Paigow poker no commission
Quote: Syclone1445What would the house edge be on a pai how table in California with no commission, house rake or fortune bonus. I know of a card room in ca that has this game and they advertise it as the only one in the country. Any help would be appreciated
EZ Pai Gow Poker is a commission-free regular (7-card) Pai Gow Poker game.
Instead of charging a 5% commission on player wins, the dealer's hand pushes if it is a queen-high Pai Gow, and only a queen-high Pai Gow hand, which occurs once in every 58 hands, or about one every 90 minutes. It has a slightly lower house edge, but it gets more hands-per hour because the dealer doesn't have to stop and calculate and make change for the commisssions. Information on it be found here: EZ Pai Gow Poker. The game is in many casinos in many states, mainly California, Nevada, Missouri, Iowa, Indiana, and Louisiana.
Quote: Syclone1445What would the house edge be on a pai how table in California with no commission, house rake or fortune bonus. I know of a card room in ca that has this game and they advertise it as the only one in the country. Any help would be appreciated
No commission or rake or mandatory other bet or some alteration to some bet somewhere would mean it is +EV for the players.
Quote: Syclone1445Btw ... no ez paigow or anything like that
Quote: PaigowdanEZ Pai Gow Poker is a commission-free regular (7-card) Pai Gow Poker game...
Dan seems quite convinced this must be his game.
Quote: odiousgambitNo commission or rake or mandatory other bet or some alteration to some bet somewhere would mean it is +EV for the players. "
No, not necessarily. In some areas, a casino house has the option to offer the game without a house edge mechanism, with more risk to the house; still this does not mean it then becomes a positve EV game for the player. Craps has no house edge on the odds bet, yet it may still be offered to players. Plus, if the house wins on hand copies, that in itself would generate a tiny house edge.
Quote: odiousgambitDan seems quite convinced this must be his game.
No, not necessarily; it might also be Pai Gow Thrill, by Howard Grossman. On that game, you are required to play the bonus bet, and where the bonus bet pays you 2:1 instead of 3:1 on a three of a kind, using the before-mentioned bet alteration method.
But if there is no bet alteration involved then it might be that the house may be offering the game without a house edge mechanism, as a "loss leader" game, using the other game types to cover the income. This is especially so if the house is Player-Banked, where player-bankers finance the games, not the card room operator.
Quote: PaigowdanBut if there is no bet alteration involved then it might be that the house may be offering the game without a house edge mechanism, as a "loss leader" game, using the other game types to cover the income. This is especially so if the house is Player-Banked, where player-bankers finance the games, not the card room operator.
This is how it is at Ocean's, it is great. Most players dont even set their hand, just look at the cards and the dealer will do it. No commission, no collection, nothing. and yet they will usually have open seats at this game while 3 or 4 tables of people paying 50cents a hand to play 6/5 BJ.
I have seen Pai Gow Poker in Washington State played this way as well and was amazed that the Casino was running the game this way. I assume that no banking is allowed when the game is played without commission (I didn't ask at the time).
Quote: ParadigmI have seen Pai Gow Poker in Washington State played this way as well and was amazed that the Casino was running the game this way. I assume that no banking is allowed when the game is played without commission (I didn't ask at the time).
I think the Wizard covered this in an article. The deal is you HAVE to play $5 on the Fortune bet, but as most people know, that bet can get to a manageable edge factoring in Envy hands. Further, the more you play, the lower the edge on the bonus becomes, possibly negating it to a very small HE.
