The "New" Las Vegas

A Month Python skit revised.

Medieval King sets up guard at door:

King: Okay, now don't let anyone in who has an infectious disease worse than the Flu.

Guard:. Got it, don't let anyone in who has the Flu!

King: No, that's wrong. Do not let anyone in who has a disease that people can catch that is worse than the Flu.

Guard:. Oh, oh, oh, I see. Do not let anyone in who has a disease.

King: And it's worse than the Flu.

Guard: Yes, worse than the Flu.

Satisfied, the king begins to walk away but is hailed by the guard.

Guard: Sire what about if a person is having a heart attack?

King:(looking confused). If he has a heart attack you can let him.

Guard: Okay, I was just asking because you said no one allowed with any disease and heart disease was on my mind.

King:. No, no, just no one with an infectious disease and it has to be worse than the Flu. Do you have it now?

Guard: Uh, yes no one unless they have a heart attack that is worse than the Flu.

King: How about we do this, just don't let anyone in who has an illness. Is that clear enough?

Guard:. Got it. No one in who is sick!

King moves to leave.

Guard:. Uhhh, wait a minute sire, wait a minute.

King turns back angry.

King: YES?

Guard: What to do if they were not wearing any seatbelts?

Quote: darkoz

Bill and I are confused why the idea of a contagion is confused with wearing seatbelts

It’s about risk. If you are under 65 you are at greater risk of dying from a car accident than dying from Coronavirus. So again, if we are going to shut down a bulk of the economy for what is a very small risk, why not shut down the highway system that poses an equal or greater risk to life?

Worrying about Covid, and taking every precaution to mitigate that risk, and then turning around and not wearing a seatbelt shows a complete failure of risk assessment. It would be like exercising and eating kale with a pack a day cigarette habit.

Quote: gamerfreak

It’s about risk. If you are under 65 you are at greater risk of dying from a car accident than dying from Coronavirus. So again, if we are going to shut down a bulk of the economy for what is a very small risk, why not shut down the highway system that poses an equal or greater risk to life?

Worrying about Covid, and taking every precaution to mitigate that risk, and then turning around and not wearing a seatbelt shows a complete failure of risk assessment. It would be like exercising and eating kale with a pack a day cigarette habit.

No it's not about risk aversion.

It's about not spreading a contagion which will affect others.

It's so that people under 65 don't kill off people over 65.

Quote: gamerfreak

It’s about risk. If you are under 65 you are at greater risk of dying from a car accident than dying from Coronavirus. So again, if we are going to shut down a bulk of the economy for what is a very small risk, why not shut down the highway system that poses an equal or greater risk to life?

Worrying about Covid, and taking every precaution to mitigate that risk, and then turning around and not wearing a seatbelt shows a complete failure of risk assessment. It would be like exercising and eating kale with a pack a day cigarette habit.

And if you are over 65, or maybe have friends and loved ones who are?
I'd like to think if automobiles suddenly killed 120,000 people in three months, we would do something about it.

Quote: gamerfreak

It’s about risk. If you are under 65 you are at greater risk of dying from a car accident than dying from Coronavirus. So again, if we are going to shut down a bulk of the economy for what is a very small risk, why not shut down the highway system that poses an equal or greater risk to life?

Worrying about Covid, and taking every precaution to mitigate that risk, and then turning around and not wearing a seatbelt shows a complete failure of risk assessment. It would be like exercising and eating kale with a pack a day cigarette habit.

I don't think you can compare a zero benefit virus(unless you think thinning out the population is a good thing) to driving driving. Driving has a tremendous benefit. Other than a long staycation, I haven't seen much benefit come from the virus.

I guess the virus benefited some people and they made more money because of the virus than they did prior.
I know somebody who has benefited from this virus financially of over $20,000 thus far.

Quote: Gabes22

I do not think any casinos in IL are 24 hours. The time they are closed however is minimal and IMO stupid. For instance, Rivers in Des Plaines is open 9am to 7 am. Then again in IL casinos have to track the people that enter each day for tax purposes, which is why if you leave and plan on re-entry that day you need to get stamped

Sometimes there are back room procedures that require this kind of thing.

I could be wrong but I don't think IL casinos are allowed to be open 24 hours by State Law

Quote: Gabes22

I could be wrong but I don't think IL casinos are allowed to be open 24 hours by State Law

Not a resident, but as a frequent visitor to the state of Illinois, I concur. Of the 50 CET properties nationwide, the only two that aren't open 24 hrs are Harrah's Joliet and Harrah's Metropolis -- their only properties in IL.

