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gamerfreak
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September 7th, 2020 at 7:32:04 AM permalink
Are casinos becoming more paranoid about smart phone use?

Iíve been rebuked at table games a few times, but generally no one gives me an issue if I turn my back to the table to check the time or answer a quick text message.

Last night I was at Borgata with my girlfriend. If youíve never been to Borgata, they have really cool glass sculptures everywhere. My girlfriend was taking a photo of one, we were standing about 10ft from a Tiles game with our backs turned away.

Next thing I know the dealer completely shuts down his game and starts screaming at me to take my girlfriends phone away as if sheís my child or something.

I wasnít in a good mood to begin with, so I told the dealer in so many words to piss off. I feel kinda bad since its really out of character for me to be rude to anyone in public, but he also over reacted a bit.

The only smart phone cheats I remember reading about are slot related. So itís ironic they are hyper paranoid at table games, yet literally give you a phone charging port at the slots.
Commish
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September 7th, 2020 at 7:38:55 AM permalink
In reference to taking pictures in a casino, many people do not want to appear in that photo so no pictures are ever allowed.
gamerfreak
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September 7th, 2020 at 7:44:12 AM permalink
Quote: Commish

In reference to taking pictures in a casino, many people do not want to appear in that photo so no pictures are ever allowed.


Iím sure thereís a very small percentage of patrons who care, but youíd have a hard time convincing me that game protection isnít 1000% the reason casinos care.
mcallister3200
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September 7th, 2020 at 8:15:30 AM permalink
Iíve heard the patrons not wanting to appear in pictures reason given before. They usually donít want them near table games. I donít think casinos are more paranoid about it than before Iíd generally say some are becoming slightly less paranoid about it over time and some are staying the same as they weíre before, now youíll find every once in a while a casino that allows phone use at the table (can remember one in both Missouri and Louisiana.) Iíd be pretty confident your experience is a relatively isolated incident of a dealer whoís really anal and really has their panties in a bunch than thinking itís an indicator of casinos in general becoming more paranoid.
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September 7th, 2020 at 8:29:24 AM permalink
I asked a dealer once, off the record of course, and he said that they were afraid that the phone camera could somehow, however unlikely, catch the dealerís down card. I got the feeling that he didnít buy into it and neither do I.
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Mission146
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September 7th, 2020 at 9:00:56 AM permalink
I play table games very infrequently, and typically have little reason to check my phone if I am playing. As I recall from two casinos, they just wanted you to stand up and take a full step back from the table. I don't even think I was checking messages, or anything, just looking at the time.

***I mean, I would also simultaneously see if I had received a text, but was primarily to check the time.
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MDawg
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September 7th, 2020 at 9:13:49 AM permalink
You'll occasionally get someone on the internet who doesn't know much about table game action who asks us genuine table game players to post detailed pictures of everything from winning hands to markers at the moment they are being pulled out (no pit boss would allow all that), but my experience is that I may sneak a picture of my chips to show the over all win at the end of the session, and also sometimes of the final Baccarat board (but while trying to take even those pictures occasionally a pit boss will step in and declare politely that there is "no photography allowed in a casino").

Additionally, no serious gambler has time to think about or should be wasting time thinking about photography mid-session. Big money is at play and we need to concentrate on the action, not documenting it. In any case, life is the reality we view as it happens - pausing to take pictures doesn't make it any more real and in fact detracts from the experience. What's more important? taking in the Parthenon or taking pictures of it?

Cell phone use - at Baccarat, as long as you slide your chair back some distance from the table, I've never seen pit bosses voice any concerns. At Blackjack, those chairs do not slide so you'd need to get out of your chair and step away from the table to use your phone. The concern, in theory, is that you might be receiving or transmitting a wager in connection with whatever action is going on in the casino, which would violate federal law. This applies to both voice and text.

But beyond that, if there are other players at the table, no one wants to hear your voice on the phone.
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Gandler
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September 7th, 2020 at 11:31:52 AM permalink
I am fairly sure, most casinos have some kind of restrictions of on photography/filming on gaming floors (most don't care off of the floor). Normal you need permission in advanced.

I am sure there are a multitude of reasons for this including security and customer comfort ( some people don't want to be seen at a casino).

I have been told not to text at blackjack tables before, but outside of actively playing a table game, it's not an issue (nobody cares if you text on VP). Even so, it's usually pretty laid back like you say like "please step away from the table if you need to take a call or text", I have never seen somebody actually kicked off a table for texting even after multiple warnings....

As for pictures taken after being told to stop, it can be less forgiving (depending on the casino and who responds).

In AC right now with less capacity (hence more eyes on you) it probably makes sense that you will get "caught" taking pictures that you may have in the past...

I mean you got shouted out in front of your GF, which is no fun, but its not like you got kicked out or anything, so I don't see the huge deal....
ChumpChange
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September 7th, 2020 at 12:16:26 PM permalink
I got backroomed for writing down slot backglass payouts into a tiny notebook. They wanted to see my license, I had an out of state ID. They wanted to know who the mayor of my village was, I didn't know. This was like my 2nd visit to the casino in 1993.
I would like to use my camera phone to document slots & slot payouts because they are so damn interesting.
The casino I went to in the '90's banned cell phones in 1994, probably a day after I got backroomed for carrying an electronic device to measure oxygen concentration. It read 21% and they thought it was a blackjack cheating device, lol.
Nowadays I just leave my phone in the car when I go in the casino, but I'm not sure it can handle temperature extremes. I've had numerous times when the car broke down and I would have been lost for days without a phone on the road.
gamerfreak
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September 7th, 2020 at 1:12:24 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

I mean you got shouted out in front of your GF, which is no fun, but its not like you got kicked out or anything, so I don't see the huge deal....


Itís not a huge deal.

To be clear I didnít make a scene at all. We were standing about 10ft from a Pai Gow table with our backs turned, and he shouts across the floor ďSir no photos you need to stop herĒ 2 times. I ignored him because we were starting to walk away and then he started shouting it a 3rd time. Normally I would just apologize but I thought he was being rude so I interrupted and said ďStop it with that dude we arenít even looking at your gameĒ and we walked away.

I didnít post the thread because Iím bent out of shape about it. I remember 5-6 years ago it wasnít unusual for dealers and pit bosses to freak out whenever they saw a cell phone, but for a while it seemed (to me) to be a relaxed rule at most establishments. So I am wondering what others experiences have been recently.

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