Quote: ams288For the finale, I just hope that Todd dies a slow, painful death at the hands of Jesse. Nothing personal.
If that happens, you can still enjoy the actor who played Todd on old episodes of Friday Night Lights. On that show he played a soft-spoken nerdy kid. I was happy to see him on BB, as it was like being reunited with an old friend.
Quote: WizardWhat, no comments about yesterday's BB?
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What's to say. The writers are now setting up Todd
and his gang to be even more evil than Walt, and
therefore even more deserving of what's coming for
them. Its so obvious its boring. Shooting the girl in
the back of the head? Totally not needed, just
threatening her so Jesse could see it would have been
enough. And the way they now paint Jesse as the poor
victim in every episode has me groaning out loud.
This was a great show up till the last 10 episodes. It's
like they're dumbing it down so even the dimmest
bulb in the audience 'gets it'. Walt=bad, must be punished.
Todd and gang=bad, ditto. Jesse=bad but redeemable.
He may catch a break. Can't wait to see just how silly
the finale is. If it doesn't fall along the lines that they're
so obviously setting us up for, I'll be shocked to my socks.
Quote: EvenBobShooting the girl in
the back of the head? Totally not needed, just
threatening her so Jesse could see it would have been
enough.
They had already threatened her. Jesse knew she was in danger when they taunted him with the picture of her and the boy in the meth lab. He tried to escape, was caught, and she paid the price. He knew the risk.
Quote: ams288They had already threatened her.
Not in person they didn't. That's step two, you show
the person you can and will hurt them. Killing
them is just dumb, you're wasting your leverage on
something you can't take back. The writers apparently
never saw Jack Bauer in action. Like when Jack was
interrogating a man and wife. He pointed his gun at
the wife and told the husband to talk. The husband
said 'you'll never do it', so Jack shot her in the knee
and pointed his gun at her other knee. That's how
it works, you don't just go and shoot somebody in
the head.
Quote: EvenBobNot in person they didn't. That's step two, you show
the person you can and will hurt them. Killing
them is just dumb, you're wasting your leverage on
something you can't take back. The writers apparently
never saw Jack Bauer in action. Like when Jack was
interrogating a man and wife. He pointed his gun at
the wife and told the husband to talk. The husband
said 'you'll never do it', so Jack shot her in the knee
and pointed his gun at her other knee. That's how
it works, you don't just go and shoot somebody in
the head.
Well I guess the Aryans don't follow the same playbook as you. lol
And they didn't "waste their leverage." As they informed Jesse after they killed her, there's still the boy.
Quote: ams288As they informed Jesse after they killed her, there's still the boy.
More silliness. Who's next, Pinkman's brother? It was a play
by the writers to make Todd and his bro's look evil,
it had nothing to do with anything more than that.
That's the difference between this and the Soprano's.
You never saw this good and evil twaddle there, what
you saw was what you got, deal with it. The Soprano's
was never insulting like this show has gotten.
Quote: EvenBobMore silliness. Who's next, Pinkman's brother? It was a play
by the writers to make Todd and his bro's look evil,
it had nothing to do with anything more than that.
I don't understand your argument. THEY ARE EVIL. Were you hoping for the show to depict the softer side of the nazis?
Plus, I'm too stupid to see the "obvious ending." As they say, ignorance is bliss.
Plus, I'm too stupid to see the "obvious ending." As they say, ignorance is bliss.
Quote: ams288I don't understand your argument. THEY ARE EVIL.
But not evil enough, they have to constantly rub our
noses in it now. You think Todd is evil after shooting
the kid on the dirt bike? You ain't seen nothing yet. Lets
have him be REALLY evil so there will be no complaining
when he gets what's coming to him. Excuse the pun,
but it's overkill.
See how everybody on this show is being punished?
It's like the Hayes Code is back in effect. Skyler
loses everything, her house, her business, her reputation
and her husband. Hank loses his life for arrogantly
going after Walt without telling the DEA. Saul loses
his practice and has to disappear. Jesse is losing everything
that was dear to him. Mike is gone, Lydia is next, it's a given.
The innocent bystanders, Walt Jr and Marie, are losing everything too..
When it's over, every person on this show who had anything
to do with Walt, even his old business partners, will be
punished. I mean, c'mon. You don't find this just a tad preachy
and silly?
