterView to present to us after this?
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June 22nd, 2016 at 3:20:55 PM permalink
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I am assuming you have the just WaterView to present to us after this?


Yep, except "just the" instead of "the just".

My addled brain had me thinking that because I collected four new chips on this trip and have only posted two, then I must have two more to post. Nope. You took care of the Scarlet Pearl last January.

I just now edited my first post after your Scarlet Pearl post (next page following) to provide the images of the chip under UV light, so that folks can see the fluorescing, hidden images. Check it out, if you are interested in that.
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June 22nd, 2016 at 6:06:19 PM permalink
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Yep, except "just the" instead of "the just".

My addled brain had me thinking that because I collected four new chips on this trip and have only posted two, then I must have two more to post. Nope. You took care of the Scarlet Pearl last January.

I just now edited my first post after your Scarlet Pearl post (next page following) to provide the images of the chip under UV light, so that folks can see the fluorescing, hidden images. Check it out, if you are interested in that.


Error fixed thanks professor... I mean Doc :)
I checked out your UV image, looks good. Nice addition to my post on Scarlet Pearl.
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June 23rd, 2016 at 1:42:42 AM permalink
Thanks, PG. That will save me a lot of time.
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June 23rd, 2016 at 11:26:05 AM permalink
State: Mississippi
City: Vicksburg
Casino: WaterView


The WaterView (yes, spelled as one word with the W and V both capitalized) is the former DiamondJacks (yes, one word with the D and J both capitalized) riverbarge casino docked at the east bank of the Mississippi River, just under a mile upstream from the I-20 bridge. Even earlier (up until 2006) the facility was known as an Isle of Capri casino.

I previously posted my chip from DiamondJacks here, but I think I missed my (possible) chance of picking up an Isle of Capri chip on my first chip-hunting visit to the city in April 2006.

Sometimes I try to make comments about who really owns a casino for which I am posting the chip. Often, that info seems to be so muddied that it might take a team of lawyers to formulate a reasonable guess. One piece of data that I stumbled across in preparing this write-up was a Trademarks page that says that WATERVIEW (yes, all caps) is a “Word Mark” of Casino Vicksburg, LLC, with “WATER VIEW” (two words) being called a “Pseudo Mark”. Make of that what you will.

As I understand (or misunderstand) the history, DiamondJacks went bankrupt not once but twice. The second time, ownership was acquired by the debt holders who had provided funding to keep it operating after the first bankruptcy. Foundation Gaming Group, LLC had previously been operating the casino (along with the DiamondJacks in Bossier City) for the bankrupted owners of the facility. In October 2015, they released an announcement that they would acquire the casino themselves through an affiliate (Casino Vicksburg, LLC, maybe ???), using funds loaned by the same debt holders that they were purchasing the place from.

If all of that is correct, it still sounds a bit like a risky situation. Who was responsible for the failures that led to the bankruptcy, the old/old owners, or the gaming group that had been operating the place for them, i.e., the new/new owners? I guess that time will tell, whether their grand plans pan out or there is a third bankruptcy on their watch.

I confess that I don’t remember the details of the DiamondJacks casino well enough to describe what has been changed thus far in the latest morphing of the facility. I just played craps there a while, lost some money, and collected a souvenir chip.

The chip is a white RHC Paulson mold with two triplet edge inserts, each in olive, orange, and fuchsia. Or provide your own names for those colors. The slightly-undersized center inlay is blue, with a nicely-creative logo that combines a W and V over a background water wave. The establishment is listed as WaterView Casino & Hotel, with the denomination mark below that and followed by the city and state at the bottom. Both sides of the chip are the same, except when I examine them closely, the colors of the edge inserts on the other side seem to show up in a reversed order for some reason. :-)

UV light reveals that none of the clay components fluoresce, while showing a repeated WaterView name on the center inlay. Yes, there is the expected misspelling, but it is not in the usual location on the inlay. Have fun with it!

