Resorts Fires Waitresses

Resorts in Atlantic City has fired 16 cocktail waitresses after telling them that they are not a fit for their sexy new uniforms. Some of the women have been on the job since the casino opened in 1978. Is anyone sensing positive EV here?

I'll let you know after the Walmart suit settles.

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These new outfits are part of the hotels rebranding, tied-in with a 1920s-theme, echoing Boardwalk Empire; the cocktail waitresses were asked to slip into skimpy flapper costumes, complete with fishnet stockings and high heels. The women claim the only available outfits were sizes 2 and 4, and a modeling agency hired by the casino judged and dismissed them if they weren't found "feminine enough."

Flappers were traditionally flat as a flounder. I say hire drag queens with no hips.

Before I had kids, I was like a size zero, which wasn't terribly feminine. "Boyish" would have been charitable.

It seems to me that it's perfectly acceptable to hire based on looks but firing based on looks is just bad form - I hope these women got a sufficient severance. Although, if you have a job that depended on you looking good you really shouldn't let yourself go and it's insulting to the company you work for if you do. I'm a little speechless on this.

Legally and from a mere public relations viewpoint this is dangerous ground, but lets face it: anyone can carry a tray of drinks and make change and stuff like that. The position has always been closely linked to the display of anatomy and that means that youth is itself a factor.

I would realize its difficult legally but although we don't say only fat men to ring a bell at Christmas time they can define the position along anatomical requirements. The job is not serving drinks, its serving drinks in a friendly manner that involves display of the anatomy, fundamental sexual appeal, posing for photos with your arm around a slightly sloshed gambler who wants his friend to snap a momento photo, constantly smiling even though you don't like being ogled and occasionally pawed by drunks and constantly walking around as if you thought you were wearing flats instead of high heels. Thats the way the casino makes the guys leave with an empty wallet but a smile on their face. The empty wallet part is easy, the smile is what brings the customer back again.

Male dealers have to keep their appearances up and invest in some dental work and alot of time in the gym. Its not as if middle aged males are not subject to unusually strict standards as well. Just look at that semi final round in a poker tournament: if its males, the money is brought out by women in skimpy outfits. If its female finalists, the women wear evening gowns. Yet either way, the women are young and attractive. Its Sin City not Sag City.

If I owned a casino would I be so strict about it? No. I'd remind them when they were hired that its a youth and beauty ambiance issue. Don't get implants to work here, but if you already have them you will probably be making more in tips than otherwise. I'd never force a cocktail waitress to wear high heels though and I'd never say that pawing must be endured, only that they are expected to know how to deal with a too jovial drunk without instantly calling for security. Its a fine line. Barmaids and cocktail waitresses are not hired for their ability to mix and serve drinks, that is merely the Jacks Or Better part.

You don't see 80 year old females in the topless dance revues. And no amount of Equal Rights campaigning is ever going to change that. Same thing with those Chippendale shows... fat old fogies like me just won't get hired as a Chippendale's dancer.

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Before I had kids, I was like a size zero, which wasn't terribly feminine. "Boyish" would have been charitable.

Real women wear size 12 :P

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You don't see 80 year old females in the topless dance revues.

No, but you sure do see 'em waitressing at Ballys. I think Ballys' policy is "If MGM Grand hired you ladies back when it opened here in 1973, you've got tenure".

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Real women wear size 12 :P

Real fat women.

I'm not at attorney, but the airlines have weight limits for their flight attendants. Some have been fired for gaining too much weight, and I believe the subsequent lawsuits went in favor of the airlines, because such rules were clearly in the employment contract. I would imagine Resorts would have a similar clause for them to have the confidence to do what they did.

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I would imagine Resorts would have a similar clause for them to have the confidence to do what they did.

Not to mention if many of them have been there since 78, they're is their 50's now.

As I understand it, the waitresses that didn't fit the new mold were offered jobs elsewhere in the facility, but they declined.

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Real fat women.

I can't confirm from the Internet whether Marilyn Monroe was as much as a size 16. She was a least a size 10 even when she was in her prime. There's some controversy about "vanity" sizing. "Large" people nowadays may be equivalent with fashion sizes of yesteryear, courtesy of the fashion industry fudging sizing to keep people thinking they are smaller than they are.

I don't know about American Sizes, but size 12 is a perfectly shapely size for lady without being "fat". Depends on height, build and curves.