Quote: billryan

I'd like to think if automobiles suddenly killed 120,000 people in three months, we would do something about it.

Sadly, auto deaths are much higher than that. It is estimated that over one million people die every year in auto accidents.

https://policyadvice.net/car-insurance/insights/how-many-people-die-in-car-accidents/

Quote: DRich

Sadly, auto deaths are much higher than that. It is estimated that over one million people die every year in auto accidents.

https://policyadvice.net/car-insurance/insights/how-many-people-die-in-car-accidents/

Bunch of third world country's deaths pad that total. In the USofA, and gawd knows that's is all that matters, about 10,000 people would have normally died in accidents in those three months. With the nation in so-called lockdown, those numbers tumbled substantially.

Quote: billryan

Bunch of third world country's deaths pad that total. In the USofA, and gawd knows that's is all that matters, about 10,000 people would have normally died in accidents in those three months. With the nation in so-called lockdown, those numbers tumbled substantially.

You are thinking to selfishly. We should always look at global problems first. All lives are equal, U,S, lives are not more valuable.

Quote: DRich

You are thinking to selfishly. We should always look at global problems first. All lives are equal, U,S, lives are not more valuable.

You've said stuff like this before and it is really weird. Different parts of the globe have conditions that effect them differently. To say we should ignore those differences and "always look at global problems first", comes across as completely disingenuous. You're coming to a place with a single city in its name (wizardofvegas) and looking in a threat titles The "New" Las Vegas and telling us we should not consider the uniqueness of Las Vegas, until we've looked at the rest of the world first.

Some possible changes being looked at for "New" Las Vegas : There are rumors about requiring everyone in a casino to wear a mask. I am certain Sisolak and others who can make it happen are looking into it and some want it, just think there would be way too much push back from the casinos for it get anywhere. Also talking about making cashless options for making bets, using either a card or phone.

Quote: TomG

You've said stuff like this before and it is really weird. Different parts of the globe have conditions that effect them differently. To say we should ignore those differences and "always look at global problems first", comes across as completely disingenuous. You're coming to a place with a single city in its name (wizardofvegas) and looking in a threat titles The "New" Las Vegas and telling us wwe should not consider the uniqueness of Las Vegas, until we've looked at the rest of the world first.

Some possible changes being looked at for "New" Las Vegas : There are rumors about requiring everyone in a casino to wear a mask. I am certain Sisolak and others who can make it happen are looking into it and some want it, just think there would be way too much push back from the casinos for it get anywhere. Also talking about making cashless options for making bets, using either a card or phone.

It's even more weird because DRich has said he doesn't rate life too highly and would not take Coronavirus seriously unless the world suffered at least thirty MILLION deaths from Covid-19 alone.

But now suddenly he is concerned with one million car crashes in the world and 34,000 in the USA annually

Quote: DRich

You are thinking to selfishly. We should always look at global problems first. All lives are equal, U,S, lives are not more valuable.

Maybe if they quit driving on the wrong side of the road, they could knock off some fatalities.

To me it's just odd because wearing A seatbelt costs essentially nothing. You reach over, grab it and click it in. In less than a minute, you've drastically improved your chances of surviving an accident which has emotional, physical and financial benefit to you, yay!

It's been argued that covid is different since it affects others. How traumatized will people be to see a bloodied, mangled corpse in the road? What about others in the vehicle? You could hit them with your unsecured body and cripple or kill them.

I won't drive people around who are not wearing seatbelts. Partly for their sake, partly for mine.

On a different note, glad to hear casino conditions are generally better for you kewlj, I don't blame you for not taking more time playing them though.

Quote: Minty

To me it's just odd because wearing A seatbelt costs essentially nothing. You reach over, grab it and click it in. In less than a minute, you've drastically improved your chances of surviving an accident which has emotional, physical and financial benefit to you, yay!

It's been argued that covid is different since it affects others. How traumatized will people be to see a bloodied, mangled corpse in the road? What about others in the vehicle? You could hit them with your unsecured body and cripple or kill them.

I won't drive people around who are not wearing seatbelts. Partly for their sake, partly for mine.

On a different note, glad to hear casino conditions are generally better for you kewlj, I don't blame you for not taking more time playing them though.