Evil be what evil do.
They be evil, and Todd and Jack and company do it like the sick puppies they are,
your weak suspension of disbelief, and complaining about it, notwithstanding.
Perfectly superb screenwriting that is very hard to criticize - with a gazillion Emmy's and viewers,
Bad enough we got Stephen "the Shamu guy" of WOV in-line thread adverts, - we also got EvenBob the Walter Kerr of WOV the best work we've seen on television in a long while.
Can you at least give us some "Damning with faint praise" here and there?
Robert Forster don't have sh]t on you. He'll praise a decent job.
Quote: treetopbuddyCan anybody hook me up with a drum of Methylamine?
We all here have got to come up with the "WOV: the Walter White Junior High School Chemistry set" for that - along with Playskool's "My First Crap Game" - all ages 6 and under. We got enough brain power for that. Let's get to work.
G-d help me if I become a children's game designer, Todd and Jack would look like altar boyz in the hood.
Quote: Paigowdan
Can you at least give give some "Damning with faint praise" here and there?
It's just that the first four seasons were fabulous.
But the producers realized they were showing too
much of the 'other' side of drug dealing, and this
is TV, and this is the USA, so we also have to show
the punishment side. We don't want to encourage
drug dealing, which they really kinda were in the
first four seasons. It has it's ups and down's, but
damn, look at that pile of money in the storage
locker!
So now we get punishment overkill. I'll bet even
Walt's paper boy (if he has one) 'gets his' somehow.
Quote: treetopbuddyCan anybody hook me up with a drum of Methylamine?
You make a joke, but up till this season, how many
dumbshit viewers out there were thinking just that.
And don't think the producers didn't know it.
Now honestly - Did you criticize Scarface or Carlito's Way?
From Carlos Lederer, to the Zetas drug Cartel, - all of whom have hung people from major urban bridges to leaving decapitated corpses outside of Police stations and Cathedrals (and forget about what happens in Kenya if you don't know the name of the Profet's mother), - all real-world reality - what happened on the show Breaking Bad really made American drug kingpins look like penny-ante tiddlywinks.
Absolutely Minor and totally plausible, especially in a screen play.
I, for one, cannot criticize but have to salute Vince Gilligan's work on AMC with this show!
Quote: Paigowdan
I, for one, cannot criticize but have to salute Vince Gilligan's work on AMC with this show!
Great. I can only take it so far, and then he does
nothing but disappoint. From the moment Hank
sat on the toilet and learned the truth, this show
has gone downhill for me. And if you read any of the
opinions out there, I'm for sure not the only one
who feels this way.
Quote: treetopbuddyI thought Methylamine was a fictitious compound. But no........
Breaking Bad is a fictitious compound.
And one that works. Our clean dope, and for many.
We slam it every Sunday night.
Quote: PaigowdanBreaking Bad is a fictitious compound.
And one that works.
Most everything about how to actually make meth is fiction
in this show, on purpose. Learning how to make it
for real is a mouse click away, however.
Quote: EvenBobGreat. I can only take it so far, and then he does
nothing but disappoint. From the moment Hank
sat on the toilet and learned the truth, this show
has gone downhill for me. And if you read any of the
opinions out there, I'm for sure not the only one
who feels this way.
I guess it's very hard to get that "Blue Shit" or that "China Rock" every time you happen to turn on AMC on a Sunday night.
Even Ted Williams didn't bat 1.000
Oh, well. Easy to criticize and complain about beat-shit episodes.
We've all been shorted before on the count, eh, Bob?
Quote: EvenBobThis was a great show up till the last 10 episodes. It's
like they're dumbing it down so even the dimmest
bulb in the audience 'gets it'. Walt=bad, must be punished.
Todd and gang=bad, ditto. Jesse=bad but redeemable.
He may catch a break. Can't wait to see just how silly
the finale is. If it doesn't fall along the lines that they're
so obviously setting us up for, I'll be shocked to my socks.
I must be a simpleton because, I'm enjoying the last ten episodes as much any other ten. I also must be pretty dim because I don't see the obvious ending either. Neither did I see the outcome of the Obama/Romney election so clearly either, but at least won my bets on it.
Quote: WizardI must be a simpleton because, I'm enjoying the last ten episodes as much any other ten. I also must be pretty dim because I don't see the obvious ending either. Neither did I see the outcome of the Obama/Romney election so clearly either.
