AI identifies wrong man in casino
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November 16th, 2025 at 5:32:37 PM
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AI matched the man as.100% accurate match (it was in fact 100% wrong).
Man arrested. Shows ID. Cop insists ID must be fraudulent because the AI was a 100% match.
Held in jail for eleven hours before some genius realizes they have the fingerprints of the real perpetrator and discover they don't match.
AI matched the man as.100% accurate match (it was in fact 100% wrong).
Man arrested. Shows ID. Cop insists ID must be fraudulent because the AI was a 100% match.
Held in jail for eleven hours before some genius realizes they have the fingerprints of the real perpetrator and discover they don't match.
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November 17th, 2025 at 1:28:04 PM
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Quote: darkozhttps://www.casino.org/news/peppermill-renos-facial-recognition-tech-leads-to-wrongful-arrest/
AI matched the man as.100% accurate match (it was in fact 100% wrong).
Man arrested. Shows ID. Cop insists ID must be fraudulent because the AI was a 100% match.
Held in jail for eleven hours before some genius realizes they have the fingerprints of the real perpetrator and discover they don't match.
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People don't realize that A.I. is only as good as the programmer that wrote it.
You can't know everything, but you can know anything.
November 17th, 2025 at 2:03:27 PM
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I thought AI was capable of learning from itself and correcting mistakes? Otherwise, it's just a computer program.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
November 17th, 2025 at 3:23:45 PM
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Quote: billryanI thought AI was capable of learning from itself and correcting mistakes? Otherwise, it's just a computer program.
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I have been using various AI programs for the last 14 months and it absolutely is just a computer program. One of the most modern advanced types but ultimately just a computer program.
It absolutely does not learn from itself and has zero intelligence. It will make the same mistakes over and over again without any understanding of how it's messing up.
In addition, it works through a series of weights to formulate proper and supposedly new information which is why it should not be used an information source. This is why some lawyers have gotten in trouble using AI to look up sources to cite and ending up with false cases etc.
What AI does do is learn from data it is fed. For example images of people were notorious for having the wrong fingers. Six fingers, four fingers warped fingers etc. They realized the AI was seeing hands in photos and people almost never take pics of hands with all five fingers properly exposed (hands in a handshake, or holding someone's shoulder, holding a thumb up with other fingers clasped, etc).
The solution--feed dedicated images of hands properly splayed out training the AI that hands look like XYZ. The AI has now learned the general shape and if you ask it now to make a picture of a hand with a thumbs up, it has "learned" the correct way to display that.
The training is just for the AI to identify natural language words with proper images. But even this is tricky because of the flexibility of language. AI would deliver what appeared to be "hallucinations", weird seemingly odd responses but the programmers would just discover the weighted words. For example, asking for an image of a man making a fist and throwing a punch might result in a picture of a man turning into red liquid. Explanation? The AI was trained that punch is red juice and you just asked it for a man throwing a punch.
All of these things are being worked out but not because the AI is training itself. The programmers analyze the thousands (maybe millions) of results from any given AI and realize what isn't working and they then upload training data to make it work.
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November 17th, 2025 at 4:24:06 PM
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Google's AI taught itself to play a game and master it.
Every AI I am aware of claims to be self-learning.
Every AI I am aware of claims to be self-learning.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
November 17th, 2025 at 4:35:05 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: darkozhttps://www.casino.org/news/peppermill-renos-facial-recognition-tech-leads-to-wrongful-arrest/
AI matched the man as.100% accurate match (it was in fact 100% wrong).
Man arrested. Shows ID. Cop insists ID must be fraudulent because the AI was a 100% match.
Held in jail for eleven hours before some genius realizes they have the fingerprints of the real perpetrator and discover they don't match.
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People don't realize that A.I. is only as good as the programmer that wrote it.
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I’ve been both impressed by AI and disappointed. When you tell one of these bots they are “wrong”, they seem to be programmed to admit their mistakes and they “try again”.
Many times, they will get things right. Other times, they just get worse.