I'm a very big guy with a trick left shoulder. It's been dislocated more times than I'd care to think about. I also have an impingement that seems to only act up in the worst situations. Before I rent or buy a car, I always test out how the seatbelts fit. I wish they still made cars with lap belts only.
As I am left handed, my shoulder being out of commission prevents me from doing many things people take for granted.
I try to make up for it by speeding and running red lights. The less time I am on the road the less threat I am to myself or others.

I consider Harry Chapin to be one of my mentors, even though he barely spoke to me. He may have actually died because he was wearing his seatbelt. He had a medical incident on the highway and was rear-ended by a tractor trailer. His VW caught fire and attempts to get him out of the car were unsuccessful because no one knew how to find the seatbelt release. His death and that of two teenage girls being trapped in a car stuck on a train track helped push national standards on seat belt releases, as well as where passengers in the backseat can find the front seat releases in two door cars.

Quote: billryan

I'm a very big guy with a trick left shoulder. It's been dislocated more times than I'd care to think about. I also have an impingement that seems to only act up in the worst situations. Before I rent or buy a car, I always test out how the seatbelts fit. I wish they still made cars with lap belts only.
As I am left handed, my shoulder being out of commission prevents me from doing many things people take for granted.
I try to make up for it by speeding and running red lights. The less time I am on the road the less threat I am to myself or others.

You could just cut the shoulder belt in your own car and leave the lap belt.

Yup! Sorry about the left handed thing too.

Maybe playing with your seat adjustment and just doing the lap part of the belt then? I'm willing to bet far more accidents are fatal because someone wasn't wearing a belt than because they were. It was pressed on us all to wear seatbelts back in drivers ed and there was lots of evidence to why.

Good lord! Seat belt ad. Can't say I've ever seen one like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv1rKHGeMRk

Quote: rxwine

You could just cut the shoulder belt in your own car and leave the lap belt.

You could, but what would that do for the resale market when I sell?
In all seriousness, I asked a mechanic about that and he thought the seat belt buzzing thing would be problematic.
I've been driving since 1976 and the only accident I have been in as a driver was in 1979 when I was stopped at a red light and a buzzed guy trying to make a right turn misjudged the road conditions and smacked into my front end. St. Christopher guides me.

Quote: billryan

You could, but what would that do for the resale market when I sell?
In all seriousness, I asked a mechanic about that and he thought the seat belt buzzing thing would be problematic.
I've been driving since 1976 and the only accident I have been in as a driver was in 1979 when I was stopped at a red light and a buzzed guy trying to make a right turn misjudged the road conditions and smacked into my front end. St. Christopher guides me.

Seat belt extenders! I forgot about them. Under $20.

edit, actually, that might not help if your shoulder is bothered by any pressure.

Quote: billryan

You could, but what would that do for the resale market when I sell?
In all seriousness, I asked a mechanic about that and he thought the seat belt buzzing thing would be problematic.
I've been driving since 1976 and the only accident I have been in as a driver was in 1979 when I was stopped at a red light and a buzzed guy trying to make a right turn misjudged the road conditions and smacked into my front end. St. Christopher guides me.

Taking the bus an option?

:)

Quote: darkoz

Taking the bus an option?

:)

When I lived in NY, I got rid of my cars and traveled by bus or subway, renting on a few occasions, as needed.

I tried using a seat belt extender on my Mazda but couldn't figure out how to get it to work. The belt on the Beemer is set higher and is more comfortable but I find that car is too low and is hard to get out of.
The closest train is about sixty miles away. Bisbee has some sort of shuttle bus I've been meaning to ask about, but not when there is a deadly virus circulating.

I suspect this will be a taste of what to expect from the new Vegas

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/florida-bars-are-shutting-down-again-after-new-positive-coronavirus-cases-1510906%3famp=1

Quote: ams288

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EawlxMHUMAEpTsn?format=jpg&name=medium

My first thought is those barriers have to have some amount of reflection if the lighting and angle is just right

I'm taking the under on enforcement by the casino. Not at first, but give it two weeks.

I know... I know... It's the rules, the gaming commission or whomever will crack down, yada, yada, yada.

The dealers and floors are going to become Mask Police? On a Saturday night at 1:00 AM in July? Not likely. Telling a drunk, "Hey mister, that mask is not properly covering BOTH nostrils! Fix it!"

Spare us all the "it's the right thing to do" platitudes. I agree with you, or with anyone who is of the opinion that the mask is the only way to go.

