1. The same people are making the same kinds of arguments with the same varying degrees of vitriol, the same qualities of logic ranging from sharp and penetrating to bottom-of-the-cesspool murky, and the same entertainment value.
2. JerryLoganRobSinger is back (of course), this time as the forthrightly named "RobSinger", and is showing the same hostility, the same skewed and often bizarre opinions dragged from the outhouse of the American right wing, the same strong reactions to being not only disagreed with, but also, not vigorously agreed with, and of course, the occasional mention of The Undeniable Truth about...something...was it fairies? Alchemy? Pyramid power? One thing which seems to have been watered down is the sheer naked viciousness that the "JerryLogan" version of JLRS so often represented. The same POVs exist, and are often just as odious, but are pitched in a less acidic way. So, a definite improvement. (Like cockroaches, JerryLogans ultimately survive nuking.)
3. No more than 20% of the threads, give or take, are about gambling. Probably because just about every question everyone could ask has already been asked and answered. Probably has something to do with the creation of so many off-topic topics.
I'll post a mini-trip report tonight about how I dragged my neophyte nephew through the coupon pits of Vegas and got him a $600 bankroll from a starting point of $0--which he being a smarter man than his uncle, he promptly put in the bank instead of gambling further :) Where did I go wrong....
Hello again to everyone who cares, and a bllabial fricative to anyone who doesn't--and especially RobJerry (**SMOOCH**)
Quote: mkl654321
Hello again to everyone who cares,
Well, there goes the neighborhood. Where's that 'block forever' function?
Are we gonna ban Nareed too just because he has 8 typos per post? Of course not. Let it go. I like this forum because it's all over the place, and not just devoted to one topic. And we can swear without it being replaced by [CENSORED] in mid-paragraph.
Long live Wizard of Vegas and all its members!
Perhaps because this sit is not exclusive to gambling, but all things related to Vegas and the gaming industry, including casinos elsewhere.Quote: mkl6543213. No more than 20% of the threads, give or take, are about gambling. Probably because just about every question everyone could ask has already been asked and answered. Probably has something to do with the creation of so many off-topic topics.
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But regardless about that, it seems like your post was designed to do nothing but ruffle feathers. I wish you wouldn't do that. Things have been nice and calm for a while.
Yeah, Rob seems to have some of the same points of view as Jerry, he's far more subdued.
Frankly, I do not believe they are the same person.
Quote: RobSingerI asked why you were not here when I came on recently and no one would say. All they did was belittle you. Now I see why. You're fixated on things you make up that you know torture you. I hope you do better this time.
Ahhhh...more of the "Undeniable Truth"...
Seriously, I congratulate you on the relative self-restraint you've apparently shown so far. I know how difficult it is for you.
Quote: zippyboyAre we gonna ban Nareed too just because he has 8 typos per post? Of course not. Let it go.
Nareed's command of English is superb. His first language is spelled almost exactly like it sounds, so you can forgive not spelling all the contorted words correctly.
As one friend said to me, What is with the English word 'play'. You 'play' football, you 'play' the piano, you 'play' instead of work, you 'play' around, and you go to a 'play'. In Spanish all those things are considered completely different, and there is a different word for each one. Incidentally in Spanish you don't 'play' the guitar or the piano, you 'touch' the piano or guitar.
Sure enough every time you have a word like that in English, it's been around for about 12 centuries. It's from the Old English word, plegian "to exercise, frolic, perform music," of uncertain origin. Opposed to work (verb) since late 14th century. To play up "emphasize" is from 1909; to play down "minimize" is from 1930. To play with oneself "masturbate" is from 1896; play for keeps is from 1861, originally of marbles or other children's games with tokens. To play the (something) card is attested from 1886; to play fair is from mid-15th century. Play-dough is first recorded 1959. To play (something) safe is from 1911; to play favorites is attested from 1902.
Play the field "avoid commitment" (1936) is from notion of gamblers betting on other horses than the favorite.
Just sayin'. It's all good.
Quote: DJTeddyBearBut regardless about that, it seems like your post was designed to do nothing but ruffle feathers. I wish you wouldn't do that. Things have been nice and calm for a while.