The recent Anthropics admission that their AI engine (Claude) was weaponized is very concerning.
I can’t help but wonder how much longer it will be before AI bots are efficiently cracking passwords. I feel
relatively secure in how my personal security is established, but I doubt that I am “average”.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I would have moisturized more.
November 17th, 2025 at 6:17:59 PM
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Quote: billryanGoogle's AI taught itself to play a game and master it.
Every AI I am aware of claims to be self-learning.
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It depends on your definition of self-learning.
I looked up the Google AI learning to play a game and I can definitely see how that is possible (if I found the same instance you reference it was the game Go) because there are strict and finite rules and the AI programming was to play against itself until it could analyze best possible play. According to the article I found the AI played several million hands of Go and with it's perfect memory and analysis "taught itself" or "self-learned" the game.
The AI would have to have that particular programming and be fed the rules of Go and instructed to learn it.
There is no actual intelligence on AI. Even if AI says there is that's an answer programmed by its creators.
So did the Google AI self learn. It basically ran on its own once the parameters were set and the AI "learned" without further assistance from humans. So again it depends on your definition of self learning.
I mostly deal with image and video generators and because there are so many variables (as opposed to the strict rules of a game) the AI is even more dependent on human data uploading.
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November 17th, 2025 at 8:35:47 PM
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...I can’t help but wonder how much longer it will be before AI bots are efficiently cracking passwords. I feel
relatively secure in how my personal security is established, but I doubt that I am “average”.
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All depends on the password. But no matter what, AI itself is not the right tool for that. Way too much overhead for all the other things it can do. For that kind of work you would want a dedicated tool. Somebody making ASICs for that purpose would be more troubling, but that just means we need longer passwords.
I read a study, didn't check the math, but for 256-bit passwords if you had a perfectly efficient computer and were able to harness all of the energy of the sun, the sun would burn out before you would reliably crack the password.
November 17th, 2025 at 11:26:58 PM
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Quote: darkozhttps://www.casino.org/news/peppermill-renos-facial-recognition-tech-leads-to-wrongful-arrest/
AI matched the man as.100% accurate match (it was in fact 100% wrong).
Man arrested. Shows ID. Cop insists ID must be fraudulent because the AI was a 100% match.
Held in jail for eleven hours before some genius realizes they have the fingerprints of the real perpetrator and discover they don't match.
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Cops violate our rights enough as it is, but now they have AI to give them even more reasons to violate our rights...
November 17th, 2025 at 11:57:07 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: darkozhttps://www.casino.org/news/peppermill-renos-facial-recognition-tech-leads-to-wrongful-arrest/
AI matched the man as.100% accurate match (it was in fact 100% wrong).
Man arrested. Shows ID. Cop insists ID must be fraudulent because the AI was a 100% match.
Held in jail for eleven hours before some genius realizes they have the fingerprints of the real perpetrator and discover they don't match.
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Cops violate our rights enough as it is, but now they have AI to give them even more reasons to violate our rights...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XCuHD-52xQ
November 18th, 2025 at 6:13:16 AM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: darkozhttps://www.casino.org/news/peppermill-renos-facial-recognition-tech-leads-to-wrongful-arrest/
AI matched the man as.100% accurate match (it was in fact 100% wrong).
Man arrested. Shows ID. Cop insists ID must be fraudulent because the AI was a 100% match.
Held in jail for eleven hours before some genius realizes they have the fingerprints of the real perpetrator and discover they don't match.
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Cops violate our rights enough as it is, but now they have AI to give them even more reasons to violate our rights...
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Out of curiosity, when was the last time a cop violated your rights? How about a family member's rights? I'm involved with the court system on a volunteer basis, and almost every person insists their rights were violated. Most of the time, it's for some imaginary rights they picked up from YouTube.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
November 18th, 2025 at 10:21:42 AM
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Quote: billryanQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: darkozhttps://www.casino.org/news/peppermill-renos-facial-recognition-tech-leads-to-wrongful-arrest/
AI matched the man as.100% accurate match (it was in fact 100% wrong).