Before this edict, it was just as appropriate, life-saving and proper attire, but the Wizard reported just today that his anecdotal count is somewhere about 20% of customers wear masks. People vote with their feet, or in this case with their faces. A rule from the Gaming Commission won't effect what people do or think.

I'm just placing a bet, just like I would bet on anything else, without regard to whether or not it's right, makes sense, or if I agree with the action involved. I'd bet on the 2020 presidential election without regard to who I think is the better candidate. It would just be - who do I think will win.

I'm not investing in any mask manufacturing futures.

Hey Mike! Take another stroll through downtown on the Fourth of July and give us another report.

Quote: darkoz

It's even more weird because DRich has said he doesn't rate life too highly and would not take Coronavirus seriously unless the world suffered at least thirty MILLION deaths from Covid-19 alone.

But now suddenly he is concerned with one million car crashes in the world and 34,000 in the USA annually

You are not worng, I place very little value on human life. My point is that if human life is the concern, aim for the bigger issues. If 30 million people die it is still a tiny percent of the world population and life on earth will contine just fine. I actually think it would be interesting to live in the era where human life is extinguished from the planet, We could be part of the last generations and how many people can say that?

Quote: racquet

I'm taking the under on enforcement by the casino. ... the Wizard reported just today that his anecdotal count is somewhere about 20% of customers wear masks.

I agree. I agree that masks are important, especially if you are indoors or where you cannot maintain Safe Distance. I also agree that far too many have decided -- for whatever reasons -- to refrain from wearing masks. Perhaps they do not take the "unseen" danger of C-virus seriously.

However, a serious C-virus event can result in a doubling of the number of new cases every two or three days. When this occurs, the C-virus danger -- to one and all -- becomes more apparent. If a local C-virus event gets bad, the casinos may decide that tough enforcement is the only path to remaining open. Casinos compromising on C-virus health issues may find themselves with expensive lawsuits for their lax enforcement. That's the over, to your under.

So, how is it playing out? As the economy reopens, we see increases in new C-virus cases. We are starting to see what happens when states reopen the state economy before the state health infrastructure is ready to handle the C-virus surge. As a retired health professional, my contacts tell me that Florida was surprised at its recent big jump in C-virus cases. I suggested (in seriousness) the current -- seemingly large -- total might appear very small compared to new-case totals in three weeks.

I dunno how it will play out. I do know that everyone will have their own front-row seat for the Great American Pandemic. Please, everyone, stay safe.

Arizona is now the hottest spot in the world for CV19, according to a Harvard specialist, although I must say I don't understand what he is basing this on. In any event, our Gov. was supposed to make an announcement yesterday that masks were mandatory whenever you were outside, but his re-election campaign balked at it. Instead, he punted the ball and rescinded the part of his order where local authorities couldn't set their own rules. Now it is up to the local mayor or county executive to decide to make masks mandatory.
Before his press conference was over, the Mayor of Bisbee posted his new orders on facebook. Masks are now mandatory and business owners are responsible for seeing that no one maskless is served. Individuals who don't wear masks can be fined, but the businesses that permit maskless transactions face the loss of their town business permits.
The town is hoping for a huge weekend, as Pride Fest or whatever it is called was originally scheduled. It's officially canceled, and all public events are postponed, but there is hope that thousands or tens of thousands will still come for the weekend. Let's see how Social Distancing works.

Quote: kewlj

Some of the casino that had initially bumped up table minimums a bit are already back to their normal lower limits. Just not many players, especially at the local type casinos.

I wondered if the $25-$50 minimum for every BJ table was to recoup lost revenue or to weed out the low roll bettors and have them play for less time?

I realize it's a case of supply and demand, where they can stipulate just about ANY minimum they want for table games and people will play due to not having the ability to play for 3 months straight. But I did notice several $100 BJ tables in the high limit pit being empty on a Saturday night at Mohegan Sun, yet people were circling the $25 like sharks. Guess we'll have to wait and see in the coming weeks if this trend of gouging table minimums continue.

Quote: DRich

My point is that if human life is the concern, aim for the bigger issues.

This is where it gets really weird. In order to maximize the value of human life, it requires a combination of aims at an endless amount of issues, some large, some small. You seem to keep saying that if something doesn't effect the largest numbers, it has no relevance and should be pushed aside and ignored. Doing that devalues human life. You are perfectly free to do that, but it contradicts what you're saying.

