Slot AP is dying in my area
Are you seeing this in your region too or is my area particularly bad?
Quote: SlotenthusiastNot sure if this is applicable to all areas but in my region casinos and manufacturers have removed over half of the AP slot inventory and have begun specifically targeting AP players. I suspect this is because of those who would camp for days and nights in the same spot and multi card.
Are you seeing this in your region too or is my area particularly bad?
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That won't stop multi-carders.
New player freeplay is +ev even on 90% machines.
But yes, there's a casino near me removing the older AP games (ie: Buffalo link) and putting in newer games that are not AP. It's down to a dozen machines at this place.
No more camping. people come in, do their loop then leave.
and it's prophecy fulfilling too. They play less so less future freeplay, which makes them come less, which further reduces their freeplay till they stop coming in.
I still get triple digit freeplay each time i'm there but the irony is that i sometimes don't have anything to play.
And the freeplay isn't good on vp or e-Games.
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Are you seeing this in your region too or is my area particularly bad?
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I travel a bit. A number of properties I visit have been changing what games they have on the floor.
In some cases, it is clearly hardware attrition - 20+ year old cabinets that haven't quite worked right in the 10+ years I've seen them in play being removed, likely due to parts unavailability.
In other cases, leased licensed property games just get withdrawn. I haven't seen a lot of Britney or Sex in the City placements lately.
And yes, AP-able games can get taken off the floor, too.
As they proceed with this remodel, I wish them all the success they deserve.
Quote: blackjackladIn the UK many games are now 'perceived persistence', meaning they look like they're building towards something but they're not. This is on IGT machines, I'm surprised they didn't start using that approach in the US as they already have the software ready. The good times aren't completely over, but the pickings are getting slimmer. Onto the next advantage.
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Interesting, what are some of the IGT games that appear to be persistent but are not?
I did a game years ago that may have been the first in Nevada where the persistent state would reset if the game had no credits and sat idle for 30 seconds. The players didn't lose anything as the "lost persistence EV" was added back in to future bonuses. The beauty of it was unless the scavengers saw the person leave they would not know that the extra EV was just sitting there to be plucked. In retrospect, I probably should have patented it.
It would have to be randomly in the future or be a very small percentage of the payback. If not, something like this would be a gold mine to a few people who would eventually figure it out.Quote: DRichQuote: blackjackladIn the UK many games are now 'perceived persistence', meaning they look like they're building towards something but they're not. This is on IGT machines, I'm surprised they didn't start using that approach in the US as they already have the software ready. The good times aren't completely over, but the pickings are getting slimmer. Onto the next advantage.
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Interesting, what are some of the IGT games that appear to be persistent but are not?
I did a game years ago that may have been the first in Nevada where the persistent state would reset if the game had no credits and sat idle for 30 seconds. The players didn't lose anything as the "lost persistence EV" was added back in to future bonuses. The beauty of it was unless the scavengers saw the person leave they would not know that the extra EV was just sitting there to be plucked. In retrospect, I probably should have patented it.
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And FYI depending on the game and the value there are some vultures( usually Chinese guys) who will absolutely sit all day and watch a game if it's got enough potential future value.
There's only one way to stop Advantage players....
Make sure there's no advantage to be had.
Quote: blackjackladIn the UK many games are now 'perceived persistence', meaning they look like they're building towards something but they're not. This is on IGT machines, I'm surprised they didn't start using that approach in the US as they already have the software ready. The good times aren't completely over, but the pickings are getting slimmer. Onto the next advantage.
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They had that for PA casinos. No campers anywheree.
then they changed it to allow real persistence.
haven't been back since the change
Quote: DRichQuote: blackjackladIn the UK many games are now 'perceived persistence', meaning they look like they're building towards something but they're not. This is on IGT machines, I'm surprised they didn't start using that approach in the US as they already have the software ready. The good times aren't completely over, but the pickings are getting slimmer. Onto the next advantage.
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Interesting, what are some of the IGT games that appear to be persistent but are not?
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Treasure Box
I think it worked like this:
The # needed for bonus changes randomly each spin.
The Treasure key showing up would be just a stupid blocker to line hits (unless the # needed for Bonus was 1).
Machine was set to 94% or 96%. I lost 5 pounds at min bet.
I'm also going to assume Ocean Magic is another since it was fake persistence in PA when they didn't allow persistence machines
At the same time the perceived persistence is becoming very popular on new games.
Also there have been a flood of new slot APs hitting casinos.
So…….still money to be made, but it is definitely turning into a harder market for slot APs than it has been in the past.
My hope is that the regular players will gradually realise the graphics of the coin piling up or whatever have no bearing on the chances of triggering the bonus, and they'll be less interested in those games. If the data shows perceived persistence games aren't very popular then the casinos might change course.
Quote: blackjackladOcean Magic, Dragon Sphere, Mo Mummy, to name a few. Every time I get an email from a casino about a new game they have which I know is persistent state in the US, I get excited. When I go in to check, the persistent feature has been removed for the UK version.
My hope is that the regular players will gradually realise the graphics of the coin piling up or whatever have no bearing on the chances of triggering the bonus, and they'll be less interested in those games. If the data shows perceived persistence games aren't very popular then the casinos might change course.
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Mo Mummy is AP'able in USA??
the coin bowls piling up have always been for entertainment purposes for decades.
If the ploppies havent learned by now...
Quote: blackjackladI'd assumed it was. It's only recently arrived in the UK.
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Yeah not Mo Mummy. The others yes.
Quote: blackjackladI'd assumed it was. It's only recently arrived in the UK.
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To your credit, since you only get the non-accumulator versions in the UK, you have no way of knowing which games are true accumulators (or AP plays) in the US unless someone writes about them or otherwise tells you. However, it was correct IMHO to consider the game as a possible play. I would venture to say that if you found yourself in a jurisdiction with true accumulator slots, that you would do just fine finding plays and eliminating non-plays as long as you read through the rules screens… Best of luck if you venture out (or if UK casinos change their practices)!
