DST Tonight
in AZ and Hawaii. And up till just a few years ago, IN.
Why do some states opt out? I did a lot of business
in the summer in IN and I loved it that they were an
hour behind MI. I was never late for anything.
Quote: WizardRiddle time: John (in an east coast state) is talking on the phone to Steve (in a west coast state). John asks Steve what time it is where he is. Steve answers. John replies, "That's strange, it is the same time here." How is that possible?
If Steve is in Oregon and John is in Florida, the two could be in Mountain and Central time, respectively. The one hour difference would then be made up during the time of falling back an hour.
Quote: WongBoHe looked it up...
The fact that we are talking about DST made the timezone part obvious. I then decided to look at a map of timezones, which made it very clear about Oregon stretching into MST. I was stumped for a while, when I finally realized that part of Florida stretched into CST.
But I am an Engineer, so ingenuity and attention to detail are part of my every day life...
up, anybody can do that.
Quote: EvenBobThats cheating, you're not supposed to look it
up, anybody can do that.
Using Google to look up the direct answer to the question is cheating.
Using the Internet as reference material to support your ideas, is not. In this case, he needed to know information on how the time zones are mapped.
I say this was legitimate use of the Internet, and not cheating...................... for whatever my opinion is worth.
I usually check all the batteries on all the various too with a meter.
Two old friends, Ed and Will (note the "clever" use of initials to help keep them straight), live on opposite sides of the USA. Ed lives in the East, in a state that borders the Atlantic Ocean, while Will lives in the West, in a state that borders the Pacific. Late one winter night, they were both at home and spoke to each other on one of their occasional phone calls. At one point, Will asked, "Ed, what time is it at your place," and Ed gave the answer. Will paused just a moment and said, "That's very strange, because it's that same time here at my house." Ed's reply was, "Oh, I don't know that it's all that strange. Why, don't you recall? I remember pointing out that very thing less than six months ago, that night we last spoke." How can this all be true if Ed and Will were both at their own homes for both of those calls?
As a side note, I Googled "daylight savings time" and one of the top hits was this link from the LA Times, including the comment:
Quote: LA TimesDaylight saving time began at 2 a.m. Sunday morning, meaning the clocks "spring forward" one hour. The change will mean that there will be more hours of daylight.
Does anyone really believe that changing the clock setting means there will be more hours of daylight? Should we all go out and adjust our sundials?
Quote: RaleighCraps
Using the Internet as reference material to support your ideas, is not. In this case, he needed to know information on how the time zones are mapped.
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You look up the time zones, see what states
apply in the question, you have your answer.
Its cheating.
Quote: EvenBobIts cheating.
Maybe you should check with Dan on that.
Quote: DocTwo old friends, Ed and Will (note the "clever" use of initials to help keep them straight), live on opposite sides of the USA. Ed lives in the East, in a state that borders the Atlantic Ocean, while Will lives in the West, in a state that borders the Pacific. Late one winter night, they were both at home and spoke to each other on one of their occasional phone calls. At one point, Will asked, "Ed, what time is it at your place," and Ed gave the answer. Will paused just a moment and said, "That's very strange, because it's that same time here at my house." Ed's reply was, "Oh, I don't know that it's all that strange. Why, don't you recall? I remember pointing out that very thing less than six months ago, that night we last spoke." How can this all be true if Ed and Will were both at their own homes for both of those calls?
It only happens when you "fall back", not when you "spring" forward.
In early November, when the person in Florida calls his Oregon friend at 1:59am CDT, it's 12:59am MDT. A minute passes: It's now 1:00am CST and 1:00am MDT.
In mid March, when the person in Florida calls is Oracle friend at 1:59am CST, it's 12:59am MST. A minute passes. Now it's 3:00am CDT, but only 1:00am MST.
Without google, my answer would have been filled with uncertainty, and likely looked like this:
Quote: MeI believe there are states on the east and west coast that fall into the mountain and central time zones. If said persons were in these states, and were talking on the phone during CST and MDT, their times would be the same..
I tried to put the text into spoiler tags, but this site doesn't support them...
Quote: TriplellWithout google, my answer would have been filled with uncertainty, and likely looked like this:
Quote: meI believe there are states on the east and west coast that fall into the mountain and central time zones. If said persons were in these states, and were talking on the phone during CDT and MST, their times would be the same..
Except that, as was already pointed out to me, it should be during concurrent CST and MDT, at the Fall changeover.
Quote: DocExcept that, as was already pointed out to me, it should be during concurrent CST and MDT, at the Fall changeover.
You are correct, CDT would switch to CST while MDT would remain MDT...
