Quote: NicksGamingStuffMost of the downtown casinos serve terrible coffee, I know the one at work is instant coffee from one of those machines.
Ugh! Sorry to hear that.
I had the notion that with a largely Hawaiian cleintele, and restaurants serving Hawaiian food, they'd ahve some half-decent Kona (which at half*decent it would be pretty good still).
Oh, well. Enough highjacking.
The casino's own web site says they belong to Cannery Casino Resorts. At least one list of casino ownership says that it belongs to Paulos, Wortman, and Mendenhall. Another site says that Paulos and Wortman own Millennium Management Group, including a subsidiary called Millennium Gaming, Inc. which owns 58% of Cannery Casino Resorts, with the other 42% belonging to Oaktree Capital Management.
Further reading suggests that in 2007, Cannery Casino Resorts was sold to (James Packer's) Crown, LTD of Australia. These are the folks who, through Fountainebleu Resorts, developed the Fontainebleu Las Vegas almost to completion, at least on paper, and to a pretty fair extent in steel and concrete before declaring that venture bankrupt.
Yes, some of that stuff on the web is out of date or just is unreliable as all of the other debris on the information superhighway. But it does make me wonder: Whatever happened to the days when a casino belonged either to some multibillionaire like Howard Hughes or to some small-time schmuck who was fronting for the mob?
Quote: Wavy70The Cannery is a section of San Francisco by Fishermans wharf. Strangely I Always found the Cannery theme to be more 30 -40s industrial.
Yes, I am familiar with the Cannery in San Francisco, between Fisherman's wharf and Ghirardelli Square. It started off as a Del Monte peach canning facility. Earlier in this thread, the Wizard indicated that the Barbary Coast Casino was named for "a formerly seedy section of San Francisco", so I suppose that the name of the Cannery Casino could have originated there, too.
I have no info on this at all, but I wondered whether there had been some kind of industrial canning operation on the site where the casino has been constructed. The girl shown on the chip is holding some kind of can. I had difficulty reading the label, but I can confirm from looking at their web site that it says, "Liberty Brand". There are several companies with the "Liberty" name, but I am not familiar with one in canned goods. Does that name mean anything to anyone?
I thought maybe the Wizard would re-join the thread and give us the answer, but maybe not.
Quote: DocBut it does make me wonder: Whatever happened to the days when a casino belonged either to some multibillionaire like Howard Hughes or to some small-time schmuck who was fronting for the mob?
I think you can blame about 3 groups and 4 people on that one. Actually, from what I understand, Sam and Bill Boyd were asked to take over the Stardust when the FBI discovered (or more likely proved) a skimming an operation going on there. They found out the casino was making a ton of money that wasn't being realized because of mob involvement. From then on, the "squeaky clean" image was in.
Around this time, Mr. Steve Wynn decided to leave Atlantic City because of squabbles with government officials over the Golden Nugget property in AC. He used some of the money in that sale to get the Mirage started. Out were the old roadside casinos and now the MEGA RESORT with upscale amenities and family friendly activities was in.
Of course, years later Wynn would create a bunch of few casinos that would eventually get grouped together and sold to Mandalay Group/Circus Circus, while MGM was aggressively building new casinos. These two would merge; all the while Harrah's is quietly acquiring properties in other states before landing the grandaddy of them all; Caesars Entertainment. Now the "casinos as an investment" philosophy was in.
Add to that (a very minor piece of the puzzle) Oscar Goodman's involvement and ties to the mob, who becomes Mayor, and I think it became difficult to be a front for the mob. As for the high profile multi-billionaire, I think that still exists, but it's not some eccentric who's holed up in the Desert Inn. Sheldon Adelson, Jackie Guaghan (who is kind of holed up in ElCo), Steve Wynn, and the Maloof family are all wealthy individuals who own or owned a single casino.
Yes, Tiltpoul, I know about the corporate casino, leveraged buyout, excessive debt phenomenon, with MGM and Caesars being the big boys in Las Vegas. It just seems that places like the Cannery Casino have had so many changes in ownership with companies and subsidiaries moving around that it is almost as if someone is trying to hide something from the general public. I guess I don't really care, since I am not an investor in this business, but it doesn't seem all that unreasonable to be able to know going into a place whether it (mostly) belongs to or is managed by Kirkorian, Adelson, Wynn, Loveman, Gaughan, Hughes, Binyon, Siegel, or whomever. I like the idea of having a human face/name to associate with a business, even if I don't anticipate ever meeting them personally.
Quote: DocI like the idea of having a human face/name to associate with a business, even if I don't anticipate ever meeting them personally.