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I don't know about American Sizes, but size 12 is a perfectly shapely size for lady without being "fat". Depends on height, build and curves.

If she's six feet tall. I'm married to a woman, remember? I know what all her sizes have been thru the years. An average size woman does not wear a 12.

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I can't confirm from the Internet whether Marilyn Monroe was as much as a size 16. She was a least a size 10 even when she was in her prime. There's some controversy about "vanity" sizing. "Large" people nowadays may be equivalent with fashion sizes of yesteryear, courtesy of the fashion industry fudging sizing to keep people thinking they are smaller than they are.

Age at death: 36
Dress size: 12
Weight: 118 pounds
Measurements( studio's claim): 37-23-36 (inches)
Measurements (dressmaker's claim): 35-22-35 (inches)
Hair: Natural Brown, dyed Blonde
Eyes: Blue
Height: 5 feet, 5½ inches
Pant Size: 8
Shoe Size: 7AA (US)
Bra Size: 36D

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I can't confirm from the Internet whether Marilyn Monroe was as much as a size 16.

She was a size 12, but what was a 12 in 1960 is now an 8. They have gradually changed in the last 50 years.

I remember when Hooters was sued for not hiring male waiters, the argument was that entertainment is an official part of the job description. I think this gives employers some leeway. Obviously the producer of a movie or play will have appearance requirements for their entertainers (even for race).

I have often wondered if Imperial Palace's "dealertainers" opened the door for the sexy dealers.

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I remember when Hooters was sued for not hiring male waiters, the argument was that entertainment is an official part of the job description. I think this gives employers some leeway. Obviously the producer of a movie or play will have appearance requirements for their entertainers (even for race).

I have often wondered if Imperial Palace's "dealertainers" opened the door for the sexy dealers.

"The Bank" Casino solved this problem a few years back by calling the waitresses "models who serve." I'd have no problem with this IRL as long as it was clearly stated. If someone wants to know why appearance is important the simple answer is, "because the person who is paying for it said it was." EOS.

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"The Bank" Casino solved this problem a few years back by calling the waitresses "models who serve." I'd have no problem with this IRL as long as it was clearly stated. If someone wants to know why appearance is important the simple answer is, "because the person who is paying for it said it was." EOS.

But in our country, as an example, you can't not hire a black man as a waiter because 'the person who is paying says so'. You can't not hire a Muslim man as a security guard because 'the person who is paying says so'. There are things you can and cannot use to choose whether or not to hire someone. I think the 'models that serve' concept works ok, because that is what they really are.

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I have often wondered if Imperial Palace's "dealertainers" opened the door for the sexy dealers.

The Little Richard guy is HAWT!! (okay, not really)

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The Little Richard guy is HAWT!! (okay, not really)

It's kind of amazing that a Robert Goulet impersonator has a paying job.

It would kind of be interesting what the legal departments in the casinos sign off on.

I have heard that part of the size requirement for flight attendants has to do with the ability to easily run down the narrow aisle in emergencies. That would be a physical definition directly related to the job, not an issue of attractiveness.

I would guess that as an entertainment venue, a casino would have much more leeway in hiring based on sex, age and attractiveness compared to a traditional bar or restaurant. Casinos sell a lot of ambience, think about the interior of Paris. The waitresses are dressed in a matching theme and add to the general fun environment.

I suppose anybody can sue for anything, and the lawyers must be confident they would win on a case by case basis. Job descriptions for an actor can be very specific, down to age, race, height, etc. This casting call for Pirates of the Caribbean 4 was pretty funny:
""Beautiful female fit models. Must be 5ft 7in-5ft 8in, size 4 or 6, no bigger or smaller. Age 18-25. Must have a lean dancer body. Must have real breasts. Do not submit if you have implants."

I don't know if you could legally get away with anything much more specific than "beautiful, able to fit in the skimpy uniforms we provide" for casino waitresses. Considering the size of MGM and Caesar's, I'm sure a crack legal team as pored over the issue thoroughly.

But as funny as the Pirates description was, I'm sure the job description for a Dealertainer is even funnier.

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But as funny as the Pirates description was, I'm sure the job description for a Dealertainer is even funnier.

If you take a look at the dealertainers, LIVE - not the airbrushed shots on the website, you'll probably wonder what the requirements are, or how they qualified.