Man arrested. Shows ID. Cop insists ID must be fraudulent because the AI was a 100% match.
Held in jail for eleven hours before some genius realizes they have the fingerprints of the real perpetrator and discover they don't match.
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Cops violate our rights enough as it is, but now they have AI to give them even more reasons to violate our rights...
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Out of curiosity, when was the last time a cop violated your rights? How about a family member's rights? I'm involved with the court system on a volunteer basis, and almost every person insists their rights were violated. Most of the time, it's for some imaginary rights they picked up from YouTube.
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You are asking in general or the poster who mentioned police violation of our rights?
Either way I can answer.
In my entire 57 years on this earth my white self has been stopped and frisked zero times.
In my son's half black, 36 years on this earth he has been stopped and frisked approximately twenty times. Two of them were directly in front of me
First time I was returning from a three month business trip (film in California). My son wanted to greet me at my home and arrived a little early so he waited as he didn't have the keys. (He lived with his mom).
I arrived early evening to find him up against the wall arms spread cops frisking him. When I pointed out that was my son the cops said he was looking suspicious loitering in front of a building. So yeah, waiting for your dad to return home from work to let you into his apartment was now suspicious. (This was Bloombergs stop and frisk policy deemed unconstitutional primarily because they only did it to black people.)
Second time was in broad daylight!!! In front of a burger king. I had to make a phone call so told my son to just wait while I made a call on the street before entering. As I am finishing I turn to find two cops ordering my son to put his hands against the wall. I yell out "hey he's with me". And the cops literally said "oh alright" and stopped. Like wtf, I am some white handler? My son was clearly doing nothing wrong or they wouldn't have stopped. He was just black in front of burger king. Suspicious enough in white America.
My mixed daughter has also been stopped numerous times in her car. One time her car was searched even though she refused the cops request so she recorded the incident on her phone. The officer slammed the door on her leg to get the phone out her hand and delete the footage but her phone had switched to pin mode. And she wouldn't give him the pin. But he was recorded trying to delete the footage.
She got $50,000 for that incident.
And these were all in NY! So imagine in states with more of a recognized racial police charged history.
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November 18th, 2025 at 10:46:57 AM
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Quote: billryanQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: darkozhttps://www.casino.org/news/peppermill-renos-facial-recognition-tech-leads-to-wrongful-arrest/
AI matched the man as.100% accurate match (it was in fact 100% wrong).
Man arrested. Shows ID. Cop insists ID must be fraudulent because the AI was a 100% match.
Held in jail for eleven hours before some genius realizes they have the fingerprints of the real perpetrator and discover they don't match.
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Cops violate our rights enough as it is, but now they have AI to give them even more reasons to violate our rights...
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Out of curiosity, when was the last time a cop violated your rights? How about a family member's rights? I'm involved with the court system on a volunteer basis, and almost every person insists their rights were violated. Most of the time, it's for some imaginary rights they picked up from YouTube.
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In Jan 1989, when I was 18, I was arrested for B&E with intent to commit larceny. Long story short, I didn't have any evidence to give to the arresting officers when questioned as I did not commit or have anything to do with the offence alleged. The DA voluntarily dismissed the charges as having no probable cause AND the cops lost a valuable piece of property of mine they took as evidence and could not find when asked for its return. I got a check for my trouble.
Due to my general law abiding nature, I have never had any serious run ins with the cops since then, as evidenced by my professional licenses and my firearms permits in my state of residence and other states, which would not be possible if I had a record. However, during rare custodial interactions or investigatory questioning with the cops, I assert my rights to be free of unreasonable search and seizure, my right to remain silent and my right to counsel. This gives the cops a stark choice: continue with his interaction with me if he thinks his actions are legally supported, or he can let me go. Many rights are not self-executing, and affirmatively and unequivocally asserting them can make all the difference.Check the trial court dockets and the courts of appeals or state supreme court dockets. They are replete with cases where cops are given an inch and have taken a mile, violating a persons rights.
