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May 26th, 2016 at 1:05:32 AM permalink
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yes indeed, moderation is for suckers.

Also, doesn't it sound like fun to drive from Cincinnati to Chicago to Green Bay, then through the UP to Traverse city, then over to Detroit, Toledo, and Cleveland? What a wonderful way to spend a week!



Oooh. This is a good plan to nail all the MI spots and at least the NW IN and NE IL casinos.
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May 26th, 2016 at 1:58:41 AM permalink
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Good advice, thanks. Never thought of asking at the players club. Also, the idea of grabbing 60 chips for $5 just to have for like a home game, etc would be pretty cool. I'll have to see if I can get to Nekoosa in time. Final date for the chips in the Dells is 10/31, I think, so maybe I'll make my trip there after that.



I'm going the lazy route here, but wondering if anyone knows after the switch out for the Ho-Chunk casinos, do the 3 locations that have table games have their own chip? (Likely the same/similar design but with the location on the chip, like those that appear in the index?)

I really do not want to drive to Nekoosa, Black River Falls and the Dells only to find all 3 are exactly the same.
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May 26th, 2016 at 5:23:31 AM permalink
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I'm going the lazy route here, but wondering if anyone knows after the switch out for the Ho-Chunk casinos, do the 3 locations that have table games have their own chip? (Likely the same/similar design but with the location on the chip, like those that appear in the index?)

I really do not want to drive to Nekoosa, Black River Falls and the Dells only to find all 3 are exactly the same.



The Ho Chunk chips are identical except for the name. Here's what Nekoosa's looks like:


And here's black river falls:
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May 26th, 2016 at 9:01:36 PM permalink
Hmm. They look exactly the same as they did before the supposed "new chips". Didn't that happen in summer 2014? Or are these the "new" chips and Summer 2014 was the "drop-dead" date for cashing in old chips?

Sorry for being dumb.
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May 27th, 2016 at 5:33:51 AM permalink
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Hmm. They look exactly the same as they did before the supposed "new chips". Didn't that happen in summer 2014? Or are these the "new" chips and Summer 2014 was the "drop-dead" date for cashing in old chips?

Sorry for being dumb.



I guess I'm not quite sure. Those were the most recent chips that the Museum of Gaming History had (http://themogh.org/cg_state2.php?id=WI&ct=&s=casino) If there are NEW new chips, maybe they aren't released yet so the MoGH doesn't have them yet.

Nekoosa opened as a new casino, so it was always Ho Chunk Gaming - Nekoosa. BRF used to be Majestic Pines, but that name change (and, I think location change - they moved up the street?) was before 2014. It looks like there's a newer chip than the one I have for the Baraboo casino.

I have this one.

The new one looks like this.


Maybe this is the only one of the casinos that has "new" chips?
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May 27th, 2016 at 3:46:34 PM permalink
The ones you posted for Nekoosa and BRF have the same design with a different background color. I'm guessing those ARE the new chips. I had the Summer 2014 date in my head, but I'm sure now that was just the date to redeem chips of the old design. I just wanted to be sure that all 3 locations didn't use exactly the same chip.
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June 1st, 2016 at 1:29:32 PM permalink
I had posted about a month ago that my collection had every available chip to collect in Nevada and I said that wouldn't last long... it didn't.
Chip and Token Report from the NGC for April has new chips for the Grand Lodge in Incline Village that I visited cause they told me that they had new chips when they really didn't yet. Also and this one is weird to me, the El Capitan in Hawthorne has ordered a whole new set of chips, the thing is that they don't have tables and haven't for a long time. Obviously you would think that they plan on bringing back the tables but I can't seem to find anything confirming that from their own site or otherwise.

That makes two new chips to collect along with Roadhouse in Jean if they ever actually fully change the name. It is taking them forever to do!

Edit: I just found a Yelp review from 2 weeks ago from someone who stayed there and was thrilled that they have brought back BJ, weird that El Capitan's site still says they only have slot machines.
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June 1st, 2016 at 2:02:18 PM permalink
I guess the over on me posting the cleveland chip is the winner. I am shooting for this Sunday to do it.
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June 2nd, 2016 at 8:22:57 AM permalink
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Chip and Token Report from the NGC for April has new chips for the Grand Lodge in Incline Village ....