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June 23rd, 2016 at 5:26:53 PM permalink
Cool chip, very nice design. I always enjoy your write ups Doc and I think everyone can tell how much work you put into them. We need to send you driving through Oregon and Washington now so that we can keep the posts in this thread going. Mrs. Doc will be up for that right?

On a similar but different note it was announced today that DiamondJacks in Bossier City has officially been sold and will stay with the current name for the time being. I am hoping long enough for me to get there next month at least, From the sounds of the article they will probably rebrand at some point as the DiamondJacks brand is clearly a failure.
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June 23rd, 2016 at 5:49:02 PM permalink
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We need to send you driving through Oregon and Washington now so that we can keep the posts in this thread going. Mrs. Doc will be up for that right?

I think I have reported this around here previously: At one time, we planned to purchase a travel trailer and make extended trips around the US & Canada. In such a mode, Oregon and Washington would be simple -- we might have hit most of the Canadian casinos before getting there.

We bought a tow vehicle (V8 SUV). We bought a condo in NC as a home base and sold our house in GA. We picked out several nice candidates for the travel trailer.

But we never bought it. We've now been in NC for 8 1/2 years. We love the SUV and the condo and our neighbors, but we completely dropped the plans for being big-time RVers. Some day we might make it to some casinos in the northwest, but I don't think it will be a lot of them or any time soon. We can't even make definite plans for that proposed loop of Ohio, eastern Michigan, Ontario, and New York for this summer, and I haven't bought plane tickets or made hotel reservations for the Tahoe trip we have discussed. Sometimes it's hard to get old fogies moving.
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June 23rd, 2016 at 6:11:37 PM permalink
I think I remember you mentioning something about the RV. I was only kidding with you about going around the NW because well I couldn't resist. I wonder if the new owners of the DiamondJacks in Bossier have anything to do with the new owners of the other DiamondJacks.
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June 23rd, 2016 at 6:37:48 PM permalink
Also Doc do you have any idea why it is taking SOOOOOOO long for Gold Strike in Jean to rebrand to Road House? It has been at least six months now, I don't get what the hold up is!
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June 23rd, 2016 at 7:21:56 PM permalink
Re: Gold Strike in Jean. I have no facts. My blatant speculation is that, just as it's hard to get old fogies moving, it might be hard to get casino owners excited about spending money on a place in the metropolis of Jean. If the place is operable and generating some income now, to what extent can you justify investing further in it right now as opposed to waiting until later? I really dunno.
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June 23rd, 2016 at 8:10:37 PM permalink
That would be fine and I wouldn't have batted an eyelash if they had just kept the old name but they have already changed parts of the casino including the players club and I believe one of the restaurants to the new name. Just seems silly. It would be like me painting my house and doing half of it, getting bored and never painting the other half. It would just look silly.
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June 24th, 2016 at 11:00:57 AM permalink
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That would be fine and I wouldn't have batted an eyelash if they had just kept the old name but they have already changed parts of the casino including the players club and I believe one of the restaurants to the new name. Just seems silly. It would be like me painting my house and doing half of it, getting bored and never painting the other half. It would just look silly.



Signs are expensive. According to the website, the sale was completed on April 30, so it actually hasn't been tooo long. It makes sense to work on the things that generate play once folks are in the door since it is very unlikely that the "Terrible's" brand name on the sign outside will generate more traffic than the current "Gold Strike". I don't think changing to Terrible's made any difference in Primm, it actually was worse.
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June 27th, 2016 at 7:08:36 PM permalink
Aye I didn't realize that was when the sale was finalized cause it was early January when they had an article saying that the changes were to be made. I get that the new name won't generate more revenue, my interest in the name change is selfish as I am sure you know I just want a new chip lol. I have actually been to Gold Strike twice, the first time to get a chip and then I stopped on my way back to Vegas from LA a couple years ago when I was living in Vegas. That second trip was a very positive one as I think I won about $500 playing $10 BJ so I have happy memories from the property.

