You have to make a reservation to play. The time slots are 3 hours in length, with an hour in between wherein the place will be emptied out and cleaned before the next batch of players. Per the casino app, "If you 'no show' on your reserved date you may incur penalties."
Bring your own mask (mandatory), no smoking.
It doesn't state specifically, but word is there will be no table games, and therefore no Calder.
Potawatomi, Milwaukee
Quote: Calder"If you 'no show' on your reserved date you may incur penalties."
sounds like a possible way to milk some more money out of customers.
Quote: Ace2Microwaved. Chicken patty. Ketchup
Hard to imagine something worse
You have a terribly limited imagination, then!
https://www.freep.com/story/money/business/michigan/2020/06/08/detroit-casinos-reopen-smoking-poker-buffet/5320144002/
Quote: coilmanDetroit Casinos no smoking and limit of 15% of capacity masks required
https://www.freep.com/story/money/business/michigan/2020/06/08/detroit-casinos-reopen-smoking-poker-buffet/5320144002/
Makes me wonder what the average normal capacity is.
That article says 15% would be 1,400-1,500 at a time. That seems like a lot.
Any casino people here who can tell us what "normal capacity" is on a Saturday night? How is that determined? I have never been unable to sit down at a slot machine, regardless of time of day, day of week, or time of year.
Quote: racquetHow often is a casino at 100% capacity? My guess is that when the place is as busy as it gets, capacity is nowhere's near 100%.
Any casino people here who can tell us what "normal capacity" is on a Saturday night? How is that determined? I have never been unable to sit down at a slot machine, regardless of time of day, day of week, or time of year.
The maximum capacity is decided by the city, usually the fire department. It doesn't change by the day of the week. Trying to count the people in a Vegas casino must be a nightmare. How do you determine who is passing thru and who is gambling? I can't imagine a hotel guest being denied access to the casino.
Quote: racquetHow often is a casino at 100% capacity? My guess is that when the place is as busy as it gets, capacity is nowhere's near 100%.
Any casino people here who can tell us what "normal capacity" is on a Saturday night? How is that determined? I have never been unable to sit down at a slot machine, regardless of time of day, day of week, or time of year.
The bigger the casino floor (square footage wise), the harder it would be to gauge that.
I would say New Year's Eve gets the most people on a single night and it can get to the point where you are running into someone every 5 seconds whilst walking the floor. At Sands PA about 6 years ago on NYE, it got so full they stopped letting people in the food court and forced individuals to wait in lines for entry. I'd say there was around 10,000 people there that night.
At least there's no smoking issue, they solved that years ago.
Quote: rxwinesounds like a possible way to milk some more money out of customers.
I play at this casino and I asked my host yesterday, the penalty will be a temp-ban for up to 2 weeks. When you make a 3-hour reservation it shows you how many of the 500 allocated guest slots are used up. They don't want those wasted.
Quote: billryanThe maximum capacity is decided by the city, usually the fire department. It doesn't change by the day of the week. Trying to count the people in a Vegas casino must be a nightmare. How do you determine who is passing thru and who is gambling? I can't imagine a hotel guest being denied access to the casino.
My local Home Depot reopened with only one entrance instead of the five that were available. Guy standing at the entrance with a clicker app on his phone that seemed connected to an in-store app of some kind. People at the other four exit-onlys with a similar setup to click the exits. You were allowed in only when the entrance guy motioned to you.
The rule is some percentage maximum - 25 or 50 percent.
This morning: same rules, same regulations, exact same executive orders, same penalties.
All five doors open for both entrance and exit, nobody monitoring anything.
By my eye crowds are about the same as on day one of reopening.
Rules? What rules?
Quote: racquetMy local Home Depot reopened with only one entrance instead of the five that were available. Guy standing at the entrance with a clicker app on his phone that seemed connected to an in-store app of some kind. People at the other four exit-onlys with a similar setup to click the exits. You were allowed in only when the entrance guy motioned to you.
The rule is some percentage maximum - 25 or 50 percent.
This morning: same rules, same regulations, exact same executive orders, same penalties.
All five doors open for both entrance and exit, nobody monitoring anything.
By my eye crowds are about the same as on day one of reopening.
Rules? What rules?
I would guess the maximum occupancy of a Home Depot is close to 1000 people.
No valet parking.
Parking garage closed.
Hotel closed.
Spa and salon closed.
Almost all restaurants closed.
No table games.
No smoking.
Half the slot machines open.
No alcohol anywhere.
Everyone wears a mask.
I think I'll pass...... (Although no smoking might trump all the other changes!)
No line at the door; they have a guy with an infrared thermometer who zaps your hand and makes sure you have a mask on your mouth.
