what do u think about this?

Ok heres the scoop , I play 6's(because I like the 6 not the 8 haha ,has nothing to do with the math ) hopping only on the come out roll, no matter whether I am playing the pass line or dont pass line(which rarely happens). I usually play C and E $1 each also on the come out roll. Thank you for the answer DJ (5/24). You would be suprised (or maybe not) how many times the 6 becomes the point since there are only 6 points u can establish. If the 6 does not become the point i will place bet the 6. I just like the 6. And for some reason my girl rolls alot of 6's when she throws, especially the hard 6. Thank you again for the answer.


Also I am going to try this next time I goto the Turning Stone in NY. On the come out roll I am going to play 6's hopping $1 each with a $5 passline and C & E (c=$2 & e=$1) and if another number comes up as the point I will place the 6 for $6. Then on the next come out roll I will play 6's hopping $2 each then $3 each then $5 each then $8 each and finally $12 each, only on the following consecutive come out rolls. Obviously I am hoping for the hard 6 on the come out roll but i will take the easy 6's any day. Hope I explained it so you can understand it. It wont take alot of money to at least try it, so good luck to me haha
White C

Good luck.

Some casino manager will be getting a nice bonus the night you play........

I suppose you guys have some method that you use. Guess you must be rich,, with your comments. I didnt put that up to get heckled and it doesnt take any more than $200 to try it and I can stay at the craps table a long time with $200 and get compted to eat and stay. But I guess you guys get vip treatment with your methods. So tell me what "big Holes" are in my method. You dont think the 6 will ever become the point within 6 points established or the 6 will ever be rolled during someones roll. I didnt say I was going to be rich just asked for what you think about my method, not if i was going to make the casino manager rich. always has to be some knowitall in the bunch. thanks for nothing.

Quote: Whitec

I suppose you guys have some method that you use. Guess you must be rich,, with your comments. I didnt put that up to get heckled and it doesnt take any more than $200 to try it and I can stay at the craps table a long time with $200 and get compted to eat and stay. But I guess you guys get vip treatment with your methods. So tell me what "big Holes" are in my method. You dont think the 6 will ever become the point within 6 points established or the 6 will ever be rolled during someones roll. I didnt say I was going to be rich just asked for what you think about my method, not if i was going to make the casino manager rich. always has to be some knowitall in the bunch. thanks for nothing.

The "big holes" in your method are that you are playing the bets with the highest house edge.

While those two jokers could have done a better job with thier reply - or left no reply at all if that was what they were going to post - I can understand where they're coming from.

Personally, I feel that this should have been a continuation of your other thread. Not only is the topic matter the same, but you're even referencing replies made ther.

Whatever.

Your system is just that. A system. All systems will, mathematically, cause a bankroll to shrink.

You talk about the 6 becoming the point within 6 come-outs. FYI: There is a 25% chance that will not happen. Oh, sure, the more come-outs the less likely it is to stil not be the point, but it is entirely within mathematical possibilities for it to not be the point for the entire duration you are at the table.

If your girlfriend really rolls a lot of sixes, then you've got a better shot. But is that reality, or just a fluke?

For what it's worth, here's a table of the chances the point will not be a six, and the number of points established.

Points	Not A 6		Points	Not A 6
1	79.2%		21	0.740%
2	62.7%		22	0.586%
3	49.6%		23	0.464%
4	39.3%		24	0.367%
5	31.1%		25	0.291%
6	24.6%		26	0.230%
7	19.5%		27	0.182%
8	15.4%		28	0.144%
9	12.2%		29	0.114%
10	9.7%		30	0.090%
11	7.7%		31	0.072%
12	6.1%		32	0.057%
13	4.8%		33	0.045%
14	3.8%		34	0.036%
15	3.0%		35	0.028%
16	2.4%		36	0.022%
17	1.9%		37	0.018%
18	1.5%		38	0.014%
19	1.2%		39	0.011%
20	0.9%		40	0.009%

Yeah, it's extremely unlikely that you'll go 40 points without it ever being a 6.

Hell, it's fairly unlikely you'll go 15 points without it being a 6.

But at what point do you go broke trying to catch up?

FYI: The formula is:
Odds The Point Is Not A 6 = ( 19 / 24 ) ^ Number of points

DJ thank you for your reply. at least you gave me your insight about it and not like the other guys.

