Hedge system on the dont pass side opf the craps table

my question, I am a don't better and i realize that if i can get past the come out roll i now have the advantage over the casino, but there is the problem getting past that first roll. Here is what i want to try lets say i make a $25 dont pass bet, and i lay the 4 for $51 just in case a 7 rolls and ill get a hard 4 for $8 to cover part of the 4 just in case it comes 2-2 then i can hop the 3-1 for 4. once a point is established i can remove everything except that $4 hop bet that i lost so basically it cost me like $4 for insurance to get past that first roll, does this sound like it can work?

NO COMBINATION OF BAD BETS CREATES A GOOD BET, ok?

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my question, I am a don't better and i realize that if i can get past the come out roll i now have the advantage over the casino, but there is the problem getting past that first roll. Here is what i want to try lets say i make a $25 dont pass bet, and i lay the 4 for $51 just in case a 7 rolls and ill get a hard 4 for $8 to cover part of the 4 just in case it comes 2-2 then i can hop the 3-1 for 4. once a point is established i can remove everything except that $4 hop bet that i lost so basically it cost me like $4 for insurance to get past that first roll, does this sound like it can work?

Why don't you just put $5 on the "Big Red" during the Come Out?

Then you have only lost $5 and are past the Come out....And if the 7 rolls, you are out $5.

Then you have only made two bets. Not 4 or 5.

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Why don't you just put $5 on the "Big Red" during the Come Out?

Then you have only lost $5 and are past the Come out....And if the 7 rolls, you are out $5.

Then you have only made two bets. Not 4 or 5.

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Are you serious with that...

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my question, I am a don't better and i realize that if i can get past the come out roll i now have the advantage over the casino, but there is the problem getting past that first roll. Here is what i want to try lets say i make a $25 dont pass bet, and i lay the 4 for $51 just in case a 7 rolls and ill get a hard 4 for $8 to cover part of the 4 just in case it comes 2-2 then i can hop the 3-1 for 4. once a point is established i can remove everything except that $4 hop bet that i lost so basically it cost me like $4 for insurance to get past that first roll, does this sound like it can work?

YO! YOLEVEN, Take the don'ts!

The more "combinations" you make the more of a house advantgage you are giving up. Nothing is going to really help, remember there is just a 1.41% house edge on the don't. You would be smarter to take the money from the other bets and reduce that edge with free-odds.

A lot of the strategies like making sure you always win are strategies created by the casino.

If you find yourself making dollar bets on any seven .. realize that's 16.67 of $1 per roll on that bet in the long run. If you really think there's going to be a seven on the comeout .. BET THE PASS LINE.

In order to know what bets are the best bets to make without looking at the house advantage .. you need to know what is more likely to come up. So unless you want to go down the path of believing in trends or dice influence .. you're stuck on the don't pass with lay odds, which is the best house advantage you can get.

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my question, I am a don't better and i realize that if i can get past the come out roll i now have the advantage over the casino, but there is the problem getting past that first roll. Here is what i want to try lets say i make a $25 dont pass bet, and i lay the 4 for $51 just in case a 7 rolls and ill get a hard 4 for $8 to cover part of the 4 just in case it comes 2-2 then i can hop the 3-1 for 4. once a point is established i can remove everything except that $4 hop bet that i lost so basically it cost me like $4 for insurance to get past that first roll, does this sound like it can work?

No.

Ever hear the expression: Fish or Cut Bait.

So you want to put some chips on the PassLine: Do it ... don't hedge.
So you want to put some chips on the DontPass. Do it... don't hedge.

Craps is all about superstition, but hedging is just the silliest thing you can do. The outcome of hedging bets follows the superposition principle, or, simply put, will be the same (albeit with less variance) as placing them on separate tables. House edge will add up.

If you feel an irresistible need to hedge, no one save for the ATM can stop you, but you'd do better selecting low-edge bets like pass+don't pass and taking odds on one of them. It's still a losing proposition, but less so.

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Does this sound like it can work?

As if the temperature in this forum wasn't high enough, here goes an alternative (without any intention to tummel): Your strategy is similar to the ricochet, a strategy promoted by someone whose name tends to raise even more ire than Rob Singer's.

It entails laying the point after the comeout roll while going up on one or two don't come bets. Some people take a $1 yo, but with Caesars installations lowering the payoff, that seems a lot less favorable. The house edge on the lay bet shrinks if they collect the vig only on wins. Do not forget to take down the lay bet no later than the two don't come bets' going up behind the line.

The major proponent of the strategy/system adamantly opposes laying odds, and I have been excoriated for even mentioning that. The system works well more than not. Moderately choppy to hot tables can hurt. On the worst day, the number of ricochets was unbelievable. Most of the don't come bets didn't even get up behind the line, as I had never seen so many comeout-point rolls.