Thankfully we have Bob as our Oracle.
As a matter of fact, he's our left Oracle.
You, however, remain our Wizard.
Quote: WizardI'm enjoying the last ten episodes as much any other ten. .
And I'm not, each to his own. I have the first four
seasons on DVD, I'll never have this one. Many
critic's thought it should have ended after season
3, they could have brought it all to a head and
killed off Gus Fring and been done with it. There
was way too much filler after season 2, too much
story that added nothing to the show. Lets never
forget this is episodic TV, it's one and only goal
is to sell soap.
It's problematic with a TV series. They only have
an outline, they really have no idea where a show
will end up going. Too many writers, too many
cooks to ruin the stew. MASH is a good example.
The last few years of MASH were so preachy that
it was almost unwatchable. The first 8 seasons
were genius. The Cosby Show, same thing. Walton's
is another one. Watch the first 3 seasons of it
and then watch the last 2 seasons. Two entirely
different programs. People get too big for their britches
and it usually ends up far from where it started.
I hate when people explain after seeing something that they knew that was going to be the outcome.
I'm guessing in the unlikely event that EvenBob decides to enlighten us, it will be very vague.
Quote: DRichI'm guessing in the unlikely event that EvenBob decides to enlighten us, it will be very vague.
Rich -
There's a reason for that.
Our left Oracle needs to conserve his precious formative fluids.
Personally, I am thankful that we are spared.
Edit: or maybe not... @%$#&*
Quote: DRichI would be really interested to hear exactly how the show is going to end, according to EvenBob.
Here's what I said before last night's ep:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/15150-walter-white-dead-or-alive/#post271090
How do I want it to end? I want Walt to live,
that would be a fitting punishment for him. To be
dying of cancer and survey all that he's destroyed.
How do I think the writers will end it? They seem
bound and determined to punish everybody in the
show who even had the slightest relationship with
Walt, so who knows. If they let him off the hook
and don't kill him, you're going to see a massive
number of outraged fans. Depends if they have
guts or not. I'm guessing not.
So to spell it out loud and clear: I want Walt to live.
I think the writers will kill him because that's what
the network and fans want. If he lives, I will come
here and be pleasantly shocked and humbled.
Either way, Brian Cranston had the role of his life.
I loved him in Malcolm, he was brilliant. But this
role was his best, he'll never top it.
4 began. Go and read my comments from then in this thread.
Read Zippy's comments. You will see our gradual disillusionment
start and progress. And it continued into the split season 5.
I'm nothing if not consistent.
Quote: cclub79but the TV in the middle of nowhere with Charlie Rose. Boo. .
And they're not only talking about Walt by name,
they're dissing him! Talk about having to suspend
your disbelief, without hard drugs it's not possible.
I'll take off my hat, writers, hit me with your bat
again, I seem to like it.
Quote: EvenBobAnd they're not only talking about Walt by name,
they're dissing him! Talk about having to suspend
your disbelief, without hard drugs it's not possible.
I'll take off my hat, writers, hit me with your bat
again, I seem to like it.
Thing is, if they really wanted Gray Matter to come back, he could have been pouring over the month's worth of newspapers and read an article about the Schwartzes. That would be super-believable and it could have made him just as upset. I understand the drama of it being on TV, but it wasn't worth the "Cmon, really?" that it caused me.
Quote: EvenBobIt's problematic with a TV series. They only have
an outline, they really have no idea where a show
will end up going. Too many writers, too many
cooks to ruin the stew. MASH is a good example.
The last few years of MASH were so preachy that
it was almost unwatchable. The first 8 seasons
were genius. The Cosby Show, same thing. Walton's
is another one. Watch the first 3 seasons of it
and then watch the last 2 seasons. Two entirely
different programs. People get too big for their britches
and it usually ends up far from where it started.
"House", too. Actually, just about every show overdoes it and ends on a low note.
I think that's why I liked "The Dark Tower" so much. I read it once, and ended exactly where King told me to. It was perfect. I re-read it a second time, but carried on to the ending he did just to satisfy those that must have all their loose ends tied up. I felt raped. He got me good and taught me a lesson with that one.
cable. On the pay channels, it's Soprano's, followed closely
by Deadwood. They pulled it before it jumped the shark.