Also and this one is weird to me, the El Capitan in Hawthorne has ordered a whole new set of chips....
Edit: I just found a Yelp review from 2 weeks ago from someone who stayed there and was thrilled that they have brought back BJ, weird that El Capitan's site still says they only have slot machines.


I have the Grand Lodge on my chips-to-get list, and I will check it out when I get out to Lake Tahoe, hopefully before weather starts getting cold again. I added El Capitan to my list, but I don't know that I will wander out as far as Hawthorne.

Have you seen any confirmation that the Nugget (formerly John Ascuaga's Nugget) in Sparks has chips that just say "Nugget"? The new owners' web site shows the new name, and they are listed that way in CasinoCity.com, but the MoGH Chip Guide still shows only the old name and chips saying "John Ascuaga's Nugget", with an additional listing of an old Nugget casino in Sparks that closed in 1960.
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June 2nd, 2016 at 10:02:43 AM permalink
The Nugget in Reno has been just the Nugget for over a year now if I remember correctly. The website along with all signage inside or out of the casino just says Nugget. I think I mentioned to you that I stayed at the Nugget in April and checked the chips. They were still using the old ones and have not replaced those chips since April. I will keep you posted if and when I find out that they have finally brought in new chips for the new name.
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June 3rd, 2016 at 1:26:24 AM permalink
New WaterView chips are available and they are very nice looking. Somebody posted them on the chip board on MoGH but they are not listed under WaterView Casino as of yet.
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June 3rd, 2016 at 8:28:02 AM permalink
I expect to be there less than two weeks from now, so I should have at least one chip image posted right here in under three weeks, if no one else does that first.
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June 3rd, 2016 at 8:38:18 AM permalink
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I expect to be there less than two weeks from now, so I should have at least one chip image posted right here in under three weeks, if no one else does that first.


Two weeks? Ya I'm going to definitely beat you there :p I swear I'm getting in my car right now... Ok maybe that's a lie, who knows really?
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June 3rd, 2016 at 9:28:16 AM permalink
Well, come on down and join us! Unless something has changed, I expect to see another WoV member a day or two later in Tunica. You could join us there, too.

(That's what is known as calling a bluff.)
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June 3rd, 2016 at 12:26:40 PM permalink
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Well, come on down and join us! Unless something has changed, I expect to see another WoV member a day or two later in Tunica. You could join us there, too.

(That's what is known as calling a bluff.)


Are you saying that my poker face isn't very good? I would actually take you up on that offer as I will be heading that way in the next couple months on a collecting trip. I haven't decided exactly when yet but I definitely won't be able to be there in two weeks as I am taking a baseball trip with my dad. (No casinos, I know weird right?)
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June 3rd, 2016 at 12:56:25 PM permalink
Trip...without...casinos? What the...:-)
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June 3rd, 2016 at 1:52:53 PM permalink
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Trip...without...casinos? What the...:-)



Hallucinations from McNugget withdrawal... hehe
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June 3rd, 2016 at 4:38:19 PM permalink
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Trip...without...casinos? What the...:-)


I have been to all the Minneapolis area casinos and none have a decent poker game because of state laws. So if I can't play poker and there are no chips to collect so I really don't see the point in going to the casino.
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June 3rd, 2016 at 5:25:16 PM permalink
Turtle lake's game is ok (in WI). Spread limit at running aces isn't awful. And super comfy chairs.

Could always check Canterbury and running aces to see if any of the carny games have +ev progressives.

Going to look at the prince shrine at first Ave when you visit target field?
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June 4th, 2016 at 12:46:33 AM permalink
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Turtle lake's game is ok (in WI). Spread limit at running aces isn't awful. And super comfy chairs.

Could always check Canterbury and running aces to see if any of the carny games have +ev progressives.

Going to look at the prince shrine at first Ave when you visit target field?


Turtle lake is 90 minutes each way lol, I will definitely not be that hard up that I need to play that badly. I am not big on the carny games, if I am not collecting chips, or social gambling I don't like to play -EV games for the hell of it.
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June 4th, 2016 at 8:21:25 AM permalink
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I had posted about a month ago that my collection had every available chip to collect in Nevada and I said that wouldn't last long... it didn't.