I didn't spot a single person not wearing a mask, but I got a report from somebody else with me that people were taking their masks on and off to drink or smoke*. They didn't care if you had your nose uncovered, but I did hear some loud talking in the distance about keeping your mouth covered if you weren't actively doing something.
Sanitizer stands at random places, at least one by each bank of ticket machines.
(Normal Machines) No sanitation that I saw. Adjacent machines were off; round stations had all units on.
(HL Machines) Sanitizer at the entrance, and somebody was in there doing a loop, wiping down seats/machines that were out of place. By extension, I guess that means you should stop pushing your chair in when you leave. Every other machine (or more) was turned off, if they were directly adjacent.
All BJ was 3-to-a-table, didn't see any physical barriers.
(Main Pit) They'd drop a placard when somebody vacated a spot and somebody would eventually get around to wiping the spot. They had 5-10-15-20-25 tables available, with DD starting at 25. Didn't personally spend any time here, so I have no idea what else they did.
(HL, Tables) Tables immediately had the arm rests, cup holder and chairs wiped off as soon as people left. When you sat down, they'd plop a thing of sanitizer in front of you, and the dealer would pump for you. DD BJ was still pitch. No special consideration about chips/cards as possible vectors. There was sanitizer at the entrance.
*I'm not actually sure if smoking was permitted. Place still smelled like smoke though.
I can verify that smoking was permitted there in the past. However, they do have a non-smoking section wing that's in the same area as the food court that even includes one of the bars.Quote: VenthusI just got back from Rincon and it was better than I thought it'd be... though it is a Tuesday afternoon.
No line at the door; they have a guy with an infrared thermometer who zaps your hand and makes sure you have a mask on your mouth.
I didn't spot a single person not wearing a mask, but I got a report from somebody else with me that people were taking their masks on and off to drink or smoke*. They didn't care if you had your nose uncovered, but I did hear some loud talking in the distance about keeping your mouth covered if you weren't actively doing something.
Sanitizer stands at random places, at least one by each bank of ticket machines.
(Normal Machines) No sanitation that I saw. Adjacent machines were off; round stations had all units on.
(HL Machines) Sanitizer at the entrance, and somebody was in there doing a loop, wiping down seats/machines that were out of place. By extension, I guess that means you should stop pushing your chair in when you leave. Every other machine (or more) was turned off, if they were directly adjacent.
All BJ was 3-to-a-table, didn't see any physical barriers.
(Main Pit) They'd drop a placard when somebody vacated a spot and somebody would eventually get around to wiping the spot. They had 5-10-15-20-25 tables available, with DD starting at 25. Didn't personally spend any time here, so I have no idea what else they did.
(HL, Tables) Tables immediately had the arm rests, cup holder and chairs wiped off as soon as people left. When you sat down, they'd plop a thing of sanitizer in front of you, and the dealer would pump for you. DD BJ was still pitch. No special consideration about chips/cards as possible vectors. There was sanitizer at the entrance.
*I'm not actually sure if smoking was permitted. Place still smelled like smoke though.
Sounds like a date will be set in the next week.
Earliest they can open is June 29 due to the phased reopening
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/10/ticker-encore-mgm-to-present-reopening-plans-simon-backs-out-of-deal-to-buy-rival/amp/
https://www.syracuse.com/back-in-business/2020/06/ready-to-play-turning-stone-other-oneida-nation-casinos-reopen-today.html
The safety protocols started with a restriction limiting entry to those who live in New York state within 120 miles of the casinos. That essentially allows visitors from Rochester to Albany, or Watertown to Binghamton.
Casino staff checked IDs, and made sure visitors had their pictures taken by surveillance cameras in case there’s a need for “contact tracing.”
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You could get an inadvertent visit from the Health Dept putting you under house arrest for 14 days with no trips to the Post Office or the grocery stores.
I know, a plastic windshield with holes at the top and bottom isn't going to stop a disease from spreading, but you'd think they'd at least try to copy other casinos.
I wonder if it's due to cost(said to be in the six figures by some casinos) or because they're sovereign and just don't want to do it?
has already loosened the requirements
to get in. I give it 10 more days till
it's back to normal. They got rid of
checking every ID, you can now
park outside in the lot, they aren't
really enforcing social distancing
anymore.
It will be temp checks and masks
that go next.
Arizona governor won't require mask use as coronavirus cases spike, says people need to "learn to live" with virus.
Everybody gonna starve to death in a month when all the grocery stores shutdown because of COVID-19.
It is up to the property owner to enforce the guidelines of what they implement in conjunction with what is recommended or suggested by their local and state agencies that govern their business as well as the CDC. But the bottom line is, they are guidelines and it is not a law with a police action that has to be enforced.