We now go from Night to Day without a Dawn. We have an equally abrupt change twice a year as we adjust our clocks and many of us have abrupt changes during the year when we suffer jet lag. Perhaps we should go back to Ox-Cart speeds and re-entrain our escaped circadian rhythms.Quote: DocDoes anyone really believe that changing the clock setting means there will be more hours of daylight? Should we all go out and adjust our sundials?
Quote: TriplellDST allows for summers to get dark around 9pm. I wouldn't want it any other way...
In W MI we're on the very end of the eastern
time zone, so its light here till 10pm in June
and July. They want to make Vegas move
to Mountain Time so they'll get that same advantage
we have in MI.
Quote: EvenBob
Why do some states opt out?
Arizona opts out (except in Navajo Reservations) because it is so hot they would rather not have to deal with the sun being out later in the day. Construction workers start as early as 4:00 AM, getting done before things really heat up. You get home from work and it cools off sooner.
In IN it had something to do with farming IIRC. And HI has no real reason to switch. They are close enough to the equator that the daylight difference is not so much, why the hassle?
A jerk I worked with once really got POed when I explained AZ was three hours behind during DST. I was ready to say, "I lived there three years so what do I know, but if you want to call a customer at 6:00 AM, go right ahead."
I thought not so, but there is history that it does happen.
Has any location(s) in say the last 5 years "opted out" of the time-reforms imposed?
There was a quote that went something like "Hoosiers are really smart, they set their clocks once in 19XX and haven't had to change them since." (I believe XX is 68 or 72 from reading the Wikipedia article, it's a little bit muddled when they went no-DST).
Interestingly, I was in Phoenix when the DST switch happened this past weekend, so I didn't have to deal with it personally. I don't think I have any clocks left at home that don't self-adjust.
The extra hour of sunshine burnt all his crops.
that hour for the next 8 months.
Quote: EvenBobIn W MI we're on the very end of the eastern
time zone, so its light here till 10pm in June
and July. They want to make Vegas move
to Mountain Time so they'll get that same advantage
we have in MI.
Vegas in Pacific time is horrible, so stupid. I never make sportsbets because it's already too late by the time I think about it/wake up for Sunday football.
Quote: EvenBobHere we go again, a year later. I hate looking for
that hour for the next 8 months.
Worst day of the year...and I have plans to get up earlier than usual tomorrow.
Quote: tringlomaneVegas in Pacific time is horrible, so stupid. I never make sportsbets because it's already too late by the time I think about it/wake up for Sunday football.
Then either (a) move Vegas out of Nevada (and into a state where sports bets are illegal), (b) move Reno and Lake Tahoe out of Nevada (and lose a chunk of money every winter because you lose the Reno and Tahoe casinos), or (c) make it a two time zone state, with all of the hassles that come with it.
Who here changes their smoke detector batteries when they change the clocks?
Quote: EvenBobI was never late for anything.
A good reason to not set the clock back in the fall, or then to have to undo it that in the spring. Let the suckers do it. Get up at the same time each day. Feel the seasons.
Quote: Wizard"That's strange, it is the same time here." How is that possible?
How is it not possible? Relativity aside, however you choose to look at it, everything beyond us and our tiny planet runs on its own time. We might as well, in this technological era, each go by one global man-time... say a particular atomic clock. (What happened to that big sheet of aluminum they were going to unfurl over the earth back in the 70's to have 24-hour daylight? We became too wrapped up in ourselves.)
Quote: buzzpaffThe extra hour of sunshine burnt all his crops.
Hope the rest of you wore big hats.
Quote: ThatDonGuyThen either (a) move Vegas out of Nevada (and into a state where sports bets are illegal), (b) move Reno and Lake Tahoe out of Nevada (and lose a chunk of money every winter because you lose the Reno and Tahoe casinos), or (c) make it a two time zone state, with all of the hassles that come with it.
Who here changes their smoke detector batteries when they change the clocks?
c) is less of a hassle than you think, especially for a tourist like me. And do vegas locals really like the sun setting at 430pm in the winter and rising at 530am in the summer?
Quote: tringlomanec) And do vegas locals really like the sun setting at 430pm in the winter and rising at 530am in the summer?
I lived on the coast in Calif and it started getting dark
at 4pm in Dec. Sucked bigtime.
Quote: EvenBob... getting dark at 4pm in Dec. Sucked big time.
Feeling the seasons is great for the creative mind.
To finish off. At any given time, the only difference between pt A and pt B is of distance or spatial condition... not the time. Can artificially or conveniently trade off on the "absolute" time (which I proposed last time) to have "relative" times that approximately account for the distances, and further define an old versus a new time, but certainly can't eliminate any of the distances. Then no two such "relative" times can ever be the same. Eg, an old "relative" time of 2 am isn't the same as a new "relative" time of 2 am.