Quote: billryan

Gila River has announced it is shutting down its three Phoenix-area casinos after a security guard died from CV19.
His family members claim he had been told to work or be terminated. Shut down is expected to last at least two weeks.

Wow, Phoenix re shuts casinos down because of 1 guard dropped dead! Hmm...Las Vegas will likely re-shut casinos down too when some dealers/guards dropped dead of covid19.

Quote: Armagedden

Wow, Phoenix re shuts casinos down because of 1 guard dropped dead! Hmm...Las Vegas will likely re-shut casinos down too when some dealers/guards dropped dead of covid19.

This is A tribe shutting down its Phoenix area casino not ALL Pheonix area tribes. There are I think five different tribes with casinos in the Phoenix area. It’s probably good that AZ wasn’t where they are now in winter, however, with all the additional snowbirding olds around. Might be a light winter for that next year.

I guess it depends whether you press the "Confirmed Cases button," or the "Hospitalizations" button..

Take your pick

Quote: Calder

I guess it depends whether you press the "Confirmed Cases button," or the "Hospitalizations" button..

Take your pick

I pay attention to deaths and hospitalizations. In Arizona, the good news is the ratio between the two is growing. People are recovering at a much better rate, but the bad news is more people are being hospitalized.
Arizona seems to be adding the two types of tests together, mixing people with antibodies results with people newly infected, so new cases and the test numbers aren't particularly relevant.

Quote: billryan

Quote: Calder

I guess it depends whether you press the "Confirmed Cases button," or the "Hospitalizations" button..

Take your pick

I pay attention to deaths and hospitalizations. In Arizona, the good news is the ratio between the two is growing. People are recovering at a much better rate, but the bad news is more people are being hospitalized.
Arizona seems to be adding the two types of tests together, mixing people with antibodies results with people newly infected, so new cases and the test numbers aren't particularly relevant.

Agree. Hospitalizations show the actual effect on the community. Since we don't test everyone, the 'confirmed cases' count is more determined by how many people are tested than how many people actually have the virus. Unless we come up with an effective pre-hospital treatment, the community severity is best evaluated by hospitalizations.

China is beginning to shutdown again as a new outbreak strikes

Arizona restaurants seeing spike including Zipps restaurant which made a big deal that they refused to allow any employees or patrons to wear masks as a statement of their freedom.

Oh, gee, now their employees are coming back infected.

Geniuses

BTW, Arizona governor just ordered mandatory face masks in public.

Quote: darkoz

China is beginning to shutdown again as a new outbreak strikes

Arizona restaurants seeing spike including Zipps restaurant which made a big deal that they refused to allow any employees or patrons to wear masks as a statement of their freedom.

Oh, gee, now their employees are coming back infected.

Geniuses

BTW, Arizona governor just ordered mandatory face masks in public.

And moments later, several Sheriffs said they weren't going to enforce it.

Quote: darkoz

China is beginning to shutdown again as a new outbreak strikes

Arizona restaurants seeing spike including Zipps restaurant which made a big deal that they refused to allow any employees or patrons to wear masks as a statement of their freedom.

Oh, gee, now their employees are coming back infected.

Geniuses

BTW, Arizona governor just ordered mandatory face masks in public.

And moments later, several Sheriffs said they weren't going to enforce it.

BTW- the Sheriff of Pinal County, next door to me, is having a rough time. Not only did he lose his gig on Cops Live or whatever it was called, but it turns out the man who publicly said it was a hoax tested positive and is in quarantine.

I really don't get why the wearing of masks has become so political. Stupid comments like "this is America, you can't force me to wear a mask." Do you put on pants everyday? I don't see people fighting that. ??

I am not crazy about wearing masks. Just feels uncomfortable. When I wear sunglasses, they get fogged up. But if wearing masks can help stop or slow the spread of this virus, so that we can have some semblance of normalcy to life, then I am all for it. AND I am someone who has had the virus, recovered, has antibodies, so I shouldn't (<-???) be able to get the virus again and/or pass it to anyone and I am still willing to wear a mask.

The best and smartest people in science and medicine tell us that wearing a mask makes a difference, especially indoors and crowded spaces. What the hell good is it having the best and smartest people in science and medicine if you refuse to listen to them because you think wearing a mask looks dumb. I think losing people to this virus that we didn't need to makes us all look dumb.