Quote: CommishBe careful. I remember when Hurricane Katrina hit Biloxi and you could not cash chips in for 12 months.
Oh yes. It was awful..
The hurricane, or not being able to cash in chips?Quote: BigDadOh yes. It was awful..
Quote: ChumpChangeMy local grocery store is still open because of social distancing, sanitizing, and everybody wearing masks.
Arizona governor won't require mask use as coronavirus cases spike, says people need to "learn to live" with virus.
Everybody gonna starve to death in a month when all the grocery stores shutdown because of COVID-19.
People do need to learn to live with it. Viruses are part of life. We cannot keep at this Defocn-1 level of alert, it is just impossible to keep at that level. On one hand most people want "normal normal" not "new normal." Businesses cannot keep running at <50% of capacity, it is just not profitable. Despite modern America being used to the biggest problems being solved within a hockey season, the cannot always be.
As to everyone starving in a month because of the grocery stores shutting down, it is more likely they shut down because regulations make running them profitably impossible and not the virus.
The USA survived Spanish Flu, Polio, and Smallpox before this. Compared to the second two this virus is nothing.
These days, however, cash is considered a virus exposure risk and so states are contemplating what the lesser of two evils is. There's also speculation that cellphone wagering will replace casino chips.
Nevada gaming regulators will hold a hearing on cashless payments on June 25.
Story at CNBC
Quote: GialmereHere's an article discussing banning cash from all casinos and allowing players to buy in with a mobile device. Currently no state allows this since, presumably, they don't want players in a gambling fever to wager away their kid's college funds without at least thinking about it on the way to the casino ATM.
That would be a disastrous move for the casino considering most of the gambling patrons are elderly and would initially resist using an App to buy-in or wager. The time it would take to deposit, withdrawal and wager would cost the casino as well, as the hands per hour would drop drastically. The casino would certainly risk the chance of monetary germ transfer to speed up the game. Not saying it's right, but they would somehow rationalize it.
Also, apps and mobile devices can easily be hacked these days and many gambling sites have had funds disappear into the abyss with no responsibility on the casino host site. It's one of hundreds of reasons many people don't gamble online through digital table games and slots.
Best bet would be to allow dealers to wear surgeon gloves or have floor person wearing gloves handle the cash/trip buy-ins and color ups. Even though it would waste time, it would be no more time than if the player has to use an app to wager every bet & transaction.
Quote: GialmereHere's an article discussing banning cash from all casinos and allowing players to buy in with a mobile device. Currently no state allows this since, presumably, they don't want players in a gambling fever to wager away their kid's college funds without at least thinking about it on the way to the casino ATM.
These days, however, cash is considered a virus exposure risk and so states are contemplating what the lesser of two evils is. There's also speculation that cellphone wagering will replace casino chips.
Nevada gaming regulators will hold a hearing on cashless payments on June 25.
Story at CNBC
That's so stupid. We still touching money at the supermarket.
And if using cards touching the same keyboard putting in pins
Dumb just dumb imo
Quote: GialmereHere's an article discussing banning cash from all casinos and allowing players to buy in with a mobile device. Currently no state allows this since, presumably, they don't want players in a gambling fever to wager away their kid's college funds without at least thinking about it on the way to the casino ATM.
These days, however, cash is considered a virus exposure risk and so states are contemplating what the lesser of two evils is. There's also speculation that cellphone wagering will replace casino chips.
Nevada gaming regulators will hold a hearing on cashless payments on June 25.
Story at CNBC
That's so stupid. We still touching money at the supermarket.
And if using cards touching the same keyboard putting in pins
Dumb just dumb imo
Quote: BedWetterBetterEven though it would waste time, it would be no more time than if the player has to use an app to wager every bet & transaction.
I don't think they are talking about using an app for every wager, just the initial buy-in replacing cash. In the case of table games, you still are going to need chips which are equally as problematic as "germ carriers".
The thing I really thought we would see more of a move towards is chipless table games. Some sort of TITO system and electronic pad wagering. The technology is already there. Think the stadium blackjack games. I still think this is coming, but the move wasn't made during the 3 month shutdown as I thought it might be. I guess they don't move that quickly.
I have often wondered why slot and VP games didn't have a way to buy credits right from your debit card AT the machine. I guess that would be expensive, sort of like an ATM at every machine.
Quote: kewlj
The thing I really thought we would see more of a move towards is chipless table games. Some sort of TITO system and electronic pad wagering. The technology is already there. Think the stadium blackjack games. I still think this is coming, but the move wasn't made during the 3 month shutdown as I thought it might be. I guess they don't move that quickly.
