Masks are back
Sorry Las Vegas, the party is over.
Gee, if we only had a vaccine we could all take for free, we wouldn't have this problem.
What?
We HAVE it now, and millions refuse to take it?
How [insert pejorative adjective of your choice here]!
Quote: MrVStarting this Friday, Nevada will again require that all casino employees and patrons mask up while indoors.
Sorry Las Vegas, the party is over.
Gee, if we only had a vaccine we could all take for free, we wouldn't have this problem.
What?
We HAVE it now, and millions refuse to take it?
How [insert pejorative adjective of your choice here]!
The real problem was saying vaccinated people could go without masks.
I guarantee you that nearly half those people maskless next to you at the casinos were unvaccinated who spit in the face of the honor system.
NY never lifted the mask mandate. NY'ers are smart enough to know honor systems are worthless.
Quote: darkozThe real problem was saying vaccinated people could go without masks.
No. The real problem is that vaccinated people didnt have to show their vaccination card.
Quote: AlanMendelsonNo. The real problem is that vaccinated people didnt have to show their vaccination card.
Yes, same side of the coin.
People were expected to be on the honor system.
Businesses wanted to say, hey we are back to normal. Can't do that if you are checking vaccinated card proof at the door.
You can’t look at me with a straight face and say “we are following the science”.
At least NJ got it right and banned smoking during the mask mandate.
Gaming control, Sisolak, SNHD…they are all hypocrites.
You can have another mask mandate. You can’t possibly offer an exemption to those blowing respiratory smoke thru the most crowded venues in Nevada…casinos.
Sisolak can stuff this mandate. He knows he’s a hypocrite, which is why he has ignored every request to comment on allowing smoking in casinos during this pandemic.
Quote: darkozQuote: MrVStarting this Friday, Nevada will again require that all casino employees and patrons mask up while indoors.
Sorry Las Vegas, the party is over.
Gee, if we only had a vaccine we could all take for free, we wouldn't have this problem.
What?
We HAVE it now, and millions refuse to take it?
How [insert pejorative adjective of your choice here]!
The real problem was saying vaccinated people could go without masks.
I guarantee you that nearly half those people maskless next to you at the casinos were unvaccinated who spit in the face of the honor system.
NY never lifted the mask mandate. NY'ers are smart enough to know honor systems are worthless.
Problem is more that Delta is more transmissible and vaccine less effective against it, I think less than half as effective at preventing infection itself but effective in making it asymptomatic/not severe. So with the different variant combined with loosening behavior there is much more spread among the vaccinated with this variant as well and whatever models they’re using weren’t based on this variant. That latter part (increased asympomatic spread among vaccinated) isn’t really acknowledged with the focus (rightly) on focusing on the vax benefits.
No one ever thought the honor system would work, just was based on the math of the previous variants and perhaps assumed a slightly better vax rate.
Vaccinated people shouldn’t be punished for it imo, can’t really help people who don’t want it. This is just mixed messaging, feels like going backwards to concentrate on masks rather than vaxxing. Oh well, I guess I’ll be healthier by spending more time outside because of it.
Quote: TDVegasCompletely asinine mandate as it once again gives a big fat mask exemption to smokers, vapers and cigar puffers.
You can’t look at me with a straight face and say “we are following the science”.
At least NJ got it right and banned smoking during the mask mandate.
Gaming control, Sisolak, SNHD…they are all hypocrites.
You can have another mask mandate. You can’t possibly offer an exemption to those blowing respiratory smoke thru the most crowded venues in Nevada…casinos.
Sisolak can stuff this mandate. He knows he’s a hypocrite, which is why he has ignored every request to comment on allowing smoking in casinos during this pandemic.
Many casinos did not allow smoking at tables when masks were required. I expect that rule to return.
Quote: TDVegasGaming control, Sisolak, SNHD…they are all hypocrites.
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Speaking of gaming control being worthless, Cromwell had a sign in their valet advertising 100x odds and single roulette for a minimum of four months after they’d been removed despite being asked about it and acknowledging they needed to be taken down.
Quote: mcallister3200Speaking of gaming control being worthless, Cromwell had a sign in their value advertising 100x odds and single roulette for a minimum of four months after they’d been removed despite being asked about it and acknowledging they needed to be taken down.