And now there is an announcement of another opportunity. I just read yesterday's post in the Las Vegas Advisor announcing the renaming (date unspecified) of the Monte Carlo as Park MGM.
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June 4th, 2016 at 10:01:10 AM permalink
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And now there is an announcement of another opportunity. I just read yesterday's post in the Las Vegas Advisor announcing the renaming (date unspecified) of the Monte Carlo as Park MGM.


Sorry Doc you are wayyyyyy late on this one. :)They announced that they were going to rebrand the Monte Carlo I believe it was last summer, they weren't sure when yet but they said they would be doing it. It's been on my list for about a year I think. Also I might have forgotten to post it here but about 2-3 months ago there was an article written where they leaked the planned new name as Park Casino. Actually the article said Park Place Casino.
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June 6th, 2016 at 11:04:12 AM permalink
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I expect to be there less than two weeks from now, so I should have at least one chip image posted right here in under three weeks, if no one else does that first.


I am thinking of being in the Biloxi area for a couple of days late July/early August if anyone is interested in setting up a WoV meet up.
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June 6th, 2016 at 12:26:47 PM permalink
That's the same general period we have in mind to head to Ohio, Michigan, Ontario, and New York. I think Canadians must have a strange notion about when it is best to travel toward the north and when is best to travel to the south.      ;-)
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June 6th, 2016 at 4:37:28 PM permalink
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That's the same general period we have in mind to head to Ohio, Michigan, Ontario, and New York. I think Canadians must have a strange notion about when it is best to travel toward the north and when is best to travel to the south.      ;-)


I travel a lot year round so I normally don't worry about when and where as per seasons.
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June 7th, 2016 at 12:59:16 AM permalink
NGC report for May is out and the Nugget in Sparks has new chips, just in time for... oh wait no I was there two months ago... Sh!t.

The NGC report also mentions new chips for Mizpah Club in Tonopah and Scoreboard Lounge in Spring Creek. This is confusing as neither seems to have table games... oooo I like mysteries!
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June 7th, 2016 at 6:34:18 AM permalink
I still don't have dates set firmly for our trip to Reno/Tahoe, but it's likely to be in September. If you haven't made it there yet, I'll get/post the chip from the Nugget in Sparks then. Both Tonopah and Spring Creek are outside my expected travel radius for that trip -- I'm still thinking about getting to El Capitan in Hawthorne, but that one's not certain.
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June 7th, 2016 at 7:35:56 AM permalink
I have no plans at the moment. I would be surprised if I was back in Reno in the next couple of years. There really isn't much for me in the area except a couple casinos. Las Vegas to Reno is a long drive to make for a couple chips.
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June 7th, 2016 at 8:30:47 AM permalink
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Las Vegas to Reno is a long drive to make for a couple chips.



Winnipeg to Oklahoma, on the other hand...:-)
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June 7th, 2016 at 9:41:52 AM permalink
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Winnipeg to Oklahoma, on the other hand...:-)


Well partly cause of you that trip will be for over 50 chips. Well worth the drive. 8 hours to Reno for two chips might be a tad silly.

Wait a second! Is the guy that did most of California in one trip mocking my collecting trip?
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June 7th, 2016 at 10:16:58 AM permalink
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Well partly cause of you that trip will be for over 50 chips. Well worth the drive. 8 hours to Reno for two chips might be a tad silly.

Wait a second! Is the guy that did most of California in one trip mocking my collecting trip?



haha. yes. then I went back to Cali for the chips that I didn't get the first time. I basically had to repeat the circle for like 4 additional chips. I'm still missing everything north of the bay area & 3 chips from SoCal (Bruce's, Tommy's, the new casino by Joshua Tree). Plus whatever the Hustler will be called now, I guess.

Is it only 2 reno chips? I think the 2 from last month and the 2 from this month make 4, right? so at that pace it'll be a dozen chips by the time you're back over there!
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June 7th, 2016 at 10:34:00 AM permalink
3 possibly 5. Nugget Sparks, Grand Lodge and El Capitan. The two I listed yesterday I have my doubts about though. Actually add one more. Paiute Palace in Cali will be on my next trip to Reno as it is nowhere near any route trough Cali casinos.