Players do not like this. They prefer the feel and sound of cheques. I said it earlier, had it at a casino here and they tore it out within 6 months. There is one "group" BJ game where you do it electronic. Younger set seems to be the only ones playing it. I would never sit at it.
Touching cheques or cash is not going to kill you.
Quote: billryanIs it legal to buy gambling chips with a credit card? How about a debit card?
Places were doing it pre COVID. Red rock and a couple other casinos I’ve seen at the table debit card reader, prints out a ticket for you which you exchange for chips. For I believe a 4% convenience fee of course.
Quote: billryanIs it legal to buy gambling chips with a credit card? How about a debit card?
I've got one card that says no gambling, then years later they said no transactions outside of the USA. I guess the Border CTR guys got after them.
Quote: kewlj
I have often wondered why slot and VP games didn't have a way to buy credits right from your debit card AT the machine. I guess that would be expensive, sort of like an ATM at every machine.
The reason is the Gaming regulators want you to get up and walk to an ATM so you have time to change your mind. Many jurisdictions do not even allow an ATM on the casino floor.
Free rooms starting July 7th.
Up till now free offers back in March just expired or even were taken down.
If they are offering free rooms it's almost certain they have been given a go ahead to reopen in some capacity imo
I've seen tables in a few places that have debit/card card machines, though all the ones I can think of off-hand are Indian places. (And cruise ships. A few don't even charge fees. Credit card cashback ahoy!)
Some of the new requirements have been set in stone by the gaming commission. Meanwhile additional ones are expected from the Governor's office
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegram.com/news/20200617/masked-casino-gamblers-will-have-fewer-options-in-mass%3ftemplate=ampart
No Roulette, no Craps.
Blackjack limited to three patrons per table.
Everyone must wear masks.
Smoking is not an issue as that was always not allowed
As I had predicted, Mount Airy in the Poconos is scheduled to open on Monday June 22nd. Mohegan Sun Poconos will also be opening that day as well with Hollywood Casino in Grantsville, PA opening this Friday.
Will probably be another 2 weeks before Philly area Casinos and Wind Creek Bethlehem start opening procedures.
Quote: MintyPerhaps this has been done or is being worked on, but maybe a spreadsheet would be a good way to condense this entire thread? Could have columns regarding location, casino name, capacity limits, games available, reservation or no reservation required, ID required or not.
I will tell you as I work for a major Casino brand and it will fluctuate day-by-day and week-by-week. What happens one day or one week might not be enforced or required the following week. From sanitizing your hands at the table when you come in and leave or how many people are at a table or what tables are open and what tables are closed. As well as the hours the casino is open. Also as far as wearing masks and disposable gloves and everything else that goes along with casino entrance, presence and play with what's been advertised at each property.
Quote: Marcusclark66I will tell you as I work for a major Casino brand and it will fluctuate day-by-day and week-by-week. What happens one day or one week might not be enforced or required the following week. From sanitizing your hands at the table when you come in and leave or how many people are at a table or what tables are open and what tables are closed. As well as the hours the casino is open. Also as far as wearing masks and disposable gloves and everything else that goes along with casino entrance, presence and play with what's been advertised at each property.
Not to mention, most casino security and cleaning teams aren't as diligent as the press releases would have you believe. I've personally been to two different casinos where no ID checks were done on me by security and table games did not have personnel cleaning the chairs or bumpers after someone got up.
In fact, people were openly standing behind other patrons at table games waiting for a spot to open up with no security telling them to back off or move along.
So as Marcus stated, they have been very loose with these new regulations and will probably drop or change these on the fly as well.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/2020/06/16/permanent-layoffs-greektown-casino-begin-september/3201067001/
Quote: BedWetterBetter... people were openly standing behind other patrons at table games waiting for a spot to open up.
In the "old days," (way back in 2019), didn't poker rooms let you sign up for a spot at a table, with the poker room texting you when the seat opens?
Obviously, casinos are going to need some fair way to allocate seats at the gaming tables. If casinos used such a system, the player would have a few minutes to return (after text or other notification), while the cleaning person "sanitized" everything following the departure of the previous player.
Quote: LuckyPhowIf casinos used such a system, the player would have a few minutes to return (after text or other notification), while the cleaning person "sanitized" everything following the departure of the previous player.
Some players would rather piss themselves than give up a "hot seat" when playing at a table. I seriously doubt they would agree to a courtesy call/message system.
I think the 20 minute hold time for a seat is adequate and texting each customer would either be costly or invasive for some patrons. I would have used a numbered ticket system, similar to a deli counter or other line waiting service, where you get a numbered ticket and when a spot opens up, they call your number and wait for 5-10 minutes before calling the next number down.