FleaStiff
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October 2nd, 2011 at 5:00:15 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan


Great dinner and a great show and with a really great "date": $8,200.


Was confused here for a moment, until I noticed the quotations marks setting off the word date. Then I realized just what was meant and where the bulk of the money would be going, but I wonder do you really take a "not from an Agency" girl out to dinner?

Anyway, I think it is possible to view a casino as selling negative expectation and variance all wrapped up in hope with a few dabs of ignorance and lack of sobriety thrown in.

We all know there is a house edge. Some know it to the nth decimal place, some just know it as a generalized theory, but everyone knows it. Some know that despite the "edge" there will be females with curves in Vegas, so if they lose they will at least have some extra fun doing it. Some have hopes of winning millions on a twenty dollar buy-in, but at least they have hopes. Not realistic hope, but hope nevertheless.

But in reality... its a place to get free booze and a lady who will turn a trick.... Lady Luck!!
EvenBob
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October 2nd, 2011 at 5:25:33 PM permalink
Quote: Mosca

How the casino feels about it is kind of irrelevant. I don't really care what they think of me.



You're in the minority. Most people want the casino
to love them, and appreciate them, and respect
them. So they buy the hype. They open their players
card envelopes that come in the mail and ooh and aah
at all the freebies their good buddies heap on them
every month. Free rooms, slot credits, free blenders
and beach umbrellas if they show up between 10 and
2 on Wednesday. They feel bathed in the love and
appreciation, and I'm not exaggerating.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Paigowdan
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October 2nd, 2011 at 5:31:55 PM permalink
Seriously,
1. Casinos sell entertainment, excitement, nighttime activity, expectation, fun, and diversion from daily life, like all viable entertainment outlets.

2. The entrance fee is built into the house edge of games and amusements, with a chance to get lucky and win. It is supposed to be there, it is supposed to be this way, and it is all right that it is there. Any nefarious ways to build a gaffe to get around this pay-to-play fee is malfesance and is not a goal if not within the rules. (It's like sneaking into a show without a ticket, and many try to add this element of illicit fun. Money gotten with a touch of larceny is sweeter for some.) In poker rooms, you pay a rake on the pot you win, and in the pit, you get 9:5 instead on 2:1. Slot play back is 92% to 99%, not 100%, realistically. WTH.

3. There is absolutely nothing evil or abusive in the simple existence or operations of regulated casinos. There are no magnets under the crap tables or in the Roulette wheel, no tens are missing from deck, and the advertising and promotional campaigns are normal business marketing, not evil seduction.

4. Drinks are free as a courtesy and convenience, and not as a sinister plot; you can order a Pepsi. Dinners are often comped.

5. It is generally not cheap entertainment, like renting a movie at RedBox. Complaining about the expense is pointless, and shows either limited resources or limited personal controls.

6. If you believe that there is some sort of a sinister master plot simply by being comped a meal, or by receiving promotional material in the mail, you're a little off the mark. I remember when you got a free toaster when opening up a bank account.
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Mosca
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October 2nd, 2011 at 5:36:26 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You're in the minority. Most people want the casino
to love them, and appreciate them, and respect
them. So they buy the hype. They open their players
card envelopes that come in the mail and ooh and aah
at all the freebies their good buddies heap on them
every month. Free rooms, slot credits, free blenders
and beach umbrellas if they show up between 10 and
2 on Wednesday. They feel bathed in the love and
appreciation, and I'm not exaggerating.



Well, I guess I'm not really qualified to speak for the majority. But if that is so, then I don't think you are, either.