Seems like forever since you mentioned collecting. Are you retired?
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June 7th, 2016 at 11:49:28 AM permalink
I remembered reading a while back that there were plans to build a new casino in Biloxi that I thought was being named Biloxi Pointe. Turns out it will be built by the tribe that owns Foxwoods and will be called Foxwoods Casino Biloxi.
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June 7th, 2016 at 12:11:34 PM permalink
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3 possibly 5. Nugget Sparks, Grand Lodge and El Capitan. The two I listed yesterday I have my doubts about though. Actually add one more. Paiute Palace in Cali will be on my next trip to Reno as it is nowhere near any route trough Cali casinos.

Seems like forever since you mentioned collecting. Are you retired?



Not retired, but all of my vacation time this year is spoken for. So no time for trips. Also, those trips are getting sillier and sillier. I have most of OK. I have most of NV. I've done the whole midwest (except for the new OH names). I did SoCal and I did AZ. Maybe next summer I can go to MA/RI. Or back to MS again. or to BC/WA/OR/northern Cali.
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June 7th, 2016 at 12:35:24 PM permalink
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Not retired, but all of my vacation time this year is spoken for. So no time for trips. Also, those trips are getting sillier and sillier. I have most of OK. I have most of NV. I've done the whole midwest (except for the new OH names). I did SoCal and I did AZ. Maybe next summer I can go to MA/RI. Or back to MS again. or to BC/WA/OR/northern Cali.


You have all the low hanging fruit as Doc says. At this point I think you have all the medium hanging fruit as well. What's your collection at? You must be over 600 now. I would vote that you do BC/WA/OR/N.Cali as it is a beautiful part of the country.
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June 7th, 2016 at 1:12:22 PM permalink
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You have all the low hanging fruit as Doc says. At this point I think you have all the medium hanging fruit as well. What's your collection at? You must be over 600 now. I would vote that you do BC/WA/OR/N.Cali as it is a beautiful part of the country.



Did you just admit that Canada is the 51st state? I think you did! or, BC, is at least:-)

I would love to do all of the Northwest in one trip, but I think that trip would take at least 10 days. Not sure if I can swing that without getting swung at.
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June 7th, 2016 at 1:43:01 PM permalink
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Did you just admit that Canada is the 51st state? I think you did! or, BC, is at least:-)

I would love to do all of the Northwest in one trip, but I think that trip would take at least 10 days. Not sure if I can swing that without getting swung at.


Whoops you caught me, my mistake. Better do that trip before we build the Trump wall to keep Americans out after Trump is elected lol.

The swinging before without getting swung at might be tough. Remember Muhammed Ali said float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Don't be stinging your fiancé that's illegal but you might want to learn to float like a butterfly if you try and do that ten day trip. :)
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June 16th, 2016 at 4:23:34 PM permalink
Got a fun little trip plan next week. Unfortunately won't give me anything new here to post but will get my collection up to 81 chips on the current 99 chip frame I'm trying to fill (my 4th). Should have 5 or so FL casinos on a trip in August to post chips in here.

My itinerary:
Day 1: FLL>MSP. Phish concert in Minnapolis, summer tour opener.

Day 2: Drive to Running Aces Harness Park > St. Croix Casino Turtle Lake > Ho-Chunk Gaming Black River Falls > Ho-Chunk Gaming Nekoosa > Ho-Chunk Gaming Baraboo/Wisconsin Dells where I'll be staying overnight.

Day 3: Drive to Potawatomi Bingo Casino > hotel in Chicago. See Phish night 1 (of 2 nights) @ Wrigley Field.

Day 4: Midway>FLL

The drive from Minnepolis to Chicago hits all those casinos along the way in a fairly straight line so it works out nicely see one of my favorite bands in combo.
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June 19th, 2016 at 9:24:42 AM permalink
At this rate Doc will have his chip from Jack Cleveland before GWAE gets around to posting his. :)
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June 19th, 2016 at 11:18:19 AM permalink
Still don't have that trip planned in detail, but I expect it to occur in late July and early August.

We just got home last night from our trip to Mississippi, and I have a few chips to post here when I can get things organized. I already have the photos ready, so I just need to prepare posts -- probably the first one tomorrow.