They both protect each other. Whatever the casino wants…they call Sisolak, political donation made. He calls gaming control. Rinse repeat.
New guidance is for everyone in schools (K-12) to wear masks. Of course, the people in casinos are going to have to wear masks as well.
Steven Campbell NOT LEAVING LAS VEGAS no need to explain why your taking a night off away from the masses
POMPSIE continue on with your trip reports from COMO Italy…. Maybe see if Mr Clooney is available for a interview lakeside to his estate
OLDMAN COFFEE keep those motor home videos coming… Got to be safe OLDMAN
And that electric skateboard riding dealer of the highly addictive SPARKLi pops and GO GAMBLE gear aka THETROOPER97 I see a rental company in your future next biggest thing on THE STRIP Boosted Boards by the hour … riders fueled by sparkli pops
SLOTSMASSACRE BIG KATS POKER and all the video poker gang those casinos are going to be welcoming you back to film those group pulls again. Going to be like old times valued customers again
Keep those vlogs coming IF it’s safe to do so
No way will I go to Vegas if I have to wear a ridiculous mask.
This might help clear things up for those who are confused:
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2021/07/masks-are-returning-so-is-misleading-information-about-anthony-faucis-mask-advice-during-coronavirus-pandemics-early-days.html
Quote: MrVThere is a lot of bogus info out there about the efficacy of masks and Dr. Fauci's comments about them.
This might help clear things up for those who are confused:
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2021/07/masks-are-returning-so-is-misleading-information-about-anthony-faucis-mask-advice-during-coronavirus-pandemics-early-days.html
Most people are not confused, they are stubborn.
Quote: DRichMost people are not confused, they are stubborn.
I don’t think most people are stubborn. Some are. Most are just stupid.
Quote: EvenBobI told the story on DT that my wife was in a van with six vaccinated people and one unvaccinated person who had covid and every vaccinated person in that van now has covid, including my wife. That's why we're back to wearing masks, this thing was never over, they should never should have opened everything up again. I never believed it for a minute and it's why I never stopped the self quarantine.
Don’t act like you haven’t been self quarantined for a decade.
The biggest problem is that people don't trust the federal gov. Especially blacks And to make it worse, the current president and his vice president said early on that they wouldn't trust the vaccine that was coming out because of Trump. They played politics with the vaccine and now we're paying the price.
Quote: KeyserI'm not surprised that we have to mask back up, since so many people won't get vaccinated.
The biggest problem is that people don't trust the federal gov. Especially blacks And to make it worse, the current president and his vice president said early on that they wouldn't trust the vaccine that was coming out because of Trump. They played politics with the vaccine and now we're paying the price.
Thanks for your overtly and unwelcome political comments
What's your source for that bold statement?Quote: KeyserAnd to make it worse, the current president and his vice president said early on that they wouldn't trust the vaccine that was coming out because of Trump.
Reality suggests the exact opposite.
Not really. As CNN said, "Fauci, along with several other US health leaders, initially advised people not to wear masks...." The fact-checking columns, while usually pretty accurate, have bent over backwards to give Fauci a pass on this, saying that not enough was known about the virus at the time. Give me a break. The top disease expert in the U.S. advises not to wear a mask as a runaway virus is spreading globally? Even if you don't have hard evidence that masks work against a new disease, you freaking TAKE THAT PRECAUTION while waiting for the data. For the record, I was wearing a mask to the grocery store well before the top disease expert in the U.S. also realized that it's a good idea.Quote: MrVThere is a lot of bogus info out there about the efficacy of masks and Dr. Fauci's comments about them.
Noted.Quote: darkozThanks for your overtly and unwelcome political comments
I'll remind all, that we don't do politics here. Take such controversy to DT or elsewhere.
Quote: MichaelBluejayWhat's your source for that bold statement?
Reality suggests the exact opposite.
How many sources would you like? If these aren't enough, then I can provide you with a hundred more. I can also provide you with videos if you'd like. Would that real enough for you? (LOL!)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-covid-19-vaccine-election-donald-trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html
YES, Fauci and the Surgeon General both said masks didn't work early in the pandemic. Of course at the time, they had to say it. They knew that there weren't enough of the effective N95/KN95 masks to go around, and they knew that the surgical masks were worthless However, there was a massive shortage of the kind of masks that did work because the Chinese were already buying everything in sight and then sending them back to China. Fauci was trying to keep more of the effective masks available for the hospitals, so they had to propagate the lie that surgical masks and cloth masks worked. Consequently, even now, we have some idiots running around wearing ineffective surgical masks in order to protect themselves from a gain of function lab escaped virus.