So back to the original topic of this thread. Last night coming home from the lake I stopped at a casino just south of the strip, to play some free play and cash in some chips. On the way home I decided to take the strip which I usually avoid. Just very few people out walking on the strip. I realize some the casinos aren't yet open, but that sure didn't resemble the strip that I know. I am guessing people are still reluctant to fly and that is what the strip needs to get back to normal (as opposed to Downtown and some of the local casinos). That may not happen for a while.

https://youtu.be/L8Ryh85Wd8Q
19min 17sec
International best-selling author, Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA, investigates the real science behind wearing face masks, discusses the dangers and explains why he won't be wearing a mask.

The experts lie. The fact checkers lie too. Dr. Coleman doesn't take any money, so I trust him, but these days, who can anyone trust?

Watch this fact-check on fact checking, just out tonight, and this is from another guy that I think I can trust because I've been watching hm religiously since 2009...
https://youtu.be/rtirKL_XmGg
54min 18sec

I refuse to wear a mask, I have not warn one yet.

Quote: discflicker

https://youtu.be/L8Ryh85Wd8Q
19min 17sec
International best-selling author, Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA, investigates the real science behind wearing face masks, discusses the dangers and explains why he won't be wearing a mask.

The experts lie. The fact checkers lie too. Dr. Coleman doesn't take any money, so I trust him, but these days, who can anyone trust?

Watch this fact-check on fact checking, just out tonight, and this is from another guy that I think I can trust because I've been watching hm religiously since 2009...
https://youtu.be/rtirKL_XmGg
54min 18sec

I refuse to wear a mask, I have not warn one yet.

So you recommend taking the expertise of a "former general practitioner," educated solely at Queen Mary's Grammar School, who hasn't actually practiced medicine in 40 years, over Fauci and Osterholm and other credentialed lifelong epidemiologists?

Nothing like quality advice....

I recommend whoever is monitoring these posts seriously reign in the out in left field coronavirus advice. You're dealing with lives here, not the latest roulette scam.

The recommended doctor dude's Wikipedia page has been flagged for ostensibly being written by someone close to the subject. Lovely.

Quote: redietz

So you recommend taking the expertise of a "former general practitioner," educated solely at Queen Mary's Grammar School, who hasn't actually practiced medicine in 40 years, over Fauci and Osterholm and other credentialed lifelong epidemiologists?

Nothing like quality advice....

I recommend whoever is monitoring these posts seriously reign in the out in left field coronavirus advice. You're dealing with lives here, not the latest roulette scam.

The recommended doctor dude's Wikipedia page has been flagged for ostensibly being written by someone close to the subject. Lovely.

How can anyone believe anything Fauci says after he has changed his position on this very topic 3 times, and lied again and again about everything that happened?

Did you actually listen to the 19 minute lecture? He simple goes over several accredited papers and studies on the topic, and then he tries to form an educated opinion based upon facts, not lies, not politics. I am certain that he can read a paper just as well as Fauci, who btw, is a paid shill and a know liar. I also mentioned in my post that people in positions of power always lie, and to worry about how the fact checkers themselves lie. And yet, you went ahead and used a so-called fact checker to dispute the credibility of someone you didn't even bother to listen to. And you obviously did that without watching the second video I pointed you to. Then you throw up your arms and cry about "out of left field" advice?

The only real danger here is sheeple with blinders on who believe everything they hear from the mainstream media, which you obviously worship, kneel down to and follow without question. YOU ARE THE REAL DANGER HERE.

In fact, improper wearing of masks IS DANGEROUS in and of itself, and > 95% of the public, at large improperly use masks! I know this because I am a certified and registered respiratory therapist, CURRENTLY ACCREDITED AND ON CALL FOR VOLUNTEER DUTY at Detroit Medical Center. I have studied these topics, and have had to wear protective gear myself, and have actually been trained how to do it for COVID-19. If you bothered to listen to Vernon, you would know that, for one thing, masks are DISPOSABLE, and/or ONLY MEANT TO BE WORN ONE TIME ONLY! Non-disposable surgical masks are meant to be washed and sanitized between every use. Without even getting into the dozen or so other facts quoted by Coleman, that one fact alone should tell you that the public at large is improperly using masks... OK, Mr. deep-research, see what see what your boy Fauchi actually says about the improper use of masks, and then ask yourself if they're really safe for the public. Or, ask any doctor or medical people that you know this same exact question about the IMPROPER use of masks. Have you done that? I'm gonna guess that you are not qualified to determine this on your own, and that you're just echoing narratives you heard on CNN, MSNBC and NPR. Am I right? Be honest.