There's something to be said about that, I agree. Unfortunately, as casinos expand, they become business first, personal recognition second. Compare it to the retail world. Wal-Mart, Nordstrom and the like have wiped out Mom and Pop businesses that were able to provide the personal, one-on-one service. Different state commissions probably aren't too keen on the idea of one person owning the casino. The only one that comes to mind was Don Barden and Majestic Star, as his face was plastered on everything. Then again, Trump's name was the casino across the walkway, so I suppose there was competition for recognition in that arena.
Quote: BeardgoatThanks doc.
You are welcome, and welcome to the forum. You may discover that there is currently some caution regarding new members here because of a recent avalanche of spammers joining the site. That is a problem that is being addressed. Assuming that you are not one of those, I think you will find a lot of good information, occasional bickering (though hopefully never in this thread), and a pretty sharp set of members posting here.
If you have read through the thread to this point, you will have noticed that (1) in the first post of the thread there is an index of links to posts where I have included images of chips and (2) I have invited/encouraged everyone else to post their images of chips from the same casinos if they have ones that are different from mine. Once my supply is all posted here, I will be inviting everyone else to post images of chips from casinos I have never visited. I have asked folks to hold off on that for now so we have a chance to maintain at least some organization to the presentation, but I hope you will join in with your collection at the appropriate times.
If you have chips from casinos that we have already covered and would like for me to add your images (with full credit to you) to the points in the thread back where I posted mine, contact me by private message, and we can work that out. I have already done that for chips that rdw4potus has in his collection but didn't have the images available right when we started.
If you want to know how I got started, you need to re-read my long, rambling post about the Bellagio chip. Sometimes my posts get so long-winded that it is difficult for the reader to maintain focus.Quote: BeardgoatJust a question that maybe I missed but how did you start collecting?
City: Carson City
Casino: Carson Nugget
So after making that comment in the previous post, I will provide the next Casino Chip of the Day with slightly fewer words....
There is an old Well-I-didn't-know-that! factoid that Los Angeles, CA is farther east than the capital of Nevada. Since most folks don't even remember the capital of Nevada, this catches many of them by surprise. In any case, today's Casino Chip of the Day is the first one in this thread from Carson City.
I have only visited the Carson Nugget once, on my way back to Lake Tahoe from a Saturday afternoon of touristy wanderings in Virginia City. I played craps at a table manned by two dealers, and my records show I came out a wonderful $10 ahead for that session. I remember that the biggest thing going on around the place was the hubbub of activity related to the band that was moving equipment in for their show that evening.
The crap table had a little placard, beside the one showing table limits, that said very plainly, "No dice setting." I set the dice my usual way every time that I threw them, and nothing was ever said of it. In fact, the two dealers were having a conversation about a regular player and the orientation in which he always set the dice. Nice to know that they post their essential rules where everyone can see them.
I once owned a 1974 Chevy Vega that was very nearly the same hideous orange as the Carson Nugget chip shown below. I think it's a color that can only be loved by fans of Syracuse or Clemson. And maybe Tennessee.
This is an example of the bottom-of-the-barrel version of top hat and cane chips that I mentioned a few days ago. It is not the lowest quality chip in my collection, in my opinion, but it is close. It is single color with no edge inserts and no center insert. When the craps dealers understood that I was keeping a souvenir chip, they searched through their rack to find me a "good" one. This good one shows plenty of chipping on the edges, but at least you can read the hot stamped denomination and name/city of the casino. The bulk of the $1 chips at the table had been worn almost completely blank in the center area.
I don't remember whether they used this hot-stamp design for all of their chips or just for the $1 ones. As I noted a couple of days ago, the Gaming Partners International web site promotes this design for $0.25 and $0.50 chips.
This is one of the only cases I can think of where the $5 chip is partly metal, but the $1 chip is not.
Quote: rdw4potusThis is one of the only cases I can think of where the $5 chip is partly metal, but the $1 chip is not.
Harrah's Atlantic City is the same way.
Quote: rdw4potusThis is one of the only cases I can think of where the $5 chip is partly metal, but the $1 chip is not.
What I find really interesting is that the Carson Nugget apparently goes for ugly chip designs.
Quote: NareedWhat I find really interesting is that the Carson Nugget apparently goes for ugly chip designs.
How to put this...umm...they complement the design of the casino beautifully?:-)
Quote: rdw4potusHow to put this...umm...they complement the design of the casino beautifully?:-)
Well, ugly can be a theme, right?
On a trip report, of sorts, I wrote about my first time in vegas, I wrote that the theme in Harrah's seemed to be "camp" :)
Your $5 chip and my $1 chip are definitely of quite different designs. Do you (or anyone here) know the manufacturer of your $5 chip? I can't even think of the name of that repeating pattern around the perimeter, and I don't think I have seen it on any of the manufacturers' web sites I have looked at.Quote: rdw4potusThis is one of the only cases I can think of where the $5 chip is partly metal, but the $1 chip is not.