Yeah, Rob seems to have some of the same points of view as Jerry, he's far more subdued.
Frankly, I do not believe they are the same person.
My post was largely motivated by my surprise at seeing "RobSinger" back in action, after he stomped off in a huff a few months ago, vowing never to return; it was also motivated by my surprise that he hasn't really modified his persona (and "Rob Singer", "RobSinger", "JerryLogan", etc. etc. etc. are definitely constructed personae). I also think that if whoever used to post under "JerryLogan" got permanently banned, he shouldn't be allowed to simply come back under another screen name. And "JerryLogan" and "RobSinger" are definitely, absolutely the same person; he/"they" were conclusively outed in a very long and meticulously researched and detailed series of posts by another member some time ago (that member was then viciously attacked by "JerryLogan" AND "RobSinger", if memory serves).
Frankly, if "RobSinger" kept to his relatively subdued persona and didn't go all JerryLogan on anyone, I wouldn't mind having him around (end-around the forum rules notwithstanding). But as a for-instance, his remarks on the drunk driving thread were both inflammatory and contained many ad hominem attacks, where he disparaged the person with whom he disagreed as having some sort of character flaw that produced that disagreement. I do view his presence as disruptive and counterproductive, but others (the Wiz included) seem to like him, or at least tolerate him. Again, I think that he shouldn't be allowed to post here, for the simple reason that he's been permanently banned, but it's not my forum.
Quote: teddysNice (?) to have you back, and to see that you haven't changed either.
Thanks (?)
Quote: zippyboyNo, no, no. I'm not referring to command of the English language. I'm talking about his frequent typos,
I type too fast and don't proofread.
That aside, you call me "he" again, I shall be seriously annoyed.
Quote: zippyboyAhhhh, okay then. Didn't know. "Nareed" gives me no clue to your gender. I've been schooled now. "farfromvegas" has let us know she's female. "hotblonde" has posted pics. I just didn't know. Sorry.
You missed the 4,699 posts on Nareed's transgender odyssey?
To clarify, you weren't incorrect in your use of the pronoun; but Nareed prefers to call himself female, and would prefer that others do as well. But as the hawkers at Yankee stadium used to yell, "You can't tell the players without a scorecard!" So you weren't at fault; you had no way of knowing.
Nareed... pics? ummmm, wait, not really.
Quote: zippyboyHa! Actually, I did get the idea Nareed was a gay man from a couple posts, but missed the whole odyssey. Then this whole "I'll be offended" comment made me think I misjudged.
I am not a gay man.
Quote: zippyboyHa! Actually, I did get the idea Nareed was a gay man from a couple posts, but missed the whole odyssey. Then this whole "I'll be offended" comment made me think I misjudged. Nareed... pics? ummmm, wait, not really.
Gotta learn GLBT speak. A "gay man" is a man who likes to sleep with men. A "transgender" is different, whether the operation is or isn't complete. You are tasked with watching TransAmerica , as well as Muxes - Authentic, Intrepid Seekers of Danger .
Quote: DJTeddyBearBut regardless about that, it seems like your post was designed to do nothing but ruffle feathers. I wish you wouldn't do that. Things have been nice and calm for a while.
Are you familiar with the fable of the scorpion and the turtle?
Just block him while he does his best to buy a nuclear option.
Quote: teddysNice (?) to have you back, and to see that you haven't changed either
Quote: mkl654321Thanks (?)
LOL(?)
Quote: NareedI am not a gay man.
Zippy, think Clinger on the old Mash series. Clinger before Radar left.
Quote: EvenBobZippy, think Clinger on the old Mash series. Clinger before Radar left.
Your not even close.
Quote: pacomartinYour not even close.
Hey, Clinger looked pretty darn good sometimes..
Quote: DJTeddyBearPerhaps because this site is not exclusive to gambling, but all things related to Vegas and the gaming industry, including casinos elsewhere.
But regardless about that, it seems like your post was designed to do nothing but ruffle feathers. I wish you wouldn't do that. Things have been nice and calm for a while.
Yeah, Rob seems to have some of the same points of view as Jerry, he's far more subdued.
Frankly, I do not believe they are the same person.
