Biggest gambling nations, per capita
August 11th, 2011 at 9:17:28 AM
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CNBC has put together a slide show with little blurbs about the top 10 gambling nations, per capita. Interesting quick read.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/43628943
http://www.cnbc.com/id/43628943
August 11th, 2011 at 10:17:33 AM
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Interesting. The article is the annoying kind where you have to click lots of times to read the whole thing. So I'll save you the trouble, and just list them for you.
- Australia
- Singapore
- Ireland
- Canada
- Finland
- Italy
- Hong Kong
- Norway
- Greece
- Spain
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 11th, 2011 at 11:40:52 AM
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wow, the people who wrote this are the kind of people in my world. Gambling only means rack and ruin, it never is viewed as reasonable entertainment. Check out the very first picture.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 11th, 2011 at 11:44:57 AM
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Although it's interesting reading, it's presented in an annoying format.
Thanks, Wiz, for listing the top 10. I was kinda hoping that after going thru all that, there would be a comprehensive summary.
I guess we'll have to settle for merely knowing that Americans are not in the Top 10....
Thanks, Wiz, for listing the top 10. I was kinda hoping that after going thru all that, there would be a comprehensive summary.
I guess we'll have to settle for merely knowing that Americans are not in the Top 10....
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August 11th, 2011 at 11:55:06 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitwow, the people who wrote this are the kind of people in my world. Gambling only means rack and ruin, it never is viewed as reasonable entertainment. Check out the very first picture.
What o.g. meant to say is that Gaming is a Great and Legitimate Industry that enriches lives and helps fuel the economy.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
August 11th, 2011 at 1:06:52 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanWhat o.g. meant to say
oh, sorry, no I was imitating the authors of the article and the people I tend to be surrounded with. I needed a sarcasm emoticon.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 11th, 2011 at 1:13:46 PM
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Looks like Gordon Ramsay weeping at the table there, with his head in his hands.
"Poker sure is an easy game to beat if you have the roll to keep rebuying."
August 11th, 2011 at 4:25:32 PM
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Quote: Wizard
- Australia. Always been a nation of gamblers. Perth Lottery was famous. Horse racing, sheep shearing, foot races, etc.
- Singapore
- Ireland
- Canada
- Finland What else is there to do during a cold winter?
- Italy Lotteries are big. Our 6/49 started in Italy.
- Hong Kong
- Norway Winter. Hardy outdoor types. Sure they are gamblers.
- Greece
- Spain Famous Gato Gordo lottery. Estoril, in Portugal, was a casino town. I would expect Spaniards to gamble.
At one time France would be ultra high on the list. Thanks largely to Casanova's escape from Italy.
England in Victorian era.
Vietnam is 100 percent a gambling nation, including all police officers during three day new years festivities when it is legal to gamble. They now have a few casinos that are officially for foreigners, I think.
Holland during the Tulip Bubble. Price of a tulip bulb was more than a decades wages for a skilled barrel maker, then the highest paid and most respected skilled craft there was.
I too noted that photo and thought it foolish but typical.
August 11th, 2011 at 4:39:55 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitI needed a sarcasm emoticon.
Wink: ;)
Tongue-in-cheek: ;^)
Wicked Grin: >:)
Sitcking your tongue out: :P or ;P
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
August 11th, 2011 at 11:26:16 PM
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any "top X" gambling list that doesn't include China doesn't know what he is talking about.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:38:38 AM
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Quote: odiousgambit
This guy deserves to lose for playing like an idiot. To lay that
much money on such a small area of inside numbers and then
be upset because he lost? Well, duh...
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 12th, 2011 at 4:36:31 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI guess we'll have to settle for merely knowing that Americans are not in the Top 10....
The failure to include USA and China actually does make sense. Those two markets are the largest in the world, but only because the population of USA and China is so large.
The bottom ranked nation on the list is $418 per capita (Spain). So using $400 per capita as a rough estimate:
USA is 300 million population times $400 per capita = $120 billion per year. Most estimates of legal gambling in the USA are under $100 billion per year. That includes commercial casinos, native american casinos, state lotteries, charity games, parimutal betting, horse racing, etc. So the USA is still ranked under $400 per capita for legal gambling.
China is 1300 million population times $400 per capita = $520 billion per year. There is no estimate that puts legal gambling in China anywhere near that size. Macau is only $40 billion this year. I have never seen an estimate of the size of the legal gambling elsewhere in China. Once again I am sure that a million people work in illegal gaming in china.
August 12th, 2011 at 4:37:32 AM
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Quote: andysifany "top X" gambling list that doesn't include China doesn't know what he is talking about.
As I looked at the list, I thought exactly the same thing. However it's based on a per capita basis. While it's true that Chinese people are known to be gamblers, there is a large faction of the population that abhors it. Now if it were based strictly on the number of gamblers in a country, I'd have to believe China would be number 1 by a disproportionate amount. However, when divided by the number of people in the country, the percentage would be too small. Note the number of smaller countries on there...
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August 12th, 2011 at 5:02:24 AM
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People always forget that China has more people than North and South America and Western Europe combined. Anything they do involving more than 10% of their people is a significant market.