Quote: NareedOn a trip report, of sorts, I wrote about my first time in vegas, I wrote that the theme in Harrah's seemed to be "camp" :)
Don't you have fond memories of Buck and Winnie?
Quote: DocDon't you have fond memories of Buck and Winnie?
I woulnd't go so far as to say "fond," but it does make me smile. And the dog is cute.
Quote: TIMSPEEDHaha, I have fond memories of playing BlackJack all night at the $2 table at Carson Nugget...
Do you happen to know when they started closing the tables overnight?
Quote: rdw4potusDo you happen to know when they started closing the tables overnight?
They do that?! Wow...I don't know..the last time I really played in Carson City was probably in 2007...so...who knows
The BJ their struck me as odd...as they didn't burn a card, and they dealt to the ABSOLUTE BOTTOM of the deck, EVERY TIME.
LCV = Long Cane Version. The tip of the cane does not extend below the brim of the hat.
SCV = Short Cane Version. The tip of the cane extends below the brim of the hat.
RHC = Reversed Hat and Cane. Every fourth image is reversed. The image is right next to the edge of the chip.
I guess that blows my "secret security feature" theory.
Quote: zippyboy
The Caesars Magical Empire was a dinner/entertainment show similar to Excalibur's Tournament of Kings. Ran from '96 to 2002 when it was discontinued in favor of building Celine Dion's concern hall. Caesars had one of the best sportsbooks in town years ago, but now it's one of several nice ones. Very cold and sterile poker room imo. I had an excellent lamb burger at Mesa Grill about 7 years ago. Nice Diamond Lounge.
I picked up the Caesars Tahoe chips around the same time, mid-90's. Casino closed in 2005 and became the MontBleu.
I was gambling at Ceasars on Saturday after the first final 4 game. I was surprised to see green Magical Empire chips since I know it shut down for awhile. Is it common to see such old chips in play or was I just seeing things? I wasn't even drinking while playing.
Quote: TIMSPEEDThey do that?! Wow...I don't know..the last time I really played in Carson City was probably in 2007...so...who knows
The BJ their struck me as odd...as they didn't burn a card, and they dealt to the ABSOLUTE BOTTOM of the deck, EVERY TIME.
I got there at about 1:50am on a Tuesday in September. They let me play for about 10 minutes, then closed the pit. I didn't ask about the weekends, but maybe it's 24 hours then?
Quote: rdw4potusI got there at about 1:50am on a Tuesday in September. They let me play for about 10 minutes, then closed the pit. I didn't ask about the weekends, but maybe it's 24 hours then?
Quite possible...definitely a smart idea to close the pit during the weekdays as business is so slow it doesn't really warrant a pit being open. I know GoldDustWest closes the pit graveyard...Hence me going over to CCNugget to play...
Edit: It's not. It think I know what it will be, but I won't take a try at guessing from someone else.
Quote: 1BBI added ... a white chip from Revel in Atlantic City.
It will be six or seven months before this thread reaches the New Jersey casinos, so we'll look forward to seeing your Revel chip then. I don't know whether I will get to AC before then to get a chip of my own. Was there a special "Grand Opening" chip?
Since you have been there already, you can probably answer a question that I saw raised in another thread: How is the name of the hotel/casino pronounced? More like "devil" or "repel"?
Quote: teddysI wonder if the next chip will be Casino Fandango ... wouldn't that be something ...
I mentioned somewhere in this thread that I have Casino Fandango alphabetized under "F", without having a full explanation to offer. It is now about #20 in the queue, so it will be a while before that one shows up, some time shortly before WoVCon][.
Quote: DocI mentioned somewhere in this thread that I have Casino Fandango alphabetized under "F", without having a full explanation to offer. It is now about #20 in the queue, so it will be a while before that one shows up, some time shortly before WoVCon][.
So will Westin Causarina come in at C, because if so, that might be next. Otherwise, it will be under W, which will be a long time coming. I believe the chip says Causarina on it.
Quote: teddysI wonder if the next chip will be Casino Fandango ... wouldn't that be something ...
Edit: It's not. It think I know what it will be, but I won't take a try at guessing from someone else.
I'll venture Circus Circus Las Vegas, then CC Reno...
Quote: Tiltpoul
I believe the chip says Causarina on it.
It does.
There are four chips in my collection that come between now and Casuarina: CasaBlanca, Casino 93, Casino Royale, and Casino West. Doc strikes me as a man who's visited Mesquite, so I bet CasaBlanca is next. I'm not sure what to do with the "casinos named casino" rule here, either. I can't see filing the others under West, Royale, and 93...