We got together with WoV member odiousgambit and his wife while we were in Tunica, and the two degenerates in the group shared some time in a couple of craps sessions. As we were giving up on Friday evening, the dice were making their way around the table to me, and as OG colored up (just to my left), I said I would stay to play my own hand. It turned out to be interesting.

A lot of people at the table had been playing the Small-Tall-All bonus bet that I almost never play. I played it once that night for a total of $5, I think, and lost with one number on each end still un-rolled. As my last hand began, I was up a couple of dollars (quite unusual for this trip, unfortunately), and I decided to play more conservatively to try to preserve a win. I hit a few points, but along the way on a non-point-number roll, I heard a cheer arise from the far end of the table. It seems I had completed rolling the five "Tall" numbers so that a bunch of folks won $35 for each dollar they had bet there. I hadn't been paying attention at all to where that stood.

I checked it out while the dealers were making the payouts and noticed that only the 2 and 3 were missing on the Small end. Since it was not a come-out roll, I was willing to throw craps numbers, and I used my precision throwing skills to hit those two numbers on the very next two rolls. The table went wild. The guy standing to my right had bet at the 5-5-5 level, so he was paid $1,225 in just 3 rolls, as were a number of other players.

The dealers then let everyone replace their Small-Tall-All bets before my next roll. When the guy to my right upped his wager to 10-10-10, he also threw in 1-1-1 for me! I told him I made no promise about being able to hit the All twice in one hand! I proceeded to make that point that was hanging and then complete rolling all five of the Small numbers again. That paid me $35, and I thanked my tablemate. Unfortunately, I failed to complete the Tall numbers again, so the table did not completely erupt into bedlam.

I rolled so well that time that if I had wagered in my typical reckless manner, I might have made a bunch of money, but I had just been trying to hold onto my small win to that point. Lots of fun, though.
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June 19th, 2016 at 1:06:00 PM permalink
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At this rate Doc will have his chip from Jack Cleveland before GWAE gets around to posting his. :)



Ok ok ok, I will get it up this week guaranteed. Today I am working on my porch. Currently on hour 10, 3 more to go today. Tomorrow we are going to kennywood (local amusement park). So odds are I will do it on tuesday.
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June 19th, 2016 at 4:18:32 PM permalink
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Lots of fun, though.



I should have stuck around to see that!

In any case it was great to meet up with Doc for a second time - a completely happen-chance occurrence btw.
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June 20th, 2016 at 7:52:35 AM permalink
I'll blog later about another aspect of my first visit to Tunica, but comment here on general aspects .

If you hate going up and down hills, come to Tunica - flat as pancake as far as the eye can see, with real estate to spare too - things generally were surprisingly far apart. We were mentally prepared for the heat and humidity, plus had vowed to play it smart as far as just staying inside totally - so we sailed through that potential problem just fine. I had told my wife there were indications you could walk from one casino to the other in many cases, but not to think we could try that [we'd use the car]. But Doc indicated that they really have designed things so that if you picked the right spot, you really could walk just a few yards going from one to the other - and it proved to be the case, at least between Gold Strike and Horseshoe.

I have come to realize over time that I get pegged pretty easy with the way I play as somebody to put in the "minimal offers" category, playing craps and VP all the time. Lately, though, I have taken some interest in UTH and Mississippi Stud and wondered if some of that action might improve things. And I couldn't help but notice that comments in threads here about Tunica sometimes mentioned comps came pretty easy. So this time I wanted to play it smarter and see if I could get a room. I was thinking Horseshoe was looking good, but I seem to already be pegged as a "piker" with Caesars, and didn't want to be up against that. Plus, at some point I am going to be checking out what the new MGM casino is going to be like that is opening up in Maryland on the Potomac near DC. Doc was staying at Gold Strike, an MGM outfit, and I was totally new to any players club sign ups for any MGMs. It seemed like the right time to get off on the right foot with a new outfit.

I had been thinking about checking out the casino credit/markers system for a long time already, wanted to experience it for myself, and actually had managed to leave most of my cash bankroll at home anyway. It seemed possible it might help with the comps to be more known to them from a financial aspect too. So I signed up and indeed got the limit I asked for right away. So far so good [will blog about that].