Commercial casino gambling in the USA is only $110 per capita. I doubt that more than 5% of China's population has ever been to Macau.
Commercial casino gambling in the USA is only $110 per capita. I doubt that more than 5% of China's population has ever been to Macau.
August 12th, 2011 at 7:02:06 PM
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Quote: TiltpoulAs I looked at the list, I thought exactly the same thing. However it's based on a per capita basis. While it's true that Chinese people are known to be gamblers, there is a large faction of the population that abhors it. Now if it were based strictly on the number of gamblers in a country, I'd have to believe China would be number 1 by a disproportionate amount. However, when divided by the number of people in the country, the percentage would be too small. Note the number of smaller countries on there...
Per capita, maybe. but if you are talking total number of people or $ amount, China must be on the top of the list. Trust me, I live in HK, and I have seen them gamble in Macau.
China had the largest population in the world (or India?), but they probably also have one of the highest, if not the highest, Gini coefficient. Wealth is in the hands of a (relatively few) officials and businessmen. Corruption is the sole reason why someone wants to be a civil servant. With easy money like that, it's no surprise that these people is gambling like there is no tomorrow.
August 12th, 2011 at 7:04:24 PM
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Quote: pacomartinPeople always forget that China has more people than North and South America and Western Europe combined. Anything they do involving more than 10% of their people is a significant market.
Commercial casino gambling in the USA is only $110 per capita. I doubt that more than 5% of China's population has ever been to Macau.
but that 5% probably holds 70-80 of the nations wealth.
August 12th, 2011 at 7:14:12 PM
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Quote: andysifChina had the largest population in the world (or India?), but they probably also have one of the highest, if not the highest, Gini coefficient.
According the CIA, the US is more unequal than China. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html
August 12th, 2011 at 7:26:06 PM
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Quote: matildaAccording the CIA, the US is more unequal than China. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html
i don't know about other places but if they quote HK as 53.3 and China as 41.5, i would strongly urge them to check their numbers again.
August 12th, 2011 at 8:52:57 PM
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Quote: andysifQuote: matildaAccording the CIA, the US is more unequal than China. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html
i don't know about other places but if they quote HK as 53.3 and China as 41.5, i would strongly urge them to check their numbers again.
They are only saying that a large percentage of the population is equal. GINI doesn't tell you if they are equally poor or equally rich. There are other ways to measure income inequality.
I think the figure that shocked me is the number for Australia at over $1200 per capita for gambling. The cable industry in America which includes cable television, internet access, and increasingly voice over internet protocol telephones has a total revenue of roughly $300 per capita. It's hard to imagine Australia spending four times that amount in gambling.
I assume the gambling is socially acceptable to large segments of Australian population.
August 12th, 2011 at 9:23:06 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambit
This guy deserves to lose for playing like an idiot. To lay that
much money on such a small area of inside numbers and then
be upset because he lost? Well, duh...
I saw a guy at the casino last night doing just that. He was betting
huge stacks on 3 numbers, but never the same 3. He won big a
few times and eventually lost it all. Big surprise.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 12th, 2011 at 9:25:06 PM
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Quote: pacomartinQuote: andysifQuote: matildaAccording the CIA, the US is more unequal than China. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html
i don't know about other places but if they quote HK as 53.3 and China as 41.5, i would strongly urge them to check their numbers again.
They are only saying that a large percentage of the population is equal. GINI doesn't tell you if they are equally poor or equally rich. There are other ways to measure income inequality.
Yes thats my point. The vast majority of China's population are peasants and factory workers, who is making less than US$250 a month, and then you got a few officials and connected businessmen that's holding most of the nation's wealth. While HK do have a few tycoons and big families, it had a solid middle class and the poors are generally still much better off than those in China. To make a wild guess, a corrupted middle ranking official in China makes about 100 times more than a factory worker, while a wealthy businessman in HK probably makes about 30-40 times the average Joe. There is no way China is more "equal" than HK.
(unless you don't count all the illegal income, then everybody is just poor as SXXT)
August 13th, 2011 at 2:34:30 AM
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Quote: pacomartinI think the figure that shocked me is the number for Australia
Canada being that high on the list surprised me the most
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 13th, 2011 at 3:11:58 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitCanada being that high on the list surprised me the most
Actually, I am not that surprised by Canada. You have an urban population concentrated in a few areas within easy drives to casinos. Lottery tickets are plentiful, and you con't have huge concentrations of Baptists and Pentecostals that object to gambling.
Canada has a gaming machine (casino style or VLT) for every 366 people and they are spread fairly uniformly around the country.
USA has a gaming machine for every 413 people and they are NOT spread around the country. If I remove Nevada and Oklahoma from the mix, the density drops immediately to 610 people per gaming machine.
Australia has one machine for every 108 people which puts it in the top 10 countries
Monaco 22
Japan 28 (mostly Pachinko machines)
Aruba 36
Macau 39
Netherlands 44
Gibraltar 63
St Martin 75
Curacao 79
Saint Kitts and Nevis 79
Australia 108
August 13th, 2011 at 9:31:54 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambit
This guy deserves to lose for playing like an idiot. To lay that
much money on such a small area of inside numbers and then
be upset because he lost? Well, duh...