Frankly I neither believe nor care if they are the same person. Its not related to Las Vegas or Gambling or anything the least bit relevant. Interesting for some perhaps, entertaining to a few perhaps, but annoying to most.
We are not here for the bickering that some seem to enjoy. Quite frankly, I rarely read who the author of a post is, I read its contents. The trouble is that although there is an off topic area people don't seem to use it. Or if they do use it, there is no warning in the subject line alerting someone that its some thread about Lady Fingers that are not from a rich, white, republican, heterosexual, well-educated right-handed lady! Quite frankly, I wouldn't really mind some very occasional and very limited mentioning of a woman who once contemplated voting democratic (though of course I would not want any discussion about one who had actually done so).
So can we just get back to topics that are gambling and Vegas related. And if in some discussion about a normal distribution curve of contrapositive odds bets in a Martingale progression of hop bets made by people who split tens one poster happens to be a gay left-handed mutant ninja turtle, can we leave that to some meet-up thread where there is a discussion of how to recognize someone else at the bar. Otherwise, its simply just not relevant.
You're right.Quote: FleaStiffFrankly I neither believe nor care if they are the same person.Quote: DJTeddyBearFrankly, I do not believe they are the same person.
I should have included "nor care" as well.
Of course, I'm simply hopeful that the bickering nonsense be kept to a minimum.
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Regarding Nareed / Klinger -
That comparison is WAY off.
Klinger's only reason to dress as a woman was an attempt to get a Section 8 Psycho Discharge to get out of the Army. He was no more of a transsexual than a kid on Halloween is the character they portray.
Quote: mkl654321
But as a for-instance, his remarks on the drunk driving thread were both inflammatory and contained many ad hominem attacks, where he disparaged the person with whom he disagreed as having some sort of character flaw that produced that disagreement. .
Nightfly called me a moron in that thread. Do you think, it is also the same person as Jerry?
Wouldn't it be nice if everyone who does not know how to reason maturely or make a civilized argument turned out to really be the one and the same person? :)
Quote: RobSingerI'm sure the Wizard is proud of threads like this.
He probably shakes his head in front of his computer, sighs, and says, "What have I created!?!?"
Quote: EvenBobZippy, think Clinger on the old Mash series. Clinger before Radar left.
It was "Klinger", and he was a cross-dresser, not a transsexual, and he did it not for pleasure, but to garner a Section 8 to get out of the army. It never worked, but he seemed to have fun with it anyway.
As I understand it, neither cross-dressing nor transsexualism has very much to do with sexuality.
Quote: weaselmanNightfly called me a moron in that thread. Do you think, it is also the same person as Jerry?
Wouldn't it be nice if everyone who does not know how to reason maturely or make a civilized argument turned out to really be the one and the same person? :)
No--Nightfly, while on occasion nasty, usually makes reasoned arguments, and does not haunt internet boards with the apparent sole purpose of antagonizing people.
The signature characteristic of RobJerryLoganSinger is his tendency to make ad hominem attacks. Doing so is a childishly ineffective way to make a point--so what if the person who said something with which you disagree IS a diseased mentally retarded pervert--how does that refute the point that person made?
Inability, or unwillingness, to reason effectively and an acid-spewing inclination are two separate characteristics, which when combined give us the quintessential internet troll. They'll always be around, and it would indeed be nice if they were all one person--then we could track that person down, wrap him in miles of Ducttape, and ship him to Baffin Island with no forwarding address. But as the almost immediate resurfacing of JerryLogan demonstrated all too clearly, you can nuke a screen name, but not the actual troll behind it.
Quote: DJTeddyBearOf course, I'm simply hopeful that the bickering nonsense be kept to a minimum.
Not while you're awake, I'm afraid.
But I'm confident the Logan family will engage in some MAD action (that's Mutual Assured Destruction for those too young to know). Who knows? They may take some of their fans like Bob along with them.
Oh well, it was refreshing while it lasted ...
Congrats, mkl. You win the internet. Me and my 1/8 count of posts, even though we joined at about the same time, simply don't have the weird need for approval and "influence" from internet forum members that you have. And if I did, I wouldn't lie about it like you do even though the frequency and content of your posts betrays that lie.
