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darkoz
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June 18th, 2020 at 11:13:11 AM permalink
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OK... I DO agree that we do agree on most of the stuff..... Ending the shutdowns is a POLITICAL decision, NOT a medical one. You keep saying things like "dexamethasone will not end the shutdowns". I AGREE. The only thing that ends the shutdowns is a POLITICIAN deciding the shutdowns are ended. There may be one that ends them when deaths are 1 in 10,000 in their community. A different politician might not until its 1 in 100,000.
I got news for you... probably 1/2 of the country feels safe already, and would resume normal life if allowed to. I'm not saying they are smart, or correct, or whatever, but that seems to be public sentiment at present.
Since this is a math based forum, I'm positing that with the ventilator/non-ventilator/proning knowledge, the additions of Remdesivir and dexamethasone, and general just better understanding of the disease someone infected today may be HALF as likely to die than someone who was infected May 1. Nothing to be ignored, but getting better.
I had a routine doctor visit today. Giant office with 6 secretaries just for check in. They wheeled a guy in next to me who looked 90+, and I would guess WHATEVER his next infection he was dead. In a weird sad way it made me somewhat less worried about catching COVID-19, if people like him are 1/3 of the COVID-19 deaths.
You may not be aware of this, but we were probably going to have a beer together tonight, if it wasn't for COVID-19. My Board of Directors meeting for NYSSA (Anesthesiologists) is tomorrow, and usually held midtown. Sadly, its a Zoom meeting now..... so I'll be on my couch in Buffalo instead...



I partially agree it's political.

For example in Florida bars have been allowed to reopen by the governor (politics driven)

Otoh, three bars just announced they were closing again after they reopened, had large gatherings as allowed and found out 15 patrons and seven employees came down with Coronavirus.

That's not a political decision but a health driven one.

Since 99% (my rough estimate) of shutdowns to date were forced by government it's easy to believe it is just a political decision.

However here in NY, before the official shutdowns many places shutdown on their own.

The Yonkers racetrack for example shut down on their own when one of it's employees contracted the virus and died.

The port authority NEVER shut down yet before the official shutdown in NY it was empty.

And Disney shut down way before Florida ever did.

So as the virus impacts the community, this will become less political and more health consciousness decision making

EDIT:. perfect example of what I mean:. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/3214335001
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June 18th, 2020 at 2:23:41 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I partially agree it's political.

For example in Florida bars have been allowed to reopen by the governor (politics driven)

Otoh, three bars just announced they were closing again after they reopened, had large gatherings as allowed and found out 15 patrons and seven employees came down with Coronavirus.

If you are referring to the three bars in the Jax area, their closures are/were temporary for deep cleaning and to test the staff. One has already re-opened, and another is scheduled to re-open today.

BTW, they were supposed to (per FL executive order) be at 50% capacity, and maintain social distancing. Not sure if the former guideline was followed, but the latter, by all accounts, wasn't.
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June 18th, 2020 at 10:59:45 PM permalink
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The Yonkers racetrack for example shut down on their own when one of it's employees contracted the virus and died.



The casino owners couldn't lock the door and send the harness horsemen out the door fast enough. No horse racing means more profits simple as that
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June 19th, 2020 at 12:05:07 AM permalink
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The casino owners couldn't lock the door and send the harness horsemen out the door fast enough. No horse racing means more profits simple as that



It's a racino, not a casino. Without racing, Yonkers can't have gaming. That's why they have night racing in the middle of the winter. They race 50 weeks a year.
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June 19th, 2020 at 12:05:58 AM permalink
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The casino owners couldn't lock the door and send the harness horsemen out the door fast enough. No horse racing means more profits simple as that



It's a racino, not a casino. Without racing, Yonkers can't have gaming. That's why they have night racing in the middle of the winter. They race 50 weeks a year.
darkoz
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June 19th, 2020 at 1:31:18 AM permalink
Quote: coilman

The casino owners couldn't lock the door and send the harness horsemen out the door fast enough. No horse racing means more profits simple as that



Patently ridiculous statement when they closed the casino as well. Took a few extra days but decision was made prior to official shutdown
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June 21st, 2020 at 5:22:07 PM permalink
Leronlimab in the news

https://www.thisisthebronx.info/weekday-magazine-a-treement-grows-in-the-bronx/
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June 21st, 2020 at 11:27:59 PM permalink
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Patently ridiculous statement when they closed the casino as well. Took a few extra days but decision was made prior to official shutdown



To re-open the track they wanted all people that wanted to race there have proof of a positive test for covid antibody .... so those that never had the virus could not race there ...sounds like a place trying to open back up and give away the slot percentage to horsemen .... the horse people went nuts when they tried to pull that off

The Standardbred Owners Association of New York is pleased to announce that the MGM Yonkers, Inc. Racing Operations Rider to the MGM Resorts International Seven-Point Safety Plan” (the “Rider”) has been amended to eliminate the requirement that participants shipping in to Yonkers present a valid positive COVID-19 antibody test in order to gain access to the Yonkers paddock.

https://standardbredcanada.ca/notices/6-20-20/yonkers-raceway-open-all.html
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June 22nd, 2020 at 3:58:27 AM permalink
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To re-open the track they wanted all people that wanted to race there have proof of a positive test for covid antibody .... so those that never had the virus could not race there ...sounds like a place trying to open back up and give away the slot percentage to horsemen .... the horse people went nuts when they tried to pull that off

The Standardbred Owners Association of New York is pleased to announce that the MGM Yonkers, Inc. Racing Operations Rider to the MGM Resorts International Seven-Point Safety Plan” (the “Rider”) has been amended to eliminate the requirement that participants shipping in to Yonkers present a valid positive COVID-19 antibody test in order to gain access to the Yonkers paddock.

https://standardbredcanada.ca/notices/6-20-20/yonkers-raceway-open-all.html



This has nothing to do with the casino portion since that remains closed.

Also this is a thread about Leronlimab. Let's keep it focused on that.

Just a few more weeks away from clinical trial results. Let's keep fingers crossed we may end the Covid threat very soon
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June 22nd, 2020 at 4:35:44 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Leronlimab in the news

https://www.thisisthebronx.info/weekday-magazine-a-treement-grows-in-the-bronx/

Another sad case of grabbing at straws.

This is a Weekend Magazine story from some obscure website called "This is the Bronx". It deserves as much credence as a posting on this forum. At least it comes with a warning "Disclaimer: Each WEEKDAY MAGAZINE article is submitted by our readers. GAX Productions, LLC does not verify nor confirm facts and the articles represent the views of the Writer and not GAX Productions, LLC."

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