Like you said its just a system. But can I say anything is possible. Hell I think the record for number of 11's(yo's) in a row is like 84. Yes the whole girlfriend rolling a lot of 6's is probably a fluke but it gets her at the table and we can play with the same bankroll. But we go there for fun and hope to win money or even break even not to go and try and pay the bills with the system.If someone had a system that made them lots of money I highly doubt it that they would share it with anyone.Thanks for the 'table". That's what I was looking for. If you cant go to the casino and expect to lose it all then maybe you shouldn't be going is what I say. So I guess I am done with talking about my system. Thanks for the comments and formulas and for the other guys well you know what you can do!!!

IT WOULD BE ONE THING IF I WAS PLAYING THE 6'S HOPPING CONSECUTIVE BUT I'M NOT. ONLY ON THE COME OUT ROLL

By the way, it occurs to me that the table I provided is misleading when using it for hop bets. The table above is just the odds that the point will not be a six.

The actual odds are a lot worse.

The following table is the odds that a roll will not be a six. The fact that you only make the hop bet on come-outs is irrelevant. If a come-out is not a point, it's still not a 6. Note that the number of rolls can also mean the number of consecutive times the hop 6 lost, and ignores all the times where the hop 6 was not bet.

Rolls	Not A 6		Rolls	Not A 6
1	86.1%		21	4.328%
2	74.2%		22	3.727%
3	63.9%		23	3.209%
4	55.0%		24	2.763%
5	47.3%		25	2.379%
6	40.8%		26	2.049%
7	35.1%		27	1.764%
8	30.2%		28	1.519%
9	26.0%		29	1.308%
10	22.4%		30	1.127%
11	19.3%		31	0.970%
12	16.6%		32	0.835%
13	14.3%		33	0.719%
14	12.3%		34	0.619%
15	10.6%		35	0.533%
16	9.1%		36	0.459%
17	7.9%		37	0.396%
18	6.8%		38	0.341%
19	5.8%		39	0.293%
20	5.0%		40	0.253%

The formula is:
Odds that the roll is not a 6 = ( 31 / 36 ) ^ Rolls

Subjectively I can say that 6 does appear more often than 8.
Just about everytime the point is 9 it is made.
Just about everytime I play I can build up quite a bundle on various DontBets ... the dice will come to my companion... and she will murder me, knocking down my DontCome bets, and then seven out.

I've not looked up the house edge on this betting combination, but as long as he knows he is making a high house edge bet, that is his choice.

ok this is how I play it
on the come out roll this is what I call,, 6's hopping , which is 5-1 4-2 and 3-3 ,, $1 each ($3 total for all 3 bets)
I place $5 on the pass line and $2 on craps(C) and $1 on Yo eleven(e)
If I hit a easy 6 5-1 4-2 I call out 16 and down which they take all the hopping bets down and pay me $16 ($15 for 15-1 for the easy 6's and $1 for my bet I won on)
If I hit a hard 6 3-3 i call out 31 and down which they take all the hopping bets down and pay me $31($30 for the 30-1 for the hard 6 and $1 for my bet I won on)
If a 7 comes up I win $5 which I put back up my hopping bets with the $5 I won plus $1 because it cost me $6 total(hopping bets and c&e bets).
If crap comes up I win $14 but lose my pass line and my hopping bets and the E(yo) bet. So I have them put back up my hopping bets which is $3 and back up on my E(yo) bet which is $1 so they actually pay me $10. which then I put back up my $5 on the pass line and "pocket" $5.
If a 11(yo) comes up I win $5 on my pass line and win $15 on the E(yo) hopping and they put me back up on the craps for $2 and back up on the 6's hopping bet for $3, so they actually only pay me $10(yo) and $5(pass line) which I "pocket".
So if they 6 comes up I play $6 on the 8.
and if any other number comes up I play $6 on the 6.
This is why i don't play 6's hopping after the come out roll, because in some way I already have it. Whether its the pass line if the 6 is the point or I place bet the 6 if its another point.
Here's the new part -------------
Then on following come outs I would play 6's hopping $2each then $3,$5,$8, and then finally $12. Which only playing the 6's hopping on the come out rolls is $93 invested. $3-$6-$9-$15-$24-$36= $93
And I play the rest of my bets accordingly to how the table is doing.
Also place betting the 6 would be $6 then $12 then $18 then $24 and so on...Each time winning on the 6 ,,I would bring the 6 back down to $6.. until I have won 2x's on it in a row then up a unit every other win.
Go it,, sounds confusing but if you play it enough its second nature and even the dealers know what I am playing and How I am playing it.

p.s. I dont know if the first time i posted this it posted for me

Quote: FinsRule

Good luck.

I'm not sure why I'm getting yelled at for my reply. I'm sincerely wishing you good luck, I hope you win.