Wizard, nice knowin' ya and your forum, but I'm going elsewhere from now on. You do a good job, except for maybe protecting your forums. Too bad, I was thinking about meeting up on our trip to Vegas Uncork'd, but oh well. I'll be long forgotten by then.
Quote: ItsCalledSoccerLess than one day back, a couple dozen or so posts in a dozen or so different topics, most of which are pejorative, condescending, insulting, despite everybody failing to understand the clear point that you know everything about everything.
Oh well, it was refreshing while it lasted ...
I already am quite aware of the ideological, extralogical source of your opposition to me. Oh, sorry, that was "condescending". And I continue to find hilarity in your perjorative, condescending, and insulting complaints about my supposedly showing those characteristics.
As I said, some things never change.
Quote: ItsCalledSoccer
Wizard, nice knowin' ya and your forum, but I'm going elsewhere from now on.
Just block him like I did, you knew this was coming. We all did.
Quote: EvenBobJust block him like I did, you knew this was coming. We all did.
The difference between EvenBob and me is that I've never told anyone that they should block Bob--I don't believe I should have any say in what people read.
You're right. You don't. You're blocked.Quote: mkl654321The difference between EvenBob and me is that I've never told anyone that they should block Bob--I don't believe I should have any say in what people read.
Quote: PeteMYou're right. You don't. You're blocked.
Then how did you read my post at all?
Welcome back all the same.
Quote: AussieMKL calling someone a troll is like a biggest loser contestant calling someone fat. Hilariously hypocritical stuff.
Welcome back all the same.
You're wrong, I'm afraid---JerryLogan was/is a troll; I'm not (even if someone decides to call me that). A troll simply riles people for the pleasure of it. Some hypersensitive people get pissed at what I say, but my goal is not to anger them--that is simply fallout.
Quote: mkl654321You're wrong, I'm afraid---JerryLogan was/is a troll; I'm not (even if someone decides to call me that). A troll simply riles people for the pleasure of it. Some hypersensitive people get pissed at what I say, but my goal is not to anger them--that is simply fallout.
Why not just present your answers in a different manner? If I am doing something that other people don't like, and I realize that I am wrong (we all miss that one sometimes, of course), I change my behavior. I'm not saying to abandon your opinions but all of us have two choices when we choose the tone of our comments. Basically, nice or nasty. If everyone chose "nice" there would still be a ton of information on this board and it would be a lot easier to read.
Quote: mdhI enjoy reading about the gaming info on this site. I enjoy Pacos threads especially. I would hate to see this pickering take over half the threads.
I wish it would go DOWN to half the threads. Is someone paying MKL by the post? This is why USENET became a wasteland.
Why I thought of him, I don't know. Can you really learn algebra, geometry, trig, and calculus in a week? Self-taught, at that? I'll leave that to someone smarter than me to answer.
Quote: rxwineLook what I found. Mkl as a young boy. Before he went downhill and a became a degenerate gambler and all. (degenerate like all of us, I might add)
Why I thought of him, I don't know. Can you really learn algebra, geometry, trig, and calculus in a week? Self-taught, at that? I'll leave that to someone smarter than me to answer.
Without even bothering to look at whatever dogshit nonsense the link leads to, I'd hazard a guess that this post amounts to a personal attack, and the Wizard will be notified.
Quote: AZDuffmanI wish it would go DOWN to half the threads. Is someone paying MKL by the post? This is why USENET became a wasteland.
And YOUR posts are soooooo useful, interesting, and well-reasoned (choke).
Quote: rxwineLook what I found. Mkl as a young boy. .
"Jacob Barnett has an IQ of 170 - higher than Albert Einstein - and is now so far advanced in his Indiana university studies that professors are lining him up for a PHD research role."
170? The kids a piker, we have somebody here with a far higher IQ than that. PHd? Phooey, thats nothing.
Quote: mkl654321
Without even bothering to look at whatever dogshit nonsense the link leads to, I'd hazard a guess that this post amounts to a personal attack, and the Wizard will be notified.
Dang, if I get banned for that, I sorta wish I had made more of an effort.