Quote: rdw4potusIt does.
There are four chips in my collection that come between now and Casuarina: CasaBlanca, Casino 93, Casino Royale, and Casino West. Doc strikes me as a man who's visited Mesquite, so I bet CasaBlanca is next. I'm not sure what to do with the "casinos named casino" rule here, either. I can't see filing the others under West, Royale, and 93...
Exactly why I guessed we'd skip on to cI, rather than go to "Casino ____"
However, I didn't know CasaBlanca in Mesquite...
Wow, you went to Yerington. We may be the only two people in the world to have been there for touristic purposes.Quote: rdw4potusCasino West. \.
Quote: teddysWow, you went to Yerington. We may be the only two people in the world to have been there for touristic purposes.
Yes, I went to Yerington. I'm an open BJ table in Battle Mountain away from closing out NV:-)
Quote: TiltpoulSo will Westin Causarina come in at C, because if so, that might be next.
I have that one sorted under "C", but it's not next in line. It will come up before I head out of town the middle of next week.
As for what will be tomorrow's Casino Chip of the Day, you'll have to wait and see. The only hint I will offer now is that I suspect very few of our forum members have played at that casino. We'll have to wait and see about that, too.
Quote: rdw4potusThere are four chips in my collection that come between now and Casuarina: CasaBlanca, Casino 93, Casino Royale, and Casino West.
Quote: rdw4potusYes, I went to Yerington. I'm an open BJ table in Battle Mountain away from closing out NV:-)
The posts seem to be coming in a flurry faster than I can read and reply. Seeing these two posts from rdw4potus, I will overrule my previous post and give another hint: There seems to be a contradiction between his two quoted claims.
Yes, as we have discussed before, there is some difficulty with the casinos named Casino _____ . The only one I have sorted by "Casino" is "Royale", which just doesn't sound right by itself. If I had a Casino West chip, that would probably be in the "C" section, too.
Quote: DocI have that one sorted under "C", but it's not next in line. It will come up before I head out of town the middle of next week.
As for what will be tomorrow's Casino Chip of the Day, you'll have to wait and see. The only hint I will offer now is that I suspect very few of our forum members have played at that casino. We'll have to wait and see about that, too.
Ha! I just remembered what casino it is...but I won't spol the suprise...I've actually hit a royal there...before they took out their Flush Attack's :( (and changed their whole decor)
Quote: AyecarumbaI learned something new today thanks to the "ChipGuide" FAQ: Paulson's "Top Hat and Cane" design can be found in three flavors. They are classified as LCV, SCV, and RHC.
LCV = Long Cane Version. The tip of the cane does not extend below the brim of the hat.
SCV = Short Cane Version. The tip of the cane extends below the brim of the hat.
RHC = Reversed Hat and Cane. Every fourth image is reversed. The image is right next to the edge of the chip.
I guess that blows my "secret security feature" theory.
I meant to reply to this post earlier, but I had read it on my phone and hate to try posting in that manner. Then, I forgot after I got back to my computer.
Thanks, Ayecarumba, for providing the answer about the different top hat and cane designs. Thanks also for providing a resource link for info on chips.
Quote: DocThe posts seem to be coming in a flurry faster than I can read and reply. Seeing these two posts from rdw4potus, I will overrule my previous post and give another hint: There seems to be a contradiction between his two quoted claims.
Doc! I would curse you, but you probably just saved me a trip later... There are at least two casinos left on my list. More if a third (also between here and Casuarina) re-opens their pit.
Quote: DocIt will be six or seven months before this thread reaches the New Jersey casinos, so we'll look forward to seeing your Revel chip then. I don't know whether I will get to AC before then to get a chip of my own. Was there a special "Grand Opening" chip?
Since you have been there already, you can probably answer a question that I saw raised in another thread: How is the name of the hotel/casino pronounced? More like "devil" or "repel"?
The chip is very plain and not a grand opening one. Perhaps there will be one for the official opening on Memorial Day weekend. The casino's name is pronounced revel as in revelation.
Quote: rdw4potus... More if a third (also between here and Casuarina) re-opens their pit.
If that third one is the one I am thinking of, I already have it mentioned in my draft for tomorrow's post. I was hoping you would have a chip to post now, since I don't.
Quote: DocIf that third one is the one I am thinking of, I already have it mentioned in my draft for tomorrow's post. I was hoping you would have a chip to post now, since I don't.
I just found my chip from one of the casinos I was thinking of. Turns out I did go there! I'll mock myself and the casinos memorability when the time comes...