Got a problem with a person asserting his rights, and defending those rights in court proceedings?
With respect to AI, I am willing to bet that AI face recognition software has warnings, stating that a positive match is not-in and of itself-probable cause for a warrant and that the cops need to independently verify positive matches for correctness. Yet how often do cops use the facial match AND just facial match on an arrest warrant? Following proper procedures and warnings would lessen opportunities for rights violations AND increase good detentions and arrests.
I stand by my original statement.
November 18th, 2025 at 11:22:03 AM
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Cops violate our rights enough as it is, but now they have AI to give them even more reasons to violate our rights...
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No they don't, you watch too many YouTube videos. You constantly see people screaming about their rights being violated by the police but when asked what those rights are they have no idea. And when they do think they know it's just pure stupidity. They think they have a right to never have their cell phone taken away from them. Think they have a right for the cops never to touch them physically unless they give permission. They think they have a right to stay in their car when a cop orders them to get out. They think they have a right for an attorney to be at the scene of the crime. They think they have a right to make an immediate phone call while they're being arrested. They think if they make it home after committing a crime the cops can't come on their property and arrest them. Women think it's their right to demand a female officer only pat them down. They think it's their right to have a supervisor present whenever they request one. They think the cops can only search the car if they give permission. The list of their imaginary rights is almost endless.
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November 18th, 2025 at 11:32:32 AM
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Cops violate our rights enough as it is, but now they have AI to give them even more reasons to violate our rights...
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No they don't, you watch too many YouTube videos. You constantly see people screaming about their rights being violated by the police but when asked what those rights are they have no idea. And when they do think they know it's just pure stupidity. They think they have a right to never have their cell phone taken away from them. Think they have a right for the cops never to touch them physically unless they give permission. They think they have a right to stay in their car when a cop orders them to get out. They think they have a right for an attorney to be at the scene of the crime. They think they have a right to make an immediate phone call while they're being arrested. They think if they make it home after committing a crime the cops can't come on their property and arrest them. Women think it's their right to demand a female officer only pat them down. They think it's their right to have a supervisor present whenever they request one. They think the cops can only search the car if they give permission. The list of their imaginary rights is almost endless.
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The list of actual rights is almost as endless.
November 18th, 2025 at 11:35:51 AM
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It's sad that so many Americans believe you don't have the right to refuse having your car searched without a warrant or some actual cause. And no, suspicion is not cause nor is being black.
When the cops search your car it's not a cursory glance around with flashlights. My daughter had her car interior wrecked. Having the cops search your car is more than just the initial half hour they detain you. The cops in the interest of diligence literally destroy everything in the interior. They rip out and scatter every item in the interest of discovering what you have hidden (even when you have nothing hidden).
They don't put anything back. As part of my daughter lawsuit was the demonstrable damage they did to her car interiors.
When the cops search your car it's not a cursory glance around with flashlights. My daughter had her car interior wrecked. Having the cops search your car is more than just the initial half hour they detain you. The cops in the interest of diligence literally destroy everything in the interior. They rip out and scatter every item in the interest of discovering what you have hidden (even when you have nothing hidden).
They don't put anything back. As part of my daughter lawsuit was the demonstrable damage they did to her car interiors.
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November 18th, 2025 at 12:14:57 PM
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Quote: darkozIt's sad that so many Americans believe you don't have the right to refuse having your car searched without a warrant or some actual cause. And no, suspicion is not cause nor is being black...
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You have the right to refuse. You do not have the right to resist. The shoulder of a highway is not a courtroom and whether or not a search was lawful is going to be determined in a courtroom.
So if a cop stops me and wants to search my car, I'm going to tell him "I don't consent to any searches" and if he does it anyway, we're going to let the judge decide if he should have. If I start screeching and grab his arm or something, now he has probable cause for sure and I'm in trouble, and I brought it on myself.
"I don't consent to any searches."