On another note we have news coming out of Bossier for the second time this week. First was the news that DiamondJacks sold and I am assuming will be renamed. The second batch of news came today that the Poarch Band of Creek Indians from Alabama bought the closed Margaritville Casino and plans to reopen it. I am not sure if they plan on keeping the name or not but either way I will head that way when it reopens as I never collected a Margaritaville chip before it closed. This is the same tribe that just opened the casino that Doc and I were trying to figure out if they would have tables, We She Shu Casino in Gardnerville, NV. They also own and operate 3 casinos in Alabama that I believe are Class II as they don't have tables.
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June 27th, 2016 at 7:12:26 PM permalink
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State: Mississippi
City: Vicksburg
Casino: WaterView


Oh also Doc you forgot to add this to the index.
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June 27th, 2016 at 8:29:29 PM permalink
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Quote: Doc

State: Mississippi
City: Vicksburg
Casino: WaterView


Oh also Doc you forgot to add this to the index.

Well, dang!

Senility strikes again. I would have sworn I had added that one, but you are correct that I had not. Only guess I have is that I forgot to click the "Save" button when I finished the editing. Post #1 still showed that my last edit was prior to posting that WaterView chip.

The deficiency has now been corrected. Thanks.
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June 27th, 2016 at 8:44:19 PM permalink
I'm happy to report that I collected 8 chips in Puerto rico, 7 of which have not been posted before (the 8th is the Marriott Stellaris, which has already been presented here https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/8928-casino-chip-of-the-day/85/#post339096
Hopefully I'll get around to posting them starting about a week later.
Edit: removed the ), and link works now.
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June 28th, 2016 at 6:35:02 AM permalink
Excellent! I look forward to seeing them and hearing of your experiences there.


Edit: It appears that the final ")" on your link results in a click there taking the viewer to the top of the page, rather than to the chip post you intended. That post is located here.
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June 28th, 2016 at 7:27:34 AM permalink
Cool Konbu, hopefully the trip went off without a hitch. Was it hard to map out all the casinos? I remember you mentioning that it was more difficult than doing it for a trip in North America.

This thread is being revived lol? I should have a few to add early July if my trip happens as planned. At this rate we might have 50 new chips this year lol :)
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June 28th, 2016 at 7:50:44 AM permalink
It's not hard, it's just I wasn staying long and had other thing to do. But in the San Juan area even casino parking isn't free, so if you drive it will cost additional
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June 28th, 2016 at 9:30:20 AM permalink
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It's not hard, it's just I wasn staying long and had other thing to do. But in the San Juan area even casino parking isn't free, so if you drive it will cost additional


What did you do take buses?
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June 28th, 2016 at 9:55:12 AM permalink
Yes, I will explain more later.
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June 30th, 2016 at 1:50:59 PM permalink
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State: California
City: Gardena
Casino: Normandie


Today's chip of the day comes from the Normandie card club in Gardena, CA. Gardena is an LA suburb, and is also home to the Hustler card club. Normandie has 68 tables, including several poker variations, PGP, PG tiles, baccarat, blackjack, and 3CP.

Here's a picture of the property:



I played BJ at Normandie. I didn't write down all the rules, and their website also doesn't list them. I did note, and the website does confirm, that BJ pays 3:2. That's very rare in California card clubs, so I assume that some other rule(s) must be quite restrictive to offset that payout. As variance would have it, I lost my $60 buyin without experiencing a payout on a BJ, though I did manage to make it take about 45 minutes before I'd lost that money.

The MOGH lists this chip as a house mold. It looks a lot like Bud Jones chips that we've seen from other casinos, like the Hacienda in Boulder City. I assume that the MOGH's classification of this chip is incorrect.



According to the guy in cashier's cage, the Normandie will be rebranded on July 18, 2016. The new chips are supposed to be available at that time, but I didn't notice the usual "You have 30 days to cash in your chips" signage that usually precedes these events.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 10:29:58 AM permalink
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I've added relevant labels to the map. As you can see, The Crazy Moose is a lot closer and has Ultimate Texas Hold'em. Further down the road (actually a steep hill) is 220th St. Bingo. Bingo has been one of my favorite gambling activities. I started playing in 2002 (I was 23 years old).