If it weren't for the dealer's license or whatever, I would assume that being a dealertainer is a prize given out at the Karaoke bar.

Here's the Article

With a great looking picture!

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Resorts hopes to attract younger customers to the casino by creating a sexier atmosphere, including having cocktail servers dress up in costumes reminiscent of the 1920s flapper girls.

Wait a sec...

They think a 90-something theme will attract a 20-something crowd?

That's the way it usually works. If I grew up in the 20s (30s, 40s,...), that theme would be the last thing I'd want to see.

Treasure Island morphed into the TI and the attack of the pirates morphed into a Pirates and Sirens sexy dance type thing.
Everyone seems to keep trying to come up with some theme or theme adjustment. The Luxor pretty much lost all its Egyptian identity and became simply a hotel. Everyone seems to be putting time and effort into non-gaming changes. I came across some photos of a Tit Pit and I swear none of the men were looking at the girls. It seems some places don't want to spend the money to do it right.

A great many people seem to like those Dealertainers. I don't know why but I guess some consultant at Harrah's knows why.

The argument is if you can enhance the background and the hair color, why can't you just add a little digital umph to the breasts.

Keira is reported to be a 32A-22-33 and was just 17 when she shot the first Pirate of the Caribbean movie.

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If she's six feet tall. I'm married to a woman, remember? I know what all her sizes have been thru the years. An average size woman does not wear a 12.

I know woman, and I've lived with some, and I know their sizes. An average size women does wear a 12. Unless the US 12 is some sort of circus tent. It could be for all I know.

And thats all I have to say about that.

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I know woman, and I've lived with some, and I know their sizes. An average size women does wear a 12. Unless the US 12 is some sort of circus tent. It could be for all I know.

And thats all I have to say about that.

Well US size 0 is a uk size 4 (i think) so that means a uk 12 is a us 16. I could google it but I am just too lazy.

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I know woman, and I've lived with some, and I know their sizes. An average size women does wear a 12. Unless the US 12 is some sort of circus tent. It could be for all I know.

And thats all I have to say about that.

Here's what an expert says: "Vintage Clothing sizes are much much smaller than today's clothing sizes. Without getting into a really long explanation of the changes made in American clothing size charts during the last 50 years, let me say this...generally speaking, vintage clothing sizes run 4-6 sizes smaller than clothing sizes today. For example, I normally wear a size 4-6 in most everything ( dress, pants, skirts) but if I'm trying on a 50's dress, I need a size 12."

In today's clothes, Marylyn Monroe would be a 4 or a 6. Size 12 now is almost a plus size.

Cases involving the Playboy Clubs and Hooters, for instance, set strong legal precedents for companies to set such standards.

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Cases involving the Playboy Clubs and Hooters, for instance, set strong legal precedents for companies to set such standards.

Unless I'm mistaken, that goes for the Borgata as well.

The difference is, those standards, as well as the maintenance requirements, were made public (or at least known to the applicants) prior to the first employee being hired.

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Well US size 0 is a uk size 4 (i think) so that means a uk 12 is a us 16. I could google it but I am just too lazy.

A size number means nothing unless you specify country and type (women's misses, pettite, juniors, etc.) And yet you get some men bent out of shape if the size isn't in the low single digits. The only think funnier is when men discuss cup sizes as if they meant something by themselves :)

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Unless I'm mistaken, that goes for the Borgata as well.

Absolutely and famously.

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The difference is, those standards, as well as the maintenance requirements, were made public (or at least known to the applicants) prior to the first employee being hired.

I can't think of any prohibition on changing the standards while in operation, as long as they don't have problems like arbitrariness and inequality.

This story is not going away. Inside Edition just did a piece on it tonight. Four longtime Resorts waitresses were interviewed along with Gloria Allred.

Two weeks ago, I was in Resorts and was asked by a waitress if I wanted a beverage. She was slim and fit into her cocktail waitress outfit but Oh My Freakin GAWD did she have butterface!! They're only firing the Rubenesque ones, the homely ones, they're keeping!

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Two weeks ago, I was in Resorts and was asked by a waitress if I wanted a beverage. She was slim and fit into her cocktail waitress outfit but Oh My Freakin GAWD did she have butterface!!

Butterface? Butter has a face?

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Butterface? Butter has a face?

Really?....

BUT-HER-FACE