"I'm going to exercise my rights and not answer any questions."
"I request an attorney present before you ask me any questions."
And do not fight, flee, or resist. Follow physical instructions pertaining to detention such as showing your hands, getting out of a vehicle, turning around etc. Behave like that, and they are not going to get anything more on you than what they already have, and there's a good chance it won't be enough.
Now regarding "black," I've seen enough of these cop videos with the squawking and fighting and resisting where the worst things they are going to be charged with are the things they did after the cops showed up. Just harebrained behavior. Lots of black people have criminal records and how many of them are due to trying to bluster their way out of a motor vehicle or other minor violation and escalating to felony charges with the choices they make? How many end up incarcerated due to not showing up for court or probation? Sure there are white people who do that too and the vast majority of black people don't do things like that. But I call it like I see it and I see a pattern. There's a cultural thing where some need to demonstrate to everyone how noncompliant they are.
November 18th, 2025 at 12:47:48 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: EvenBobQuote: GenoDRPh
Cops violate our rights enough as it is, but now they have AI to give them even more reasons to violate our rights...
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No they don't, you watch too many YouTube videos. You constantly see people screaming about their rights being violated by the police but when asked what those rights are they have no idea. And when they do think they know it's just pure stupidity. They think they have a right to never have their cell phone taken away from them. Think they have a right for the cops never to touch them physically unless they give permission. They think they have a right to stay in their car when a cop orders them to get out. They think they have a right for an attorney to be at the scene of the crime. They think they have a right to make an immediate phone call while they're being arrested. They think if they make it home after committing a crime the cops can't come on their property and arrest them. Women think it's their right to demand a female officer only pat them down. They think it's their right to have a supervisor present whenever they request one. They think the cops can only search the car if they give permission. The list of their imaginary rights is almost endless.
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The list of actual rights is almost as endless.
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The point is when people start screaming that they know they're rights to the cops 99% of the time they do not have any idea what their rights are. Fortunately the cops know and are usually very careful to stay within those rights especially now that everybody's wearing a body camera. Countless times I've seen people scream that they know they're rights and the cop asks them what the rights are and they do not have any idea. Or they think their rights are in that list that I posted above which are not rights at all. The cell phone one really baffles me, people think it's their right to always have their cell phone on their person even in the back of the police car. Taking their phone away from them is it like taking the blanket away from Linus in the Peanuts cartoon. They have a nervous breakdown.
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November 18th, 2025 at 12:51:22 PM
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Quote: darkozIt's sad that so many Americans believe you don't have the right to refuse having your car searched without a warrant or some actual cause. And no, suspicion is not cause nor is being black.
When the cops search your car it's not a cursory glance around with flashlights. My daughter had her car interior wrecked. Having the cops search your car is more than just the initial half hour they detain you. The cops in the interest of diligence literally destroy everything in the interior. They rip out and scatter every item in the interest of discovering what you have hidden (even when you have nothing hidden).
They don't put anything back. As part of my daughter lawsuit was the demonstrable damage they did to her car interiors.
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I'm sure they had probable cause or they wouldn't have done it. Cops are just like everybody else when they're working they want to do as little as possible. Searching a car for no reason is a ton of work and they wouldn't do it if they didn't absolutely have to. I'm sure in your daughter's case they had an extremely good reason to tear her car up. Believe me, they would much rather be drinking coffee and eating donuts then searching some stupid car.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 18th, 2025 at 1:29:22 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozIt's sad that so many Americans believe you don't have the right to refuse having your car searched without a warrant or some actual cause. And no, suspicion is not cause nor is being black.
When the cops search your car it's not a cursory glance around with flashlights. My daughter had her car interior wrecked. Having the cops search your car is more than just the initial half hour they detain you. The cops in the interest of diligence literally destroy everything in the interior. They rip out and scatter every item in the interest of discovering what you have hidden (even when you have nothing hidden).
They don't put anything back. As part of my daughter lawsuit was the demonstrable damage they did to her car interiors.
