AZDuffman
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January 20th, 2010 at 1:44:03 PM permalink
I just sort of dared my buddy who has never played craps to bet "don't pass" and when the waitress comes by say, "I'd like a seven and seven. $7 tip if you get it here in seven minutes or less."

So, did I just figuritively hand a child a loaded gun?
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FleaStiff
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January 20th, 2010 at 2:00:14 PM permalink
Everybody glares, muttering about murder circulates about the table and the stickman calls out TakeTheDon'ts, PayTheLine.
cclub79
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January 20th, 2010 at 2:09:00 PM permalink
Saying "7" is one thing that I find least annoying when playing. They are usually newbies and it's tough for their "experienced" friend to explain the game without saying 7. Plus even for superstitious people, saying something is less blatant than throwing money out when the button is on, or the worst, while the dice are out. Those are my biggest peeves. And actually, also very annoying is when the shooter gets the dice, then goes to his chips and starts calling out bets, with the dice in his hands. Then they tell him to drop the dice and everything grinds to a halt. But I guess if it's ONE thing, it's money throwing down when the dice are out and we aren't coming out. How about everyone else? One biggest peeve at the craps table?
seattledice
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January 20th, 2010 at 3:24:36 PM permalink
Only one? Factoring in the frequency I've seen it happen, it's got to be squeezing in next to the shooter and dropping money on the table when the dice are out and we aren't coming out.

Sorry, I can't leave it at only one. A close second top peeve is the loudmouth drunk who has no idea where the dice are or what he is doing, and is always holding up the game until he loses all his money -- which happens pretty fast.
DJTeddyBear
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January 20th, 2010 at 3:49:14 PM permalink
You object to people stepping up to the table and joining in the fun? I've never even considered that people would object to such a thing. Personally, I sometimes will step up, but wait until the next come up before doing anything. But that's not out of respect to other player's possible superstitions, but because I'd simply rather wait until a new roll starts. Then again, I also often join in mid-roll.

What's the rationale behind such a superstition?

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Of course, I never move in next to the shooter. That much I know!

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Personally, the thing I hate most is when my wife accurately can tell me "Seven Out". Or maybe it's that she tells me when the dice are already in the air. Sigh.
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cclub79
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January 20th, 2010 at 5:24:39 PM permalink
I understand people want to "join in the fun", and if I'm at a busy table, it's no bother. (Unfairly to others, I don't like people joining if I'm alone at a table, but I don't get mad.) The problem is many players consider each point and resolution as a "hand", and dropping your money and coming in mid-hand would be like sitting in a seat in the middle of a blackjack hand and wanting some cards (not a perfect analogy to be sure...) There's a flow and a rhythm to a hand and when everything has to stop to make change and take your bets, many people get upset. Think of a normal table. Most of the general betting happens right before the come out (craps check, horn high aces, etc) and immediately following the point being established (Place bets, hard ways, etc.) All other times, it's for the most part a continuous hand. Maybe a payout, a press, a parlay, Odds on the Come, etc, but for the most part, the basic structure of everyone's bets are there, until the point is made or a seven out. When a new player comes in mid-roll, it disrupts that rhythm. If I come up to a table, and the button is on, I take out my cash and my player's card, lay it on the rack, and wait silently until the end of the hand. It's just me though. I don't hold it against those other players or anything. I'd just prefer they wait...

"Loud drunk guy who never realizes they pushed the dice back in front of him, has half of his rolls leave the table, and splashes chips all over the felt" is also an annoyance, but it's rare enough to not occupy my top spot of annoyances....

Ugh, that also reminds me of the people that need to hold their chips, as if they are not secure in a casino. Then they need to roll, and they try to put them all down on the rack, roll the dice, and then pick them up again!
seattledice
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January 20th, 2010 at 5:25:00 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

You object to people stepping up to the table and joining in the fun? I've never even considered that people would object to such a thing. Personally, I sometimes will step up, but wait until the next come up before doing anything. But that's not out of respect to other player's possible superstitions, but because I'd simply rather wait until a new roll starts. Then again, I also often join in mid-roll.

What's the rationale behind such a superstition?



I don't think it's so much superstition as bad manners. The puck is ON, the dice are out, the shooter is about to roll, and here comes a wad of cash right into the middle of things.

I think it's OK join in the middle of a roll. Usually if you put your money down while the dice are in the middle, the shooter gets the dice and rolls, and then you get your chips. Very little, if any, disruption to the game.
DJTeddyBear
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January 20th, 2010 at 6:39:46 PM permalink
Quote: cclub79

The problem is many players consider each point and resolution as a "hand", and dropping your money and coming in mid-hand would be like sitting in a seat in the middle of a blackjack hand and wanting some cards (not a perfect analogy to be sure...)

A better analogy is coming in to the middle of a SHOE. For the record, I DO ask the other players if they mind if I come in mid-shoe. Only one time did players object. They said that it had been a hot shoe and didn't want to interrupt the rhythm. Although I don't subscribe to that sort of superstition, I can certainly sympathize, so I waited.


I also ask players if they mind if I squeeze in at the crap table.




Quote: seattledice

I don't think it's so much superstition as bad manners. The puck is ON, the dice are out, the shooter is about to roll, and here comes a wad of cash right into the middle of things.

Ah. NOW I understand.

I never bring in my cash when the dice are in front of the shooter or in his hand. I only do it when the dice are in the middle. And only when the roll was a number requiring a lot of activity by the dealers.




But now that I think of it, it always bothers me when I'm the shooter, and there's someone at the other end making late bets. It makes no difference to me if it's a new bettor or someone who has been there all along, or if it's chips or cash. The only thing that bothers me is that if I wasn't paying attention, I might have thrown the dice and hit someone's arm. And we all know how deadly that can be.

No, I don't subscribe to that superstition either, but I do respect it.

Truth is, I get pissed at the stickman for giving me the dice too quickly. So I wait. But that's something else I've wondered about.

Whenever I wait for more than just a couple seconds, I want to tell the stickman to bring them back to the middle and check again to see if people are ready.

Is that permitted? The only reason I don't do it is so people don't think I'm a dick. Plus I think that people who are superstitious would think that's as bad as asking to change the dice.




How would you react if the shooter asked the stickman to bring them back to the middle?
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Croupier
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January 20th, 2010 at 6:59:46 PM permalink
Here's another craps related question. I have never played or dealt craps and only have a basic understanding of the game. Whats the general reaction to a novice.

I do gather that convention (superstition) dictates a novice male shooter is unlucky, while a novice female shooter is lucky.
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seattledice
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January 20th, 2010 at 7:46:23 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear


Whenever I wait for more than just a couple seconds, I want to tell the stickman to bring them back to the middle and check again to see if people are ready.

Is that permitted? The only reason I don't do it is so people don't think I'm a dick. Plus I think that people who are superstitious would think that's as bad as asking to change the dice.

How would you react if the shooter asked the stickman to bring them back to the middle?



It seems like they will pull the dice back if you don't do anything for a few seconds anyway. I wouldn't care if you asked, especially if it was for an obvious reason, like they were still paying off bets at the other end or the waitress just arrived with your drink.

This does remind of one time the crew were breaking in a new dealer and the stickman moved the dice way too quickly while the newbie was still figuring out how to pay off the bets.

Quote: Croupier

Whats the general reaction to a novice.



Just that they usually need help figuring out what to do, and the dealers and players around them are happy to help. Novices generally stick with simple bets, and only need to be told once to keep their hands up when the dice are out :-)

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