Those 1980s-style baccarat plaques in front of his girlfriend are probably worth way more than everything he lost. He's just upset because his tuxedoed business partner has approached him to remind him that he just missed an important formal dinner. That's the guy leaning over his shoulder. I mean, he clearly doesn't work for the casino, or he'd be trying to reassure the guy following the loss.
I do wonder why the floor is so empty during a time of day when eveningwear is appropriate.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:42:53 AM
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Quote: heatherhe clearly doesn't work for the casino, or he'd be trying to reassure the guy following the loss.
That's not his wife or gf either, she would be angry, not going 'oh, poor baby'
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 13th, 2011 at 10:10:01 AM
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Australian anti gambling song, Blow up the pokies.
There was the stage, two red lights and a dodgy P.A.
You trod the planks way back then
And it's strange that you're here again, here again
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To make you feel better, walk out of this place
and Defeat them in your secret battle
Show them you can be your own man again
Don't, don't explain
Lots of little victories take on the pain
It takes so long to earn
You can double up or you can burn, you can burn
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To make you feel better, walk out of this place
and Defeat them in your secret battle
Show them you can be your own man again
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To blow up the pokies and drag them away
'Cause they're taking the food off your table
So they can say that the trains run on time
Flashing lights, it's a real show
And your wife? I wouldn't go home
The little bundles need care
And you can't be a father there, father there
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To make you feel better, walk out of this place
and Defeat them in your secret battle
Show them you can be your own man again, show them you can be your own man again..
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To blow up the pokies and drag them away
'Cause they're taking the food off your table
So they can say that the trains run on time
The Whitlams
There was the stage, two red lights and a dodgy P.A.
You trod the planks way back then
And it's strange that you're here again, here again
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To make you feel better, walk out of this place
and Defeat them in your secret battle
Show them you can be your own man again
Don't, don't explain
Lots of little victories take on the pain
It takes so long to earn
You can double up or you can burn, you can burn
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To make you feel better, walk out of this place
and Defeat them in your secret battle
Show them you can be your own man again
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To blow up the pokies and drag them away
'Cause they're taking the food off your table
So they can say that the trains run on time
Flashing lights, it's a real show
And your wife? I wouldn't go home
The little bundles need care
And you can't be a father there, father there
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To make you feel better, walk out of this place
and Defeat them in your secret battle
Show them you can be your own man again, show them you can be your own man again..
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To blow up the pokies and drag them away
'Cause they're taking the food off your table
So they can say that the trains run on time
The Whitlams
August 13th, 2011 at 3:06:28 PM
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Quote: heatherQuote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambit
I do wonder why the floor is so empty during a time of day when eveningwear is appropriate.
Private salon?
August 13th, 2011 at 5:06:25 PM
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I found some stats that show people per gambling machine in states and provinces (includes VLTs). In every province of Canada there is some access to gambling machines.
In USA roughly a third of the population lives in a state with few or no gaming machines. Of course, there are states with much higher concentrations of gaming machines (notably Nevada and Oklahoma ) than in Canada
In USA roughly a third of the population lives in a state with few or no gaming machines. Of course, there are states with much higher concentrations of gaming machines (notably Nevada and Oklahoma ) than in Canada
| State | people/machine |
|---|---|
| Manitoba | 139 |
| Saskatchewan | 160 |
| Alberta | 199 |
| Newfoundland | 236 |
| Prince Edward | 280 |
| Nova Scota | 287 |
| New Brunswick | 291 |
| British Columbia | 444 |
| Quebec | 465 |
| Yukon | 539 |
| Ontario | 592 |
| Canada | 366 |
| State | people/machine |
|---|---|
| Nevada | 14 |
| Montana | 48 |
| Oklahoma | 60 |
| Mississippi | 105 |
| Delaware | 126 |
| New Mexico | 133 |
| West Virginia | 155 |
| South Dakota | 160 |
| Rhode Island | 180 |
| Louisiana | 190 |
| Iowa | 196 |
| Oregon | 209 |
| Indiana | 239 |
| Washington | 251 |
| Connecticut | 267 |
| North Dakota | 284 |
| New Jersey | 286 |
| Missouri | 348 |
| Colorado | 379 |
| Idaho | 381 |
| Minnesota | 396 |
| Wyoming | 414 |
| Wisconsin | 417 |
| Michigan | 446 |
| Pennsylvania | 467 |
| Arizona | 544 |
| Florida | 647 |
| California | 770 |
| New York | 789 |
| Kansas | 982 |
| Maine | 1,328 |
| Illinois | 1,351 |
| Arkansas | 2,276 |
| Nebraska | 3,370 |
| Maryland | 3,849 |
| South Carolina | 7,424 |
| Texas | 12,895 |
| Georgia | 21,868 |
| Alabama | |
| Alaska | |
| Hawaii | |
| Kentucky | |
| Massachussets | |
| New Hampshire | |
| North Carolina | |
| Ohio | |
| Tenn | |
| Utah | |
| Vermont | |
| Virginia | |
| D.C. | |
| United States | 411 |