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I'm sure they had probable cause or they wouldn't have done it. Cops are just like everybody else when they're working they want to do as little as possible. Searching a car for no reason is a ton of work and they wouldn't do it if they didn't absolutely have to. I'm sure in your daughter's case they had an extremely good reason to tear her car up. Believe me, they would much rather be drinking coffee and eating donuts then searching some stupid car.
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Lol,
And I am sure the fifty grand the state paid her was because they had a mountain of evidence that matched your ridiculous assumptions as well as incorrect knowledge of US citizens rights
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November 18th, 2025 at 1:50:26 PM
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Quote: billryanI thought AI was capable of learning from itself and correcting mistakes? Otherwise, it's just a computer program.
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Correct!!
Artificial Intelligence is just a computer program. Computer programs learned how to play chess years ago, you can call it A.I. or iterative learning but it is just a computer program.
A computer program or A.I. can not do anything that a human can't, it can only do those things faster.
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November 18th, 2025 at 2:00:34 PM
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A computer program or A.I. can not do anything that a human can't, it can only do those things faster.
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Pretty sure with video input, I can get a computer to correctly identify a text block of 50000 random symbols without having to look at same image again. I’ll let you study it for as long as you like.
I don’t think you’ll be able to do it faster, nor at all.
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November 18th, 2025 at 2:41:51 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: billryanI thought AI was capable of learning from itself and correcting mistakes? Otherwise, it's just a computer program.
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Correct!!
Artificial Intelligence is just a computer program. Computer programs learned how to play chess years ago, you can call it A.I. or iterative learning but it is just a computer program.
A computer program or A.I. can not do anything that a human can't, it can only do those things faster.
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Which begs the question of "How then is our intelligence different?"
The ultimate achievement of AI might be identifying what makes humanity special.
When chess computers became available that could beat any human player every time, some thought that was the end of chess. Why bother playing, if a machine can always do it better? I don't know, when we invented cars did runners stop running races, because none of them will ever be as fast as a car? A chess game between two humans is now seen as a distinct type of competition, as opposed to a human playing against a machine, which may one day be considered as absurd as if they were to enter a racecar into a footrace.
November 18th, 2025 at 3:17:42 PM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: DRich
A computer program or A.I. can not do anything that a human can't, it can only do those things faster.
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Pretty sure with video input, I can get a computer to correctly identify a text block of 50000 random symbols without having to look at same image again. I’ll let you study it for as long as you like.
I don’t think you’ll be able to do it faster, nor at all.
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Once again, it is just doing something faster. Also, if the computer can not store the image in memory it ptobably would not be able to do it either. I would have a much better chance if you let me take a picture of it which the computer is doing.
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November 18th, 2025 at 4:25:16 PM
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A computer program or A.I. can not do anything that a human can't, it can only do those things faster.
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Pretty sure with video input, I can get a computer to correctly identify a text block of 50000 random symbols without having to look at same image again. I’ll let you study it for as long as you like.
I don’t think you’ll be able to do it faster, nor at all.
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Once again, it is just doing something faster. Also, if the computer can not store the image in memory it ptobably would not be able to do it either. I would have a much better chance if you let me take a picture of it which the computer is doing.
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You can't hold it in a human memory. Your statement only said human not human plus camera. No human has a photographic memory capable of holding that many random symbols. Easy, even for old computers to do. They've been able to store images for many years.
Note; since I said random symbols, it would be unlikely eve a master of memory hacks would be able to do it.
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November 18th, 2025 at 4:34:33 PM
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Also, impossible to prove brains aren't running the essence of biological software with programs. Believing you have consciousness could just be a programming trick.
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November 18th, 2025 at 4:55:32 PM
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An Ai answer
No, a human chess grandmaster, even with an infinite amount of time, could not calculate the most complex decision tree of a supercomputer.