Responding to older post. You know, since my great Grandma, Grandma and Mom all dragged me to Bingo throughout my life, it's hard to consider it gambling and not a place to smoke your brains out and gab. Well, you used to be allowed to smoke.

Is there AP at a bingo parlor?

edited for spelling.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 10:39:41 AM permalink
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Excellent! I look forward to seeing them and hearing of your experiences there.


Edit: It appears that the final ")" on your link results in a click there taking the viewer to the top of the page, rather than to the chip post you intended. That post is located here.



Doc, this is one of the coolest off topic 'topics' on Wov. I love collecting things. (dust bunnies under ones bed is NOT a collection, it's family.) But anyways, I don't yet know how to look up what's already posted but do you have a place for a Detroit chip? Came through Detroit once and it's a $5 Greektown and very nice looking. I'd have to do both sides.

edit: And whats with the UV photo's.

Thanks.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 10:45:52 AM permalink
RDW did GT.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 10:47:39 AM permalink
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RDW did GT.



So, I shouldn't do my $5 Greektown chip? Did his have construction guys on the back?
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July 2nd, 2016 at 11:05:22 AM permalink
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So, I shouldn't do my $5 Greektown chip? Did his have construction guys on the back?


They have over 50 different scenes on their chips.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 11:06:26 AM permalink
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State: Michigan
City: Detroit
Casino: Greektown



Today's chip of the day comes from the Greektown casino in Detroit, MI. The casino opened in 2000. According to Casino City, it has 2,600 slots and 62 tables on a 100,000 sqft gaming floor. Greektown is in downtown Detroit. I'm sure someone can correct/confirm this, but I think it's actually in the Greektown neighborhood. I know the casino has BJ, craps, roulette, PGP, and 3CP. I think there was also UTH and casino war. The casino's website very helpfully lists their offerings as "(obvious games)..and MORE!"

I visited this casino in September of 2011. I was doing the Great Race promo through Harrah's, and I'd arranged a stopover in Detroit to play at Windsor. While I was in Detroit, I stopped at the casinos on the US side of the border. I thought Greektown was nice enough. It's several steps below the native casinos in rural MI, but still above average. At some point on this trip, my rental car was damaged while I was not in it. This seems the most likely place, as the parking lot was somewhat more cramped than the others that I used on this trip. I won a small amount playing BJ at Greektown.

Here's a picture of the casino:



My chip from Greektown is a Paulson RHC. There's a lot of edgewear, and some dirt that I couldn't clean off. I like the colored torch logo, which carries over to several places/items in the casino as well.


Here's his post on GT.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 11:13:47 AM permalink
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State: Michigan
City: Detroit
Casino: Greektown



Today's chip of the day comes from the Greektown casino in Detroit, MI. The casino opened in 2000. According to Casino City, it has 2,600 slots and 62 tables on a 100,000 sqft gaming floor. Greektown is in downtown Detroit. I'm sure someone can correct/confirm this, but I think it's actually in the Greektown neighborhood. I know the casino has BJ, craps, roulette, PGP, and 3CP. I think there was also UTH and casino war. The casino's website very helpfully lists their offerings as "(obvious games)..and MORE!"

I visited this casino in September of 2011. I was doing the Great Race promo through Harrah's, and I'd arranged a stopover in Detroit to play at Windsor. While I was in Detroit, I stopped at the casinos on the US side of the border. I thought Greektown was nice enough. It's several steps below the native casinos in rural MI, but still above average. At some point on this trip, my rental car was damaged while I was not in it. This seems the most likely place, as the parking lot was somewhat more cramped than the others that I used on this trip. I won a small amount playing BJ at Greektown.

Here's a picture of the casino:



My chip from Greektown is a Paulson RHC. There's a lot of edgewear, and some dirt that I couldn't clean off. I like the colored torch logo, which carries over to several places/items in the casino as well.