Unfortunately UTH was not offered at Gold Strike, so I plunked myself down to play less desirable M-stud. That game has an HE higher than I like to play at, even considering Wizard's Element of Risk. We aren't talking anything crazy though, and there have been times I've played lousy VP that wasn't any better, so what the hell. It should be good for getting comp attention I figured. I didn't play the $5 minimum but upped it to $10 - I swear that's all I can stand, marveling at the green chip players of apparently modest means I see all the time. I played about 2 and a half hours and was running really bad [not that this is supposed to matter]. I had a few hundred on me but sure enough took out a $1k marker at one point. Would all this get the wanted attention?

I quizzed a pit lady and was told to go to the host desk, that the pit was no longer allowed to get involved. A woman there indicated my card was showing nothing and dismissively said I could get a room for $110. Things were not looking good! I'm often maladroit at these things and I'm thinking uh-oh, things have changed at Tunica. I went back to the pit to see why nothing was showing, got no one's attention, then went back to the host desk. This time, though, everything fell into place and we got a nice room comped. The hotel is very nice, with complete services, helpful concierge, bellmen, and all that.

It's the theoretical that matters I guess; I figure session EV to have been about -$85, but I was running very bad in M-stud and VP both - the card gods were being mean. So bad in fact that if I was new to it all I might be posting stuff suggesting the game was fixed - but now I have clucked too much at all those other guys with that kind of stupid stuff LOL.

A very nice visit including dinner with Mr. and Mrs. Doc!
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June 20th, 2016 at 8:24:28 AM permalink
State: Mississippi
City: Tunica
Casino: Bally’s Casino


In this post a little over a month ago, PokerGrinder mentioned that Bally’s in Tunica had started using new chips that present the name of the casino slightly differently from the way it was presented on the old chips. The old chips, as shown in this post, gave the name of the establishment as “Bally’s Saloon and Gambling Hall,” while the new chips just say “Bally’s Casino.”

We followed PokerGrinder's post with a discussion as to whether this was a real name change and whether it constituted a new casino from which to collect a chip. I indicated that I would try to check it out when I made it to Mississippi, which happened last week.

I first spoke with a cashier, who said she just thought the old chips were worn out. She really didn’t know anything about a name change. I then spoke with a pit supervisor who said that there was indeed a name change to distinguish that they are no longer affiliated with other casinos with the Bally’s name. He was busy and did not go into details.

The question arises as to just when the name change took place. In that post from December 2012 in which I presented the old chip, I attempted to provide some background on both the casino and the Bally brand name. I noted that it was a complex issue and that I wasn’t sure I had reliable resources. I noted that when Harrah’s bought Caesars, they acquired this casino as part of the deal, while they already owned multiple casinos in the Tunica market. They sold this one to Colony Capital’s Resorts International Holdings in 2005, and those folks kept using the Bally’s name.

It might be that they kept using the signs that just said “Bally’s” and chips that said “Bally’s Saloon and Gambling Hall” (the real full, old name ???) while changing the official name to “Bally’s Casino,” and Harrah’s/Caesars kept operating other casinos under versions of the Bally name elsewhere. I still don’t feel I have reliable resources on this.

The Mississippi Gaming Commission’s regulations, as shown in part in the .pdf document available at this site, include as Rule 5.3(b) the statement that, “The name of the issuing gaming establishment must be inscribed on one side of each chip and token….” Unfortunately, the Commission’s site also currently provides this .pdf document that indicates the “real” name of the licensee is “Bally’s Saloon/Gambling Hall.” So why do the new chips say “Bally’s Casino”? I think the Commission’s web site info must be out of date. Perhaps they are no more reliable as a resource than is Wikipedia. ;-)

So … with this perhaps less-than-absolute proof, I strongly suspect that they did indeed change the name of this establishment before recently getting approval for the new chips, and perhaps even back when the place was sold in 2005, i.e., even before I collected my old chip in 2006. With that, this collector is taking the position that this is a “real” name change, regardless of when it happened, and warrants collecting a new souvenir. And I did. Before even looking at the MGC web site.