How can you possibly believe what Fauchi, Burns, the CDC or the WHO call "SCIENCE" once they declared that the virus is life threatening, unless you want to go and protest for BLM? How in the world can you call that SCIENCE and sit here and quote that as reliable sources?

Marty Wollner BS, CRTT, RRT

Quote: discflicker

How can anyone believe anything Fauci says after he has changed his position on this very topic 3 times, and lied again and again about everything that happened?

Did you actually listen to the 19 minute lecture? He simple goes over several accredited papers and studies on the topic, and then he tries to form an educated opinion based upon facts, not lies, not politics. I am certain that he can read a paper just as well as Fauci, who btw, is a paid shill and a know liar. I also mentioned in my post that people in positions of power always lie, and to worry about how the fact checkers themselves lie. And yet, you went ahead and used a so-called fact checker to dispute the credibility of someone you didn't even bother to listen to. And you obviously did that without watching the second video I pointed you to. Then you throw up your arms and cry about "out of left field" advice?

The only real danger here is sheeple with blinders on who believe everything they hear from the mainstream media, which you obviously worship, kneel down to and follow without question. YOU ARE THE REAL DANGER HERE.

In fact, improper wearing of masks IS DANGEROUS in and of itself, and > 95% of the public, at large improperly use masks! I know this because I am a certified and registered respiratory therapist, CURRENTLY ACCREDITED AND ON CALL FOR VOLUNTEER DUTY at Detroit Medical Center. I have studied these topics, and have had to wear protective gear myself, and have actually been trained how to do it for COVID-19. If you bothered to listen to Vernon, you would know that, for one thing, masks are DISPOSABLE, and/or ONLY MEANT TO BE WORN ONE TIME ONLY! Non-disposable surgical masks are meant to be washed and sanitized between every use. Without even getting into the dozen or so other facts quoted by Coleman, that one fact alone should tell you that the public at large is improperly using masks... OK, Mr. deep-research, see what see what your boy Fauchi actually says about the improper use of masks, and then ask yourself if they're really safe for the public. Or, ask any doctor or medical people that you know this same exact question about the IMPROPER use of masks. Have you done that? I'm gonna guess that you are not qualified to determine this on your own, and that you're just echoing narratives you heard on CNN, MSNBC and NPR. Am I right? Be honest.

How can you possibly believe what Fauchi, Burns, the CDC or the WHO call "SCIENCE" once they declared that the virus is life threatening, unless you want to go and protest for BLM? How in the world can you call that SCIENCE and sit here and quote that as reliable sources?

Marty Wollner BS, CRTT, RRT

The politics of your post is seeping through the mask

Quote: darkoz

The politics of your post is seeping through the mask

Sorry, I don't agree, I'm approaching it strictly from a medical perspective, and pointing out that, what the public has been told about face masks is not scientific; THAT is pure politics and lies. Did you listen to Dr. Coleman's video? Do you understand what I'm talking about when I say "improper use"? Did anyone look at what Fauci himself says about the improper use of masks being far more dangerous than using no masks at all? Do you doubt that 95% of the public are using masks improperly? Why is this so hard to comprehend?

The long-term use of masks and/or the improper use of masks is far more dangerous than no masks at all. PERIOD.

I feel it is essential to warn people about it from a public-health point-of-veiw. Please don't shoot the messenger of the truth... at least you can listen and try forming an opinion yourselves.

Quote: darkoz

The politics of your post is seeping through the mask

I have no clue if he is right or wrong, however, he's adding information to the discussion from unique perspective of someone who's actually in the trenches(assuming you believe he does what he says he does). If nothing else, he's bringing up some valid points and information to think about and research yourself. I don't think he deserves that comment. I'd like to hear more of what he has to say.

We can ask him how craps DI is going later 😉

There is SOME truth in what discflicker reports. I have worn these N-95 masks for years, HATING them when I had to. But I preferred the unpleasantness to TB. I am sure a large part of the populace wearing them are not doing so properly. As far as the cloth masks, or regular surgical masks, I would say the risks to wearing them have to be extremely low. I have worn one for multiple hours a day for the last 35 years. There is no way you can convince me that this respiratory disease is not somewhat decreased in its spread by requiring masks in public, there is no way you can convince me that it is close to 100% effective, either.

Second hand smoke IS 100% a danger to the public. No ifs, ands, or buts...... If we really care about protecting the public, how is smoking allowed in public?