Here's his post on GT.



I don't know for sure if my $5 is older or newer, but mine is much nicer, and the front is different with Detroit, Mi included on the front and the title runs into the edges. So, they must have many diff types all the time. Plus, if one is going to do a two shot, shouldn't it be front and back? A double shot of the front doesn't seem that useful. But I appreciate that of post of Detroit and his effort for sure. And thanks for the response too. EDIT: Now thinking about it, maybe that WAS the back too. Oops.

And, I'm sure after 600 pages almost this question was asked, but, do the casino actually want you walking out with chips? I wonder how much it costs Casinos to replace lost chips from Wov hoarders? lol
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July 2nd, 2016 at 11:18:51 AM permalink
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I don't know for sure if my $5 is older or newer, but mine is much nicer, and the front is different with Detroit, Mi included on the front and the title runs into the edges. So, they must have many diff types all the time. Plus, if one is going to do a two shot, shouldn't it be front and back? A double shot of the front doesn't seem that useful. But I appreciate that of post of Detroit and his effort for sure. And thanks for the response too.


The one he posted is an original chip from before there were any souvenir chips. Both the front and back are identical. Remember, later this year the name change to "Jack Casino" will go into effect and will have all new chips.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 11:22:28 AM permalink
Just found this on a whim to research if I can get year tags of casino chips. Wonder if there are collectors willing to pay at least face value for defunct chips?

http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/greektown-chips-what-happens-to-them.10716/

And their gallery is amazing.

Okay, just saw iba's response just now. Dang time warps.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 11:25:06 AM permalink
They've been listed on eBay.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 11:31:07 AM permalink
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They've been listed on eBay.



Guess so. I think the real money is being a chip manufacturer.
This could get real expensive if one has to sit down at a table or craps and buy in.
So my $5 is a souvenir type issue? Then I'm assuming casino already figure in a loss factor with physical chips? Or actually make them like some sort of advertising?
This is all very interesting.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 11:36:04 AM permalink
I highly doubt they cost more than $5 to make. Now the 25¢ chips on the PGP and baccarat tables might cost more to make than face value.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 11:46:53 AM permalink
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I highly doubt they cost more than $5 to make. Now the 25¢ chips on the PGP and baccarat tables might cost more to make than face value.



Oh, I'm sorry, I just meant collector value, as in the face value for a bid start. I'm sure making chips is probably a pennies per chip thing.

I would imagine there's a bunch of security measures embedded in chips as well, so that may add to the production cost.

I just looked at my chip and noticed there's a September 3rd, 2001 at the top. Should use my glasses.
That alone may add some sort of collectors value, yes?

Also, I think what I'm posting is going off topic so I'll stop on this thread and look around or start another thread. Sorry.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 1:10:49 PM permalink
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But anyways, I don't yet know how to look up what's already posted but do you have a place for a Detroit chip? Came through Detroit once and it's a $5 Greektown and very nice looking. I'd have to do both sides.

edit: And whats with the UV photo's.


I'm a bit slow picking up on this discussion, but I'll try to answer a few of the questions....

As for what's already been posted, its easy to find that if you look at the index, which is in the first two posts of the thread. On any page of the thread (such as this one), go to the top or bottom where it lists the page numbers and click on "First". That will take you to page #1 and post #1, where you can see all of my original comments about the intent of the thread, my subsequent comments about changes/updates, and then the index, where you can click on any casino name and be taken directly to the post about that casino and chip. Because of limitations in this forum, the index eventually had to be split over two posts.

As for your souvenir chip, you are quite welcome to post the image in this thread if it's something we haven't seen before and if you have/had the chip yourself -- please don't just go collecting chip images around the web and posting them here. If it is from a casino that has already been discussed, such as Greektown, you don't need to follow all of the formatting issues to make it a "formal" chip-of-the-day post -- just show us the chip! Then tell us anything more that you would like to say about the casino and/or the chip. If possible, I will add a note back near where that casino was first covered to let the folks who might look there know where you have posted your images.