(And yes, these are the masks that the airlines pass out for you to wear.)
Hey, suit yourself.Quote: GundyNo way will I go to Vegas if I have to wear a ridiculous mask.
I don't think wearing a mask indoors is that big of a deal. Especially if it helps keep someone out of the hospital or a funeral home.
Quote: KeyserQuote: MichaelBluejayWhat's your source for that bold statement?
Reality suggests the exact opposite.
How many sources would you like? If these aren't enough, then I can provide you with a hundred more. I can also provide you with videos if you'd like. Would that real enough for you? (LOL!)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-covid-19-vaccine-election-donald-trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html
YES, Fauci and the Surgeon General both said masks didn't work early in the pandemic. Of course at the time, they had to say it. They knew that there weren't enough of the effective N95/KN95 masks to go around, and they knew that the surgical masks were worthless However, there was a massive shortage of the kind of masks that did work because the Chinese were already buying everything in sight and then sending them back to China. Fauci was trying to keep more of the effective masks available for the hospitals, so they had to propagate the lie that surgical masks and cloth masks worked. Consequently, even now, we have some idiots running around wearing ineffective surgical masks in order to protect themselves from a gain of function lab escaped virus.
(And yes, these are the masks that the airlines pass out for you to wear.)
Meh!
I say potatoe, you say politics.
Quote: EvenBobI told the story on DT that my wife was in a van with six vaccinated people and one unvaccinated person who had covid and every vaccinated person in that van now has covid, including my wife. That's why we're back to wearing masks, this thing was never over, they should never should have opened everything up again. I never believed it for a minute and it's why I never stopped the self quarantine.
They should never have shut down in the first place if they weren't willing to go all the way with it. I said that from the beginning. Of course, I opposed all Government ordered shutdowns.
People are going to die. Some of Covid. 100% of people will die from something.
Masks apply to casinos. I don't see how this discussion can both be political and not political. It's clearly an issue where the politics can be related to gambling, in my opinion. For example, abortion access does not have anything to do with casinos, but Covid-19 does.
Quote: Mission146Masks apply to casinos. I don't see how this discussion can both be political and not political. It's clearly an issue where the politics can be related to gambling, in my opinion. For example, abortion access does not have anything to do with casinos, but Covid-19 does.
Abortion access can be related to casinos.
Pretend Sally from Mississippi is 25, single, and loves to visit Las Vegas at least two or three times a year.
She gets pregnant, cannot get an abortion, and over her objection delivers a child; no fan of adoption she "makes the best of it" and keeps the kid.
The unplanned newborn so disrupts her world that she can no longer visit Las Vegas, at least not for a couple of years.
The Las Vegas casinos and businesses which she previously patronized are denied her patronage purely for political reasons, i.e. Mississippi's politically erected abortion roadblocks.
Quote: MichaelBluejayNot really. As CNN said, "Fauci, along with several other US health leaders, initially advised people not to wear masks...." The fact-checking columns, while usually pretty accurate, have bent over backwards to give Fauci a pass on this, saying that not enough was known about the virus at the time. Give me a break. The top disease expert in the U.S. advises not to wear a mask as a runaway virus is spreading globally? Even if you don't have hard evidence that masks work against a new disease, you freaking TAKE THAT PRECAUTION while waiting for the data. For the record, I was wearing a mask to the grocery store well before the top disease expert in the U.S. also realized that it's a good idea.
I believe part of his reasoning is that he didn’t want a “run” on masks…thereby causing a problem for hospitals and places that truly had to have masks. I don’t believe it was all “they don’t make a difference”. The data wasn’t there and he didn’t want countries running out of supply in places where masks were absolutely needed.
You could start by providing ONE. Your quote was:Quote: KeyserHow many sources would you like? If these aren't enough, then I can provide you with a hundred more.