I have revised the earlier “Bally’s” post in this thread to identify the casino with the old chip as “Bally’s Saloon and Gambling Hall”, with this new chip representing “Bally’s Casino”, both listed in their posts with slight inaccuracy as being in Tunica. I didn't notice any significant changes to the casino since my previous visits. The hotel is "Closed for Renovations" and has been for quite some time, I think.

This new $1 chip is a white Paulson RHC design with two lime edge inserts. The center inlay has a brown ring perimeter, a mostly blue field, a logo area saying “Tunica Bally’s Casino” in red, gold and white, the denomination mark in gold, and the name of the state in white. Both sides of the chip are the same.

UV light reveals the repeated name “BallyS” all over the inlay. No, I didn’t bother to try to count them. And yes, that appears to be “BallyS” without the apostrophe (and with the “S” looking as if it is capitalized), even though the name on the logo seen under visible light includes the apostrophe (and the capital S).

Alternate rows of the repeated name are upside down. That boggled my head to the extent that I’m not really sure whether this chip has that oh-so-common “error” that we have seen on lots of chips with this sort of hidden pattern.

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June 20th, 2016 at 8:46:38 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE (in reference to posting his Jack Cleveland Chip)

Ok ok ok, I will get it up this week guaranteed. Today I am working on my porch. Currently on hour 10, 3 more to go today. Tomorrow we are going to kennywood (local amusement park). So odds are I will do it on tuesday.


Excellent! I have a few more chips recently acquired in Mississippi, but I will hold off on posting more until Wednesday, reserving tomorrow for your post. Don't forget, now!     ;-)
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June 21st, 2016 at 6:34:54 AM permalink
PS: Smoke and Drink

The Gold Strike gaming area- only outfit I can comment on - is plain old smokey, verging on being excessive to tolerate. I really think a little more effort to increase ventilation was in order for the planning of that casino, but for some reason that didn't happen.

They did advertise a smoke-free upstairs area that did not seem to be ready to go yet? I looked into the area and don't know how to describe what I saw; it looked like voting was going on, of all things. No gaming in sight.

The drinks for players were free, surely the case for Tunica generally.
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June 21st, 2016 at 9:41:34 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

State: Mississippi
City: Tunica
Casino: Bally’s Casino


In this post a little over a month ago, PokerGrinder mentioned that Bally’s in Tunica had started using new chips that present the name of the casino slightly differently from the way it was presented on the old chips. The old chips, as shown in this post, gave the name of the establishment as “Bally’s Saloon and Gambling Hall,” while the new chips just say “Bally’s Casino.”

We followed PokerGrinder's post with a discussion as to whether this was a real name change and whether it constituted a new casino from which to collect a chip. I indicated that I would try to check it out when I made it to Mississippi, which happened last week.

I first spoke with a cashier, who said she just thought the old chips were worn out. She really didn’t know anything about a name change. I then spoke with a pit supervisor who said that there was indeed a name change to distinguish that they are no longer affiliated with other casinos with the Bally’s name. He was busy and did not go into details.

The question arises as to just when the name change took place. In that post from December 2012 in which I presented the old chip, I attempted to provide some background on both the casino and the Bally brand name. I noted that it was a complex issue and that I wasn’t sure I had reliable resources. I noted that when Harrah’s bought Caesars, they acquired this casino as part of the deal, while they already owned multiple casinos in the Tunica market. They sold this one to Colony Capital’s Resorts International Holdings in 2005, and those folks kept using the Bally’s name.

It might be that they kept using the signs that just said “Bally’s” and chips that said “Bally’s Saloon and Gambling Hall” (the real full, old name ???) while changing the official name to “Bally’s Casino,” and Harrah’s/Caesars kept operating other casinos under versions of the Bally name elsewhere. I still don’t feel I have reliable resources on this.

The Mississippi Gaming Commission’s regulations, as shown in part in the .pdf document available at this site, include as Rule 5.3(b) the statement that, “The name of the issuing gaming establishment must be inscribed on one side of each chip and token….” Unfortunately, the Commission’s site also currently provides this .pdf document that indicates the “real” name of the licensee is “Bally’s Saloon/Gambling Hall.” So why do the new chips say “Bally’s Casino”? I think the Commission’s web site info must be out of date. Perhaps they are no more reliable as a resource than is Wikipedia. ;-)

So … with this perhaps less-than-absolute proof, I strongly suspect that they did indeed change the name of this establishment before recently getting approval for the new chips, and perhaps even back when the place was sold in 2005, i.e., even before I collected my old chip in 2006. With that, this collector is taking the position that this is a “real” name change, regardless of when it happened, and warrants collecting a new souvenir. And I did. Before even looking at the MGC web site.