I'm sure the OP is intelligent enough to know that he hasn't figured out a system for beating craps. He has devised a system that he enjoys playing.

There's nothing wrong with his system, really. I hop the 5 every time I shoot because I seem to hit 5 as my point more often than I should. I know it's dumb, but I do it anyway.

As long as you realize that any betting system won't change the house edge, and hop bets have a high house edge, use the system and once again, I sincerely am wishing you Good Luck. You'll win some days and you'll lose some days...

Quote: FinsRule

I'm not sure why I'm getting yelled at for my reply. I'm sincerely wishing you good luck, I hope you win.

All by itself the way it was, seems very sarcastic.

Quote: FinsRule

I hop the 5 every time I shoot because I seem to hit 5 as my point more often than I should. I know it's dumb, but I do it anyway.

I gotta do the math, but wouldn't it be better to simply place the 5 and have it working?

My wife throws a lot of fives, and that's what I do when she's shooting.

Quote: Whitec

I suppose you guys have some method that you use. Guess you must be rich,, with your comments. I didnt put that up to get heckled and it doesnt take any more than $200 to try it and I can stay at the craps table a long time with $200 and get compted to eat and stay. But I guess you guys get vip treatment with your methods. So tell me what "big Holes" are in my method. You dont think the 6 will ever become the point within 6 points established or the 6 will ever be rolled during someones roll. I didnt say I was going to be rich just asked for what you think about my method, not if i was going to make the casino manager rich. always has to be some knowitall in the bunch. thanks for nothing.

Relax. Read the Forum Rules and pay special attention to #5. Lose the attitude and enjoy this forum.

Welcome aboard!

Quote: DJTeddyBear

All by itself the way it was, seems very sarcastic.


I gotta do the math, but wouldn't it be better to simply place the 5 and have it working?

My wife throws a lot of fives, and that's what I do when she's shooting.

Yeah, it wasn't really sarcastic. Just pretty much one of those things where there isn't really anything meaningful to say, so you say very little.

Anyway, I used to put $5 on the pass line and $5 on the field when I would shoot, instead of putting $1 any craps.

If you bet like that, the worst result is a 5, because you lose the field and you have a harder point to hit than a 6 or an 8. So, it seemed like I was always hitting the 5 when I was doing that betting method. So I made a habit of betting $2 on the 5 on my comeout. I don't really care about it working while I shoot.

I am very relaxed , only got on this site to ask what the odds and possibilities were on the 6 being the point on the come out roll. Didn't expect comments like "making some casino manager rich when I am playing at a casino" Don't we all make them rich.
DJ answered my questions and I just elaborated on how I play is all. Never heard of anyone getting rich off of any system no matter what game. I leave the attitude for real life not an internet forum!! But thanks anyways..

p.s. thank you DJ and thanks to Fin for wishing me luck, sorry I took it the wrong way.

Quote: Whitec

I am very relaxed , only got on this site to ask what the odds and possibilities were on the 6 being the point on the come out roll. Didn't expect comments like "making some casino manager rich when I am playing at a casino" Don't we all make them rich.
DJ answered my questions and I just elaborated on how I play is all. Never heard of anyone getting rich off of any system no matter what game. I leave the attitude for real life not an internet forum!! But thanks anyways..

p.s. thank you DJ and thanks to Fin for wishing me luck, sorry I took it the wrong way.

A question for Whitec... What do you do if you win these hopping bets? Do you press, flat bet, or take the money and run?

Quote: Whitec

p.s. thank you DJ and thanks to Fin for wishing me luck, sorry I took it the wrong way.

You're welcome.

And, I apologize.

In the other thread, I called it a "system." Systems, as a rule, suck, and will lose. But then again, simply walking into a casino is usually a losing proposition too.

The difference is, often when the term "system" is used, people automatically think it means "Can't lose system".

If we simply call it a "Strategy" or "method of playing" or whatever, keeping in mind that no matter what the math says you'll probably lose, then you can enjoy it much more.


And nobody loses every time, so good luck on your next attempt to have a winning session.

Quote: Ayecarumba

A question for Whitec... What do you do if you win these hopping bets? Do you press, flat bet, or take the money and run?

Read the first post on this page.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Read the first post on this page.

I don't see a win goal, outside of "pocketing" a few nickles. If the winnings will be put back into play or pressed, they will eventually ground away. The "non-6' point followed by no 6's then a seven out" sequence, will kill all your action, and eventually take your bankroll. I would recommend setting a session goal, and walking away if you happen to reach it, just as having a loss limit for each sessin ensures that you don't blow your whole bankroll on the first cold streak.