Quote: LexingerFeeling the seasons is great for the creative mind.
To finish off. At any given time, the only difference between pt A and pt B is of distance or spatial condition... not the time. Can artificially or conveniently trade off on the "absolute" time (which I proposed last time) to have "relative" times that approximately account for the distances, and further define an old versus a new time, but certainly can't eliminate any of the distances. Then no two such "relative" times can ever be the same. Eg, an old "relative" time of 2 am isn't the same as a new "relative" time of 2 am.
Glad we got that cleared up. I knew there's a reason for me hanging out here.
Quote: konceptumI had to travel to Indiana this weekend for business, and got caught in the DST morass that I normally don't have to deal with living in Arizona. I would say it's a good thing they announced it on the news, but there was no need since my cell phone automatically adjusted anyway. But, going to Indiana on Friday and dealing with a two hour time difference, and coming back on Monday with a three hour time difference has really screwed up my sense of when I should be going to bed.
As I mentioned previously, I went to college in Indiana where we never observed DST. I thought it was great, except that you always had to remember whether everyone else was on DST or not - I would switch between being 2 hours or 3 hours ahead of my family.
My real problem is with time zones. Can't figure them out. And I don't just mean who is in what time zone, which is difficult for me. I can't figure out the sense of being "x hours ahead" or "x hours behind". When traveling, we "gain x hours" or we "lose x hours". The only way I can figure things out is to think where the sun rises, and try to calculate the hours that way. IE, if I end up with continuous communication in Indiana, I have to think of the fact that the sun rise will occur there before it occurs here. So at 7am there, it's still dark here, or 4am here.
Now, I know that everyone reading this will understand I'm a complete moron. It's obviously easy to just take whatever time it is here, 4am, and add 3 hours, 7am. Which I can do, but only after I go through the thought process of figuring out who gets the sunshine first. My brain melts when confronted with time zone differences.
Having a phone or other time keeping device which will display the time in multiple locations helps a great deal. As a funny side note, I absolutely hate my cell phone as a time keeping device when I'm in Laughlin, Nevada. Depending on where I am in Laughlin, the cell phone will either pick up a tower in Nevada, or pick up a tower in Arizona. When the time zones are different, looking at the time on my phone means not knowing if it is showing me Nevada time or Arizona time, and if you're wanting to show up to a tournament on time, it can be frustrating.
Quote: konceptumHaving a phone or other time keeping device which will display the time in multiple locations helps a great deal. As a funny side note, I absolutely hate my cell phone as a time keeping device when I'm in Laughlin, Nevada. Depending on where I am in Laughlin, the cell phone will either pick up a tower in Nevada, or pick up a tower in Arizona. When the time zones are different, looking at the time on my phone means not knowing if it is showing me Nevada time or Arizona time, and if you're wanting to show up to a tournament on time, it can be frustrating.
No wristwatch?
He lost the family farm as the extra hour of sunlight burnt up his crops.
Quote: AyecarumbaNo wristwatch?
wrist watch ? Gee I am 72 but I mean what is a wristwatch ?
Quote: BuzzardMy uncle campaigned against DST back in the 30's. But Iowa voted for it. Unfortunately my uncle was right.
He lost the family farm as the extra hour of sunlight burnt up his crops.
If only he would have turned his failing farm into a baseball diamond.
I get up in the morning, I'll turn my clocks
ahead 1/2 hour. Then later in the day
about 4 p.m., I'll turn them ahead another
half hour. This way I've eased myself into
the time change.
Quote: EvenBobHere is what I do to handle DST. When
I get up in the morning, I'll turn my clocks
ahead 1/2 hour. Then later in the day
about 4 p.m., I'll turn them ahead another
half hour. This way I've eased myself into
the time change.
Mods can you delete his and my post responding to this. TERRIBLE six year bump given the title. DST is next week!
Quote: tringlomaneMods can you delete his and my post responding to this. TERRIBLE six year bump given the title. DST is next week!
I was going to move my clocks up
Quote: MaxPenI was going to move my clocks up
Two times in one night, not sure this is sarcasm or not. Lol
If not, glad I could help.
Quote: tringlomaneMods can you delete his and my post responding to this. TERRIBLE six year bump given the title. DST is next week!
My bad, I thought it was the first
Sunday in March. I see what I
did. We go off it the first Sunday
in Nov, so I assumed it was the
first Sunday in March too. Oh
well, if nobody had said anything'
I would have set my clocks
ahead tomorrow. lol
