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mcallister3200
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April 14th, 2022 at 8:00:27 PM permalink
The Yankees thing (and those championships) I think is probably the biggest factor. Perhaps Mick had as great of a peak as any of them and it becomes a peak vs. longevity argument. With baseball history being so rooted in statistical milestones like 500 home runs, 3k hits etc longevity of a high level of play tends to win out in baseball. Most historical baseball player rankings I've seen have Mantle in the 7-13 range, Mays is often 2 after Ruth and Aaron top 5. All those guys have cards for a minimum of an 18 year run though.

Then again, more often than not in collectibles things don't make a ton of logical sense and Mays/Aaron are also highly valuable and sought after at least their stuff through 1960. They don't seem as undervalued vs. their performance as non Nolan Ryan Hall of Fame pitchers are.



Two of my favorite baseball cards. Not the two most valuable, but my two favorite. Bob Gibson's "pepto bismol pink" rookie and a 1960 Willie Mays in pretty good shape. Both well centered and the color really pops on the Mays. 1960 and 1956 Topps are two of the best vintage sets from a visual perspective. Wish I would have waited to find the Gibson with better color.
AlanMendelson
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April 14th, 2022 at 8:04:18 PM permalink
In 1961 I think America was rooting for Mantle, not Maris.
lilredrooster
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April 15th, 2022 at 3:48:10 AM permalink
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back to the stock market____________pretty interesting___________to me anyway


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ROBO and BOTZ have also gotten beaten for the 3 year period

KOMP beat IVV for the 3 year period by a tiny margin

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billryan
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April 15th, 2022 at 8:31:58 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

In 1961 I think America was rooting for Mantle, not Maris.
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During the off-season after the 1961 season, Mickey and Roger made a movie at the Yankee Spring Training facility. It was about a boy from NYC who moved to Florida and tells his new friends how he was good friends with many of the Yankees. They, of course, ask for proof and what ensues was supposed to be funny. Humour has changed a lot since 1962 and the movie is much more stupid than funny. What the bad script can't hide, though, is Mickey Mantle's charm and charisma. Maris is flat and awkward in most scenes, where Mickey can't act, but has natural star quality.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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April 15th, 2022 at 8:38:15 AM permalink
It's mostly forgotten now, but Baseball Commissioner Bowie Kuhn once banned both Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays from baseball for life. Their sin? Working as Hosts in Atlantic City. Kuhn declared casinos were evil and corrupting and that no major league player or alumni could work in one and still be eligible to work for a baseball team or use its facilities. At the time, Mays had a lifetime job with the Mets while Mantle had a one week a year gig with the Yankees to show up at Spring Training. In spite of direct requests from Mantle himself, no team in baseball offered Mickey Mantle a job in any other capacity.
To reinforce just how stupid this ban was, Kuhn is said to have ordered baseball parks not to use Terry Cashman's ode to the game, Talking Baseball because it referenced Willie and Mickey.
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