Worst VP hand pays for dinner
You're sitting at the bar with vp tops.
Someone comes up with the idea about worst of the best vp hand among them pays for dinner. (in terms of payout)
so quads in ddb (250 credits) will beat quads at JoB (125 credits).
.25 denom
All are competent in VP.
Play the best return game or..?
What's the best strategy to at least not be last?
I think the chance of a royal is slimmest with any deuces game, while the chance of a royal is best with Jacks or Bonus.
If playing the progressive why not stick with Jacks or Bonus... yet I see many playing deuces.
I'm also assuming that if someone is playing a multiline game, the score gets divided by the number of lines in play, so hitting 4 deuces on one line of a five line would only count as 40 for 1.
I usually say to play deuces wild, although I have no strong math to support it.
AKQJ2 beats AKQ52 as an example.
Quote: 100xOddsLet say you and 3 buddies have an hr to kill before dinner at a mid-level Italian place. ($25/plate)
You're sitting at the bar with vp tops.
Someone comes up with the idea about worst of the best vp hand among them pays for dinner. (in terms of payout)
so quads in ddb (250 credits) will beat quads at JoB (125 credits).
.25 denom
All are competent in VP.
Play the best return game or..?
What's the best strategy to at least not be last?
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Under these criteria and without any other assumption of minimum credits to qualify, I would play a game that pays 250 for the smallest quads and does not have the lowest full house compared to what my companions have chosen.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI think the chance of a royal is slimmest with any deuces game, while the chance of a royal is best with Jacks or Bonus.
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You've piqued my curiosity.
I was under the impression that for any given hold on a 52 card game, the draw chances were the same.
The chances should change with a 53 card deck (like Joker Poker), or one of the odd online variants where the discards get shuffled into the stub before the draw.
The "Royal cycle" changes based on the optimum hold for the paytable sometimes being to throw part of a royal, perhaps that's what was meant?
Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI think the chance of a royal is slimmest with any deuces game, while the chance of a royal is best with Jacks or Bonus.
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You've piqued my curiosity.
I was under the impression that for any given hold on a 52 card game, the draw chances were the same.
The chances should change with a 53 card deck (like Joker Poker), or one of the odd online variants where the discards get shuffled into the stub before the draw.
The "Royal cycle" changes based on the optimum hold for the paytable sometimes being to throw part of a royal, perhaps that's what was meant?
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Chances of a royal are slimmer in every DW games because you don't drop deuces.
I believe royals in DW come about once in 45,000 hands but only once in 40,600 hands in Jacks.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI think the chance of a royal is slimmest with any deuces game, while the chance of a royal is best with Jacks or Bonus.
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You've piqued my curiosity.
I was under the impression that for any given hold on a 52 card game, the draw chances were the same.
The chances should change with a 53 card deck (like Joker Poker), or one of the odd online variants where the discards get shuffled into the stub before the draw.
The "Royal cycle" changes based on the optimum hold for the paytable sometimes being to throw part of a royal, perhaps that's what was meant?
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Chances of a royal are slimmer in every DW games because you don't drop deuces.
I believe royals in DW come about once in 45,000 hands but only once in 40,600 hands in Jacks.
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If you held DW the same way as in JoB, the royal cycle would be the same... right?
Overall RTP would be lower, because the hold strategy is what it is to maximize RTP for the paytable.
In any case, I still think a more aggressive than paytable optimal RTP strategy is warranted, because the tournament pays a 400+ coin penalty if you don't finish with one of the top 3 hands.
Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI think the chance of a royal is slimmest with any deuces game, while the chance of a royal is best with Jacks or Bonus.
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You've piqued my curiosity.
I was under the impression that for any given hold on a 52 card game, the draw chances were the same.
The chances should change with a 53 card deck (like Joker Poker), or one of the odd online variants where the discards get shuffled into the stub before the draw.
The "Royal cycle" changes based on the optimum hold for the paytable sometimes being to throw part of a royal, perhaps that's what was meant?
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Chances of a royal are slimmer in every DW games because you don't drop deuces.
I believe royals in DW come about once in 45,000 hands but only once in 40,600 hands in Jacks.
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If you held DW the same way as in JoB, the royal cycle would be the same... right?
Overall RTP would be lower, because the hold strategy is what it is to maximize RTP for the paytable.
In any case, I still think a more aggressive than paytable optimal RTP strategy is warranted, because the tournament pays a 400+ coin penalty if you don't finish with one of the top 3 hands.
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If you were in a tournament playing DW would you sacrifice a wild royal for 125 coins for a 1/47 chance at a natural royal? But if you miss your next Best hand is a straight flush for 65(?) And after that the hands drop to a flush or straight.
I can hold the first dealt dirty royal, then try for something worth more if I get another.
On the strictly RTP game, it looks like holding the dirty royal is preferable.
Sounds like DW isnt the game to play for this wager?Quote: DieterIn any case, I still think a more aggressive than paytable optimal RTP strategy is warranted, because the tournament pays a 400+ coin penalty if you don't finish with one of the top 3 hands.
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but then again, getting 5 OaK or straight flush maybe good enough to not be last.
both will usually beat a 45coin win full house on most other games (JoB/ddb).
Quote: 100xOddsSounds like DW isnt the game to play for this wager?Quote: DieterIn any case, I still think a more aggressive than paytable optimal RTP strategy is warranted, because the tournament pays a 400+ coin penalty if you don't finish with one of the top 3 hands.
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but then again, getting 5 OaK or straight flush maybe good enough to not be last.
both will usually beat a 45coin win full house on most other games (JoB/ddb).
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Could be that I graciously buy dinner if I work my little scheme.
Could be that I hit quad deuces.
Linguini alle vongole is so much better when it's a prize.
Quote: Talldude90What about bonus duces wild. Still have the 125 coin wild royal and then you have the bonus pays? (sorry for the necro post but it seems like a cool thread)
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I have played 10's of millions of dollars on Bonus Deuces games. Probably still my favorite video poker game.
I once played a VP tournament that paid out $250 for last place. You had to play off all 1000 credits to qualify for this last-place prize. I played 200 hands and scored a perfect zero.
Quote: Mental
I once played a VP tournament that paid out $250 for last place. You had to play off all 1000 credits to qualify for this last-place prize. I played 200 hands and scored a perfect zero.
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That is impressive, and very improbable.
It has been a long time since I did the calculations and I forgot what the tournament game was. However, I recall that I was expecting to score between 0 and 15. I did change my VP program to print out the ideal lowest EV strategy. Since I was the only one going low, I did not have to be very good on the execution. I recall that the second lowest score was over 200, and I could have easily underperformed this just winging a min-EV strategy. Mostly, I just held pat losers.Quote: DRichQuote: Mental
I once played a VP tournament that paid out $250 for last place. You had to play off all 1000 credits to qualify for this last-place prize. I played 200 hands and scored a perfect zero.
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That is impressive, and very improbable.
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Horseshoe/Binions had timed VP tournaments with last place prizes that were decent amounts. I was going to target last-place prizes, but I got a strong feeling they didn't feel that was in the spirit of the tournament. I felt It wasn't worth catching heat.Quote: MentalFirst, I would play slowly. Like one hand in the whole time. If that is not allowed, I would hold a pat losing hand if I needed to to avoid scoring a win that would cause me to lose..
I once played a VP tournament that paid out $250 for last place. You had to play off all 1000 credits to qualify for this last-place prize. I played 200 hands and scored a perfect zero.
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that game just eats my $ but small sample size.Quote: DRichI have played 10's of millions of dollars on Bonus Deuces games. Probably still my favorite video poker game.
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