What Biden and Harris said, even according to your own sources, is that they wouldn't trust TRUMP, not that they wouldn't trust the VACCINE. About the vaccine, they expressed SKEPTICISM if it seemed that the Trump administration was interfering with the science, which is reasonable, given the administration's extensive record of suppressing scientists. They said consistently that they trust the science and the scientists. The claim you made, the way you made it, isn't supported by the evidence.Quote: Keyserthe current president and his vice president said early on that they wouldn't trust the vaccine
What the science *actually* says is that surgical masks are the most effective kind of masks at preventing droplet transmission right after N-95.Quote: Keyserand they knew that the surgical masks were worthless...Consequently, even now, we have some idiots running around wearing ineffective surgical masks...
Now that I see that you spread false info and that your sources don't match your claims, I won't bother checking any of your future sources on any topic, or even reading any of your posts.
Keyser and MichaelBlujay awarded a 3 day reminder of the rule 19
"Controversial Speech: In an effort to keep the focus of the forum on gambling, Vegas, and math, comments of a political, racial, religious, sexual, or otherwise controversial nature are not allowed. We recommend taking such discussion elsewhere (Added 8/13/19)."
Anyone else want a rest?
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Keyser and MichaelBlujay awarded a 3 day reminder of the rule 19
"Controversial Speech: In an effort to keep the focus of the forum on gambling, Vegas, and math, comments of a political, racial, religious, sexual, or otherwise controversial nature are not allowed. We recommend taking such discussion elsewhere (Added 8/13/19)."
Anyone else want a rest?
I had yet to see your warning post, but I should get one for my comments in my post if they are getting one.
And we dont want you.Quote: GundyI have two Vegas trips pending.
No way will I go to Vegas if I have to wear a ridiculous mask.
Just kidding (-:
Whether or not you believe the masks and social distancing actually helped/help, it at least gave/gives people the perception that it was/is safe enough to start opening places up and not be in full lockdown, so perhaps people need to appreciate those little masks and social distancing rules they came up with.
Honestly, I don't care, wear masks, don't wear them, get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated, keep it locked down, or have massive orgies in the streets.
I just hope the vaccines and whatever other policies they have in place keep me, my wife, and the people I care about protected and safe.
If my warning was not clear enough, I'll agree to your request with a caveat. 3+3 split 3 ways is 2 days each.Quote: Mission146I had yet to see your warning post, but I should get one for my comments in my post if they are getting one.
Did someone with some balls finally take over OD's account?Quote: OnceDearhttps://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/36237-masks-are-back/#post815867
Keyser and MichaelBlujay awarded a 3 day reminder of the rule 19
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Rule 1.Quote: AxelWolfDid someone with some balls finally take over OD's account?
HTF did we get to this point?
As if I even know where to find the rules.Quote: OnceDearRule 1.
Quote: OnceDearNoted.
I'll remind all, that we don't do politics here. Take such controversy to DT or elsewhere.
Double Standard??
tuttigym
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Keyser and MichaelBlujay awarded a 3 day reminder of the rule 19
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Double Standard???
tuttigym
Please explain why you ask that? Where do you see a double standard?Quote: tuttigymDouble Standard???
tuttigym
-74% of cases in recent Massachusetts outbreak were already-vaccinated people
- Pfizer CEO says that vaccine effectiveness drops to 84% after 6 months
Quote: OnceDearPlease explain why you ask that? Where do you see a double standard?
"Defeating the $25 Table Minimum": Page 15
I will accept the Mr. W's apology and the Administrators owe me 3 days. You must act with consistency.
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Quote: gordonm888I have just seen these two nuggets on the internet. Can anyone verify whether they are true:
-74% of cases in recent Massachusetts outbreak were already-vaccinated people
- Pfizer CEO says that vaccine effectiveness drops to 84% after 6 months
Can't speak for the second one, but the first one seems about right. I think you might be missing the point, though. Of the vaccinated people in the outbreak, I don't think there were any deaths and few hospitalized. 97% percent of hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people can still get this highly contagious variant but almost none of them will have a bad outcome.
Quote: gordonm888I have just seen these two nuggets on the internet. Can anyone verify whether they are true:
-74% of cases in recent Massachusetts outbreak were already-vaccinated people
- Pfizer CEO says that vaccine effectiveness drops to 84% after 6 months
Perhaps you could link the actual "article" so that it might be vetted. Is it possible that some internet "articles" are misinformation? The CDC info has recently stated that over164M people have been vaccinated and only 6,000+ of those have been documented to have been infected.
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