It's like a lot of things in the world. It's easy to make it look like a crayon drawing. But the truth is a lot more nuanced and complex. It's a hospitality business. Like any hospitality business, you don't want the hostility to show. But at the same time, it's kind of unrealistic to think that those providing the service don't speak frankly every now and then. And at the same time again, it's also not right to think that they can't hold more than one feeling at a time. It's possible to like the patrons and still want their money. It's possible to treat them as statistics in a general sense, and treat them like people when you're face to face with them. It's a casual business relationship, where part of the business is trading in good feelings. There are all kinds of things that can go on all at the same time, and I think that you are filling your own agenda when you simplify it with your singular take on the relationship.
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Paigowdan
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October 2nd, 2011 at 5:42:22 PM permalink
Most people want to spend a few hours playing slots, throwing dice, and having a few drinks.

Most people want to be loved by their husbands or wives, and their sons and daughters. Who cares what a slot attendant or valet car parker thinks. If you do, you're nuts.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
EvenBob
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October 2nd, 2011 at 5:43:45 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

4. Drinks are free as a courtesy and convenience, and not as a sinister plot.



You mean its more love being lavished on the customers?
It has nothing to do with the fact that booze clouds the
mind and lowers inhibitions. That people who drink a
certain amount tend make bad decisions and do things
they wouldn't do if they were sober. C'mon, Dan, who
are you trying to kid..
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Paigowdan
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October 2nd, 2011 at 5:51:02 PM permalink
Bob,
The drinks are a courtesy and convenience.
Some Casinos charge you for the drinks, and some don't.
You can order and drink what you like: vodka, whiskey, a pepsi, avian water, Hawaiian punch

The presence of the variety of the beverages offered does not constitute a mind-control plot.
It constitutes a selection to choose from, when you are thirsty.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
EvenBob
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October 2nd, 2011 at 6:19:14 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

The presence of the variety of the beverages offered does not constitute a mind-control plot.



Of COURSE it does, Dan, you can't be serious. They offer a
mind altering drug for FREE if you're playing, and you think
its because they like you? They want you to loosen up, drop
your inhibitions and start making bad decisions. Its what
business calls a 'loss leader'. A loss leader is 'a product given
away or sold at a low price to stimulate other profitable sales.'
Thats what booze does, it stimulates players to bet more, make
foolish mistakes, and become what they used to call 'casino
oriented', which is another name for 'losers'.

"Alcohol (ethanol), a psychoactive drug, is a chemical substance that crosses the blood–brain barrier and acts primarily upon the central nervous system where it affects brain function, resulting in changes in perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, and behavior."

Gee, why would the casino want any of those things
to happen to its customers? LOL!
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
MarkAbe
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October 2nd, 2011 at 8:54:02 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Bob,
The drinks are a courtesy and convenience.
Some Casinos charge you for the drinks, and some don't.
You can order and drink what you like: vodka, whiskey, a pepsi, avian water, Hawaiian punch

The presence of the variety of the beverages offered does not constitute a mind-control plot.
It constitutes a selection to choose from, when you are thirsty.



Dan, I'm sorry to say that it sounds like you are starting to believe your own propaganda. I find it pretty much impossible to believe that alcohol is offered free to people who are gambling without the casino realizing that this can increase their profit. In fact, given the size and expertise of casinos, I find it pretty much impossible to believe that alcohol is offered free to people who gamble without the casino having at least a ball-park figure of how much it increases their profit.
Mosca
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October 2nd, 2011 at 8:59:28 PM permalink
Geez, Bob. You sound like some kind of puritan. What's wrong with a little consensual "evil"? I think I have a pretty good understanding of the social and emotional aspects of casinos, at least from the east coast perspective. We have young folks getting prettied up and playing Las Vegas, and we have old folks passing time and enjoying the buzz. I see working people employed at making sure they have an enjoyable time as they do it.

It's a service industry, so from that perspective it's just a transfer of money; nothing's getting built, or invented, or used to better the human race. But so what. All work and no play, or all play and no work.... you're either trolling, or you also hate sports, movies, music, restaurants, new cars, boats, and anything else that's extravagant. And you're either trolling, or you're a morals cop who wants to impose his values on everyone else because he just can't stand to see people having fun doing something he doesn't like.

My guess is that you're trolling.
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