The fundamental limitations of the human brain's processing power and memory capacity, compared to the sheer scale of the possible variations in chess, make this an impossible task: Immense Complexity: The number of possible unique chess game variations is estimated to be around \(10^{120}\) (known as the Shannon number), which is vastly larger than the estimated number of atoms in the observable universe (\(10^{80}\)).Processing Speed: Supercomputers can evaluate millions of moves per second, while a human can only consider a few, or perhaps a few dozen in very deep analysis. The human brain is not designed for the kind of brute-force, high-speed sequential calculation that computers excel at.Methodology Differences: Humans play chess using intuition, pattern recognition, and strategic understanding to focus on only the most promising lines, rather than attempting to analyze every single possibility. Computers, on the other hand, use algorithms that systematically explore a vast decision tree to a certain depth and evaluate the resulting positions.Scale of the "Decision Tree": A supercomputer does not calculate the entire infinite decision tree of chess (which would take longer than the age of the universe even for a supercomputer); instead, it calculates to a great depth and uses sophisticated evaluation functions and pruning techniques (like alpha-beta pruning) to manage the search space.Human Limitations: While a grandmaster is excellent at deciding which moves are worth pursuing, they are still limited by their biological processing capabilities, memory, and susceptibility to fatigue. The volume of data and speed of computation required to track the deep, complex variations explored by a top engine is simply beyond human physical and cognitive capacity. In essence, the human mind and a supercomputer approach the problem of chess in fundamentally different ways, and the raw computational requirements of the computer's approach far exceed human ability, regardless of time constraints.
No, a human chess grandmaster, even with an infinite amount of time, could not calculate the most complex decision tree of a supercomputer.
The fundamental limitations of the human brain's processing power and memory capacity, compared to the sheer scale of the possible variations in chess, make this an impossible task: Immense Complexity: The number of possible unique chess game variations is estimated to be around \(10^{120}\) (known as the Shannon number), which is vastly larger than the estimated number of atoms in the observable universe (\(10^{80}\)).Processing Speed: Supercomputers can evaluate millions of moves per second, while a human can only consider a few, or perhaps a few dozen in very deep analysis. The human brain is not designed for the kind of brute-force, high-speed sequential calculation that computers excel at.Methodology Differences: Humans play chess using intuition, pattern recognition, and strategic understanding to focus on only the most promising lines, rather than attempting to analyze every single possibility. Computers, on the other hand, use algorithms that systematically explore a vast decision tree to a certain depth and evaluate the resulting positions.Scale of the "Decision Tree": A supercomputer does not calculate the entire infinite decision tree of chess (which would take longer than the age of the universe even for a supercomputer); instead, it calculates to a great depth and uses sophisticated evaluation functions and pruning techniques (like alpha-beta pruning) to manage the search space.Human Limitations: While a grandmaster is excellent at deciding which moves are worth pursuing, they are still limited by their biological processing capabilities, memory, and susceptibility to fatigue. The volume of data and speed of computation required to track the deep, complex variations explored by a top engine is simply beyond human physical and cognitive capacity. In essence, the human mind and a supercomputer approach the problem of chess in fundamentally different ways, and the raw computational requirements of the computer's approach far exceed human ability, regardless of time constraints.
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November 19th, 2025 at 11:21:56 AM
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Quote: darkoz
Lol,
And I am sure the fifty grand the state paid her was because they had a mountain of evidence that matched your ridiculous assumptions as well as incorrect knowledge of US citizens rights
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Good old DO, so many stories so little evidence. I would go into some of your past stories but when I do that you scream so loud that it gets me suspended sometimes so I don't do that anymore.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 19th, 2025 at 11:26:18 AM
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Quote: rxwineAlso, impossible to prove brains aren't running the essence of biological software with programs. Believing you have consciousness could just be a programming trick.
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Just accept the fact that we live in a simulation and it explains a lot. Like Elon Musk says the odds that we live in the base reality are almost zero. In other words there's a reality outside of what we experience that we have no idea about. This is what people who meditate a lot experience, they have different names for it. Just pick one, what they all mean is there's more to what we're experiencing then we can possibly know about.
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