SilentBob420BMFJ
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May 9th, 2011 at 12:08:56 PM permalink
How often does the Wizard post here? Because he's the only one who can answer this.

Most importantly, what is the effect of not being able to double at all. And then secondly, do we just take the base game on that chart, which has a -.45% EV, and add or subtract the rules listed below?
rdw4potus
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May 9th, 2011 at 12:17:19 PM permalink
I think that if tripling on any two cards is worth an extra 1.64% versus doubling any two cards, then doubling any two is probably worth about 1.64% versus not being able to double.

Here's what I've got:

Base game: .43% HE
Adjustments:
2:1 BJ - 2.27%
H17 +.22%
no resplit +.1%
no doubling +1.6%

New game HE: .08%

Obviously, I'm not being exact here, but that seems in-line with the other offerings in the bonus casino.
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May 9th, 2011 at 12:18:04 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I think that if tripling on any two cards is worth an extra 1.64% versus doubling any two cards, then doubling any two is probably worth about 1.64% versus not being able to double.

Here's what I've got:

Base game: .43% HE
Adjustments:
2:1 BJ - 2.27%
H17 +.22%
no resplit +.1%
no doubling +1.6%

New game HE: .08%

Obviously, I'm not being exact here, but that seems in-line with the other offerings in the bonus casino.



Where did you get that since tripling is worth +1.64% that not being able to double is then worth -1.64%? I'm pretty sure doubling is worth less than that. I'd say this game is definitely positive, I just don't know how much.
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May 9th, 2011 at 12:41:46 PM permalink
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Where did you get that since tripling is worth +1.64% that not being able to double is then worth -1.64%? I'm pretty sure doubling is worth less than that. I'd say this game is definitely positive, I just don't know how much.



Tripling adds one unit to doubling. If doubling is the baseline, then removing doubling should take away approximately the same amount that tripling adds. I think I agree that doubling is worth slightly less than tripling. Tripling just pays more on hands you'd already have doubled, while not being allowed to double will cause you to back into some hands (like 11+5+5=21 on two hits). That's why I used 1.6% in the math and not 1.64%. Maybe I'm underestimating the difference between the relative values of tripling and doubling.

I'm sure someone who knows the actual math will let us know the value of this game eventually...
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May 9th, 2011 at 1:41:44 PM permalink
Using my blackjack house edge calculator, I get a house edge of 0.82%, before factoring the 2-1 on blackjacks and no doubling.

2-1 on blackjacks is worth 2.26% to the player.
No doubling is worth 1.37% to the dealer.

So I show the house edge is 0.82% -2.26% + 1.48% = -0.07%.

Note: This post was edited. Earlier I showed a house edge of 0.04%.
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May 9th, 2011 at 1:51:12 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Using my blackjack house edge calculator, I get a house edge of 0.82%, before factoring the 2-1 on blackjacks and no doubling.

2-1 on blackjacks is worth 2.26% to the player.
No doubling is worth 1.48% to the dealer.

So I show the house edge is 0.82% -2.26% + 1.48% = 0.04%.

Nice! By the way, is it just me, or are other people having trouble loading [http://www.5dimes.com/]5 Dimes.



Would you mind adding "player may not double" to the list of rule variations on the WoO site, since that rule is now known to exist in a game?
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May 9th, 2011 at 2:17:36 PM permalink
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Nice! By the way, is it just me, or are other people having trouble loading [http://www.5dimes.com/]5 Dimes.



Wizard, try logging in with your same id and password at propbet.com. Many times when there are problems with the main site this one will work.
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May 10th, 2011 at 12:55:34 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Using my blackjack house edge calculator, I get a house edge of 0.82%, before factoring the 2-1 on blackjacks and no doubling.

2-1 on blackjacks is worth 2.26% to the player.
No doubling is worth 1.48% to the dealer.

So I show the house edge is 0.82% -2.26% + 1.48% = 0.04%.

Nice! By the way, is it just me, or are other people having trouble loading [http://www.5dimes.com/]5 Dimes.



So this game isn't positive? Aw what the hell. I really thought it would be like +.5%.

I see no point in playing casino games online unless they're positive EV, since you're not getting the full casino experience. You're paying for entertainment with that -EV, but sitting at your computer isn't exactly the same as being in a casino. But then again, no casino is going to have a $1 minimum or a near even EV, let alone both together.

I remember back when the best casino in my area had blackjack at -.5% with $3 tables. And $.05 9/6 Jacks Or Better video poker. All that changed quite quickly. And I heard it used to even better than that in the 90s, like way better. If only I was born in the 70s. But I digress.

Anyways, thanks Wizard.
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May 10th, 2011 at 3:54:28 AM permalink
Quote: SilentBob420BMFJ

Quote: Wizard

Using my blackjack house edge calculator, I get a house edge of 0.82%, before factoring the 2-1 on blackjacks and no doubling.

2-1 on blackjacks is worth 2.26% to the player.
No doubling is worth 1.48% to the dealer.

So I show the house edge is 0.82% -2.26% + 1.48% = 0.04%.

Nice! By the way, is it just me, or are other people having trouble loading [http://www.5dimes.com/]5 Dimes.



So this game isn't positive? Aw what the hell. I really thought it would be like +.5%.

I see no point in playing casino games online unless they're positive EV, since you're not getting the full casino experience. You're paying for entertainment with that -EV, but sitting at your computer isn't exactly the same as being in a casino. But then again, no casino is going to have a $1 minimum along or a game that is damn near even, let alone both together. I remember back when the best casino in my area had blackjack at -.5% with a couple $3 tables. And $.05 9/6 Jacks Or Better video poker. All that changed quite quickly. And I heard it used to even better than that in the 90s, like way better. But I digress.

Anyways, thanks Wizard.



5Dimes has positive games but they aren't worth playing without a bot. If this was .5% positive it really wouldn't be worth playing without a bot either.
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May 10th, 2011 at 2:52:32 PM permalink
Quote: JimMorrison

Quote: SilentBob420BMFJ

Quote: Wizard

Using my blackjack house edge calculator, I get a house edge of 0.82%, before factoring the 2-1 on blackjacks and no doubling.

2-1 on blackjacks is worth 2.26% to the player.
No doubling is worth 1.48% to the dealer.

So I show the house edge is 0.82% -2.26% + 1.48% = 0.04%.

Nice! By the way, is it just me, or are other people having trouble loading [http://www.5dimes.com/]5 Dimes.



So this game isn't positive? Aw what the hell. I really thought it would be like +.5%.

I see no point in playing casino games online unless they're positive EV, since you're not getting the full casino experience. You're paying for entertainment with that -EV, but sitting at your computer isn't exactly the same as being in a casino. But then again, no casino is going to have a $1 minimum or a near even EV, let alone both together.

I remember back when the best casino in my area had blackjack at -.5% with $3 tables. And $.05 9/6 Jacks Or Better video poker. All that changed quite quickly. And I heard it used to even better than that in the 90s, like way better. If only I was born in the 70s. But I digress.

Anyways, thanks Wizard. .



5Dimes has positive games but they aren't worth playing without a bot. If this was .5% positive it really wouldn't be worth playing without a bot either.



+.5% is quite favorable though. I would still only play $1/hand even if it was .5% due to my bankroll being small.

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