As for the UV photos, those are to show the hidden information on the chips: logos, and other stuff that can only be seen under UV light and is presumably there to help distinguish real chips from possible counterfeits. Some of it is interesting/amusing, particularly the chips where the hidden image is a repeated word, often with a deliberate misspelling somewhere among the repeated words.
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I'm sure making chips is probably a pennies per chip thing.

I would imagine there's a bunch of security measures embedded in chips as well, so that may add to the production cost.


Yes, perhaps these things only cost "pennies per chip", but it might be a fair number of pennies. It's my understanding that even in mass quantities, the high-quality chips cost something close to a dollar each, and that's for the ones that do not have an embedded RFID tag.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 1:24:17 PM permalink
Thanks Doc. So, I take it that the casinos aren't exactly trying to give chips away. I didn't see anything in some of the UV photos posted so I did wonder why it was done.

I own this chip and I will take pics and just post it straight. Since there's no real story to it and I got it just visiting Detroit. My friend may even have given it to me when he took me there. I don't recollect.
We were having a lot of fun hitting bars before the casinos.

The link to the Detroit Greektown chips displayed a nice post as well.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 1:48:42 PM permalink
Certainly casinos want you walking with $5 and higher chips. Ever notice they will have special ones for grand openings and chinese new year. Those are almost always $5 chips. They aren't making tons of money with chips walking but they certainly arent losing it.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 1:57:39 PM permalink
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I didn't see anything in some of the UV photos posted so I did wonder why it was done.


As an example, take a look at this recent post of my chip from the WaterView casino in Vicksburg, MS. Click on the UV image of the chip so that you can see it larger and see all of the stuff that isn't visible in the other image (which you can also click on to see larger, if you like).

Perhaps it's just that in the 180x180 pixel images you can't see the details. That's why I provide the larger images for folks that are interested in clicking on them.

BTW, can you find the deliberate misspelling on that chip?
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July 2nd, 2016 at 2:01:31 PM permalink
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BTW, can you find the deliberate misspelling on that chip?


I "F"ound it.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 2:04:36 PM permalink
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I "F"ound it.

Hmmm.... Maybe, and maybe not. I'm not certain what you are referring to.

Here's a big hint: In that UV image, with the repeated "WaterView" name, one time it is spelled as "WatreVeiw". Now can you find it?
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July 2nd, 2016 at 3:00:10 PM permalink
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Hmmm.... Maybe, and maybe not. I'm not certain what you are referring to.

Here's a big hint: In that UV image, with the repeated "WaterView" name, one time it is spelled as "WatreVeiw". Now can you find it?


Yeah, I see it. The E in the one under the AT in the misspelled word looks like an F. Could just be the shading and magnifying it from my phone.
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July 3rd, 2016 at 8:06:56 AM permalink
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As an example, take a look at this recent post of my chip from the WaterView casino in Vicksburg, MS. Click on the UV image of the chip so that you can see it larger and see all of the stuff that isn't visible in the other image (which you can also click on to see larger, if you like).

Perhaps it's just that in the 180x180 pixel images you can't see the details. That's why I provide the larger images for folks that are interested in clicking on them.

BTW, can you find the deliberate misspelling on that chip?


Found it right off the bat, in the logo area.
Wonder if something as simple as that catches counterfeiters?
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July 3rd, 2016 at 8:27:21 AM permalink
I suspect that adding the hidden images that are exposed by UV light is a reasonable additional security measure against counterfeiters, except that I have difficulty believing that there are counterfeiters who bother trying to produce $1 chips.

On the other hand, if someone is ambitious enough to be producing counterfeit chips in profitable denominations/quantities and even including the hidden UV images, I would be totally amazed if a deliberate misspelling on the real chips was sneaky enough to stop them. I have speculated several times in this thread that such things just have to be for the amusement of someone in the chip manufacturing industry. (Or maybe to entertain/amuse nerdy chip collectors!)
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