I have revised the earlier “Bally’s” post in this thread to identify the casino with the old chip as “Bally’s Saloon and Gambling Hall”, with this new chip representing “Bally’s Casino”, both listed in their posts with slight inaccuracy as being in Tunica. I didn't notice any significant changes to the casino since my previous visits. The hotel is "Closed for Renovations" and has been for quite some time, I think.

This new $1 chip is a white Paulson RHC design with two lime edge inserts. The center inlay has a brown ring perimeter, a mostly blue field, a logo area saying “Tunica Bally’s Casino” in red, gold and white, the denomination mark in gold, and the name of the state in white. Both sides of the chip are the same.

UV light reveals the repeated name “BallyS” all over the inlay. No, I didn’t bother to try to count them. And yes, that appears to be “BallyS” without the apostrophe (and with the “S” looking as if it is capitalized), even though the name on the logo seen under visible light includes the apostrophe (and the capital S).

Alternate rows of the repeated name are upside down. That boggled my head to the extent that I’m not really sure whether this chip has that oh-so-common “error” that we have seen on lots of chips with this sort of hidden pattern.


You are messing with me Doc, I had all but decided that I was going to replace my ugly chip with the new one instead of collecting a new one from a "new casino". NOW I read your write up (very well done btw) and I am back on the fence. I only collected mine a couple months ago so I'm thinking that the name had definitely already changed when I was there even though they were using the old chips. I'm back to not knowing what to do thanks to you Doc. :)

Now it probably won't make a difference for quite a while as although I will be in Mississippi next month most likely, I don't plan to get anywhere near Tunica. So it is a moot point for now.
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June 21st, 2016 at 1:59:48 PM permalink
PG, I think you are in exactly the same situation that I am (was). We collected chips that said "Bally's Saloon and Gambling Hall" after (perhaps well after) the name was legally changed to Bally's Casino. However, those were the chips in play at the times we were there. Now, they are using chips that say "Bally's Casino." I think it is perfectly reasonable from the viewpoint of a collector to say that the name of the casino finally really changed in a pragmatic sense when they got around to getting new chips! I now have my souvenir from this "new" casino, and you need to pick one up for yourself.

BTW, how is it possible to drive (assuming that you will be driving) from west-central Canada to Mississippi and not get "anywhere near" Tunica? If you drove right down the Atlantic coast to Florida and slipped westward into Biloxi, I think you would be reasonably near Tunica considering your starting point.     ;-)

Also BTW, I'm trying to decide how late in the day today to wait for GWAE to post his Jack Cleveland chip. Should I just assume he is too busy again working on his porch to do it today? He said, "odds are I will do it on tuesday," but he only promised to do it sometime this week. I have a chip ready to post, but I don't want to jump the gun and give him one more excuse to delay filling his role around this thread! I think maybe we need to tighten up the slack on that guy.
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June 21st, 2016 at 2:15:19 PM permalink
I suspect GWAE is sitting on his new porch watching the clouds go by with a brewski in hand.
Prolly didn't even notice the neighborhood teenage girls walking by.....
'See that cloud? Looks like a wizard. See that cloud, looks like a poker chip, etc ;-)

Driving from the North Pole, pretty much every thing is a reasonable distance. He's being finicky....
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June 21st, 2016 at 4:47:09 PM permalink
So I get home from work at 4pm. Decided to out 3 hours into porch. The floor is done but now I nwed to put up the what ever you call the 1x10 that lines the entire porch to make it look nicer. So I start on the right side and after working 45 minitem I realized that I totally f'ed up and cut 2 pieces of wood the wrong size. Gotta lI've ruining $37 worth of wood. I said F it and grabbed a beer and sat on the porch. I pulled out my phone and saw the gentile ribbing. I set down my beer and took a kinda steady picture. I will start on the write up right now.
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