Attention for all those who claim they can beat roulette

Jonathan Jossel
@JonathanJossel
It’s official single zero roulette will be active 24/7 as of Thursday June 11th at midday. $10 minimum only
@PlazaLasVegas

This place should be jam-packed with so-called professional roulette system players from across the country, I would assume? I really have no idea how The Plaza is going to stay in business while losing millions of extra dollars to the extra generous roulette rules. Certainly there won't be any room at the tables for the poppies.

I can't wait to hear all the excuses of why all the people who claim they can beat roulette aren't there playing.

Quote: AxelWolf

Jonathan Jossel
@JonathanJossel
It’s official single zero roulette will be active 24/7 as of Thursday June 11th at midday. $10 minimum only
@PlazaLasVegas

This place should be jam-packed with so-called professional roulette system players from across the country, I would assume? I really have no idea how The Plaza is going to stay in business while losing millions of extra dollars to the extra generous roulette rules. Certainly there won't be any room at the tables for the poppies.

I can't wait to hear all the excuses of why all the people who claim they can beat roulette aren't there playing.

Because they can beat double zero roulette just as easily, silly.

Quote: SOOPOO

Because they can beat double zero roulette just as easily, silly.

Yeah double the profits is for the birds.

Quote: SOOPOO

Because they can beat double zero roulette just as easily, silly.

I was just about to ask if it was double zero

I’m not claiming to be able to beat roulette wheels but I come scarily close when I “mess” around with VB. Every now and again the RRS is not enabled and I can scare the crap out of the persons managing the game. When RRS is on I’m obviously dead in the water. The reason I like American wheels is for the symmetry within the number layout. You can always assume a sequential number is across the wheel and little shortcuts like that.

Seriously if you’ve ever seen what the felt layout bets look like correlating with where those bets lay on the wheel the American and how symmetrical the bets look you may understand what I’m talking about. You can easily assume that a combination of two column or dozens bets would decimate the house. But IMO, Roulette can not be beaten because of RRS

Quote: heatmap

I was just about to ask if it was double zero

I’m not claiming to be able to beat roulette wheels but I come scarily close when I “mess” around with VB. Every now and again the RRS is not enabled and I can scare the crap out of the persons managing the game. When RRS is on I’m obviously dead in the water. The reason I like American wheels is for the symmetry within the number layout. You can always assume a sequential number is across the wheel and little shortcuts like that.

Seriously if you’ve ever seen what the felt layout bets look like correlating with where those bets lay on the wheel the American and how symmetrical the bets look you may understand what I’m talking about. You can easily assume that a combination of two column or dozens bets would decimate the house. But IMO, Roulette can not be beaten because of RRS

RRS can be overcome by the IEF even if the VB is TMO. Once can never underestimate the effect of the XSW though. But in the end the OOR is always going to be the deciding factor, regardless of the SND.

Quote: sabre

RRS can be overcome by the IEF even if the VB is TMO. Once can never underestimate the effect of the XSW though. But in the end the OOR is always going to be the deciding factor, regardless of the SND.

I believe you although I really can’t decipher what you said I apologize. I know VB. Both visual ballistics and Visual Basic

It just makes it twice as hard to win on green.

All kidding aside ...

For the record, Plaza introduced single zero last year, and it was always low limit.

This announcement is simply because, for whatever reason, it wasn’t open when gambling resumed on 6/4.

Personally, I think it was closed specifically so they could create buzz when it got reopened a week later. Marketing. 👍

Quote: AxelWolf

Jonathan Jossel
@JonathanJossel
It’s official single zero roulette will be active 24/7 as of Thursday June 11th at midday. $10 minimum only
@PlazaLasVegas

So what. Single zero is available
in other Vegas casinos also.

Quote: AxelWolf

I can't wait to hear all the excuses of why all the people who claim they can beat roulette aren't there playing.

𝙞𝙩'𝙨 𝙖𝙡𝙢𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙮'𝙧𝙚 𝙜𝙞𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙢𝙤𝙣𝙚𝙮 𝙖𝙬𝙖𝙮...................................😃

Quote: EvenBob

So what. Single zero is available
in other Vegas casinos also.

And yet......

Quote: DJTeddyBear

All kidding aside ...

For the record, Plaza introduced single zero last year, and it was always low limit.

This announcement is simply because, for whatever reason, it wasn’t open when gambling resumed on 6/4.

Personally, I think it was closed specifically so they could create buzz when it got reopened a week later. Marketing. 👍

Was it available 24/7?

Okay, I have to mention this. About five years ago, one of my partners was giving the current chair of a sociology department a walkthrough tour of Bellagio. He stops in the middle of an aisle and gives the following (quite loud) speech. It was something like, "Okay, here we have an example of stupidity. First of all -- roulette, not the best game to play, but forget that. On this side of the aisle we have a single zero roulette wheel. On the other, a double zero wheel. Same number of people at each wheel. So the question is, why do the people here like to be kicked in the balls once and people over here prefer getting kicked in the balls twice?"

My partner was gesturing as he said this, and the professor was kind of horrified while chuckling. It was pretty funny, given how staid and serious Bellagio's patrons usually are.

I tried to find the article on WOV (but with the reformatting its hard). I read it some years ago.

I don't play roulette much (very occasionally will I play with friends and just flat bet red or black).

But, I thought that double zero roulette actually had a lower HE (for outside bets) because on Double Zero you get half of your money back (Surrender rules? I think the term was, that could be wrong) when zero hits, which if I remember correctly makes Double Zero roulette marginally better. This only applies to outside bets.

I know when you are flat betting red, its nice to only lose half of your money when a 0 or 00 hits (nice may be a loose term, but you know what I mean).

So if you are martingaling roulette, its actually better with double zeros (obviously its still bad, I am just saying technically better, because the house edge for outside bets is slightly lower, very slight....)

Unless single zeros also have surrender (again I think that is the term for only losing half of your bet on an outside bet when a zero hits, could be wrong), but if this roulette special has single zero with surrender, I would imagine the HE would be quite good for outside bets. I remember reading or hearing that single zero with surrender is usually only offered at special events or high roller type rooms in certain areas. Very rare supposedly.

Again, my memory and terms may be completely off, but I am pretty positive double zeros has a (slightly) better house edge for outside bets because of the surrender feature.

I'm not a roulette player but I think that is a European rule that might be offered in Atlantic City, but not in Vegas.

Quote: billryan

I'm not a roulette player but I think that is a European rule that might be offered in Atlantic City, but not in Vegas.

Not exactly. Atlantic roulette is like a French Roulette with double zero - a stake is halved when green is spun, but there are 38 slots. It's a bizarre variant. Why not just use a single zero, I have no idea.

Quote: MattUK

Not exactly. Atlantic roulette is like a French Roulette with double zero - a stake is halved when green is spun, but there are 38 slots. It's a bizarre variant. Why not just use a single zero, I have no idea.

This is correct. The half-loss is on even-money bets only.

Quote: AxelWolf

I can't wait to hear all the excuses of why all the people who claim they can beat roulette aren't there playing.

Because the zeros don't matter
if you've beaten the game, duh.
They only matter if you haven't.

Quote: redietz

"Okay, here we have an example of stupidity. First of all -- roulette,

Not stupid at all. The zeros
make very little difference
to the average player.