When will casinos open?
Quote: BedWetterBetterTranslation: "I'm owned again and have to back pedal now"
Better luck next time!
Well I am not the one who thinks tier points are worth wasting time on.
But if you feel you won lol
Quote: darkozWell I am not the one who thinks tier points are worth wasting time on.
But if you feel you won lol
Sometimes I think it's a shame when I feel like I'm winning and I'm losing again.
In these trying times, people should take their victories where they find them, no matter how small and trivial they might be.
Quote: darkozWell I am not the one who thinks tier points are worth wasting time on.
But if you feel you won lol
Nope, you're the one who thought online tier points could buy Candy bars & failed at making a joke about it and have been backpedaling ever since you got proven wrong!
Keep going, you're half way to China!
Quote: darkozYep!
Those are suckerbait perks designed to make players feel important
While you have worthless tier points getting you back a few pennies I get thousands in Freeplay
But you will not be able to use it for years if ever since you do not plan on entering a casino until it is "safe" correct? How are you going to generate much less use the freeplay?
Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods have jointly announced reopening on June 1. They issued the same press release on both sites at the same time, with specifics unique to each casino. It was a joint announcement, with the same general rules (e.g. no poker, no incoming buses, no buffet). Their rules sound a lot like what's being reported here for other places. Hotel accommodations WILL be available.
They stressed that their individual sovereign governing authorities had adopted CDC and other federal guidelines, and did not make a point to talk about Connecticut. Interesting because I read online Governor Lamont of Connecticut was not happy since he was not consulted, or if he was, the casinos actions were not in line with what CT is doing.
That may just be posturing on Lamont's part. CT relies heavily on casino tax revenue, and will welcome whatever they can get. Lamont can take cover if the reopenings generate increased infections or deaths by blaming the "sovereign nations."
What with the horrendous