Deadwood is a classic, I bet I've see every episode at least
10 times. It was what it was because David Milch, the
creator, was a co-writer or writer of every episode and
he reserved last minute editing rights. So you had a show
that was being altered and created as it went long, on the
day of filming. After season 3, Milch was running out of
steam and just walked away after having issues with HBO.
Thank god he did, because it was heading towards creative
thinness, which BB passed in season 4.
Did any Deadwood fans notice Jim Beaver as the slow talking,
eloquent arms dealer in BB? He has a unique way of speaking.
Any writer's dream is to land a major network series with mass appeal, a water-cooler show. They're not trying to write for a niche market, the one-percenters like yourself who consider top-ten shows too mundane. For all your praise of The Sopranos, I thought their fade-to-black finale was horrible. Nothing Vince Gilligan could do for the finale would ever be that awful.
What I've learned about you in this thread is that you've watched one helluva lot of TV over the years, something of which you're very proud, and thank god the Internet's here to make your opinions known.
Quote: Face"House", too. Actually, just about every show overdoes it and ends on a low note.
I think that's why I liked "The Dark Tower" so much. I read it once, and ended exactly where King told me to. It was perfect. I re-read it a second time, but carried on to the ending he did just to satisfy those that must have all their loose ends tied up. I felt raped. He got me good and taught me a lesson with that one.
House is not on anymore?
Quote: zippyboy
What I've learned about you in this thread is that you've watched one helluva lot of TV over the years,.
That's funny, I actually watch very little TV. I haven't
seen a network TV show in over 7 years. I've seen
some hit show in reruns, but not when it airs.
I never saw a single episode of Law and Order, or
any of the CSI shows. Big Bang Theory, I saw 1/2
of one episode somewhere. If I hear a show is
quality, I wait for the DVD's to come out. I started
watching BB at season 3, after I had seen 1 and 2
on DVD. I'm very particular about how I spend my
leisure time.
As far as being a critic, yup, I am. I watch for acting
and writing, the story is third. I'll watch anything if
the acting is outstanding, and the writing is good.
If those start to falter, so does my enthusiasm.
Edit: There is a network show I watched, Lost. What
a colossal waste of time that was, I can't even remember
what it was about. Hawaii looked nice and I used to live
there, so I watched it.
Quote: Mission146House is not on anymore?
Never saw it. I'm getting the DVD's soon.
$10 on Walt to live at +150
$10 on Jessie to be dead at +150
Quote: EvenBobI want Walt to live, but think they'll kill him off, which is no punishment to a guy who's dying anyway.
How do you think they'll kill him off?
It's not exactly a stretch to predict he's gonna die.
HOW he's gonna die is more important.
Quote: ams288How do you think they'll kill him off?
It's not exactly a stretch to predict he's gonna die.
HOW he's gonna die is more important.
Gilligan is huge on tiny foreshadows and minor points becoming important. If it weren't for "Ozymandias" doing the flashback to the Pilot, I would have been sure something from the Pilot would come back in the Finale. Though after "Lost", maybe that's even played out at this point.
be these two things. When Walt has the gun on Todd's uncle,
and he asks Walt if he wants to know where the money is. I
would have done this:
Walt: "Jesse. You want the money?"
Jesse: "What do you think."
Bam, Walt shoots the guy.
I wouldn't have killed off Mike in episode 8. I would have worked
him in so the three of them are in the final scene. Walt is
wounded, Mike and Jesse stagger to the car. Jesse gets in and
Mike turns around:
Mike: "You gonna be all right, Walter?"
Walt: "I'm always all right, Mike. You know that."
And they drive away.
Elliot sure has some big ears, don't he? Damn.
Quote: zippyboySo what becomes of all the millions left behind by Uncle Jack then? Jesse left without it.
I'm kind of glad Jesse didn't end up with the money. That would have made the ending too tidy for me. Everybody gets their comeuppance and Jesse gets to escape with millions of dollars. Doesn't feel true to the show.
Quote: ams288I'm kind of glad Jesse didn't end up with the money. That would have made the ending too tidy for me. Everybody gets their comeuppance and Jesse gets to escape with millions of dollars. Doesn't feel true to the show.
Jesse wants nothing to do with that money. He couldn't get rid of it fast enough when he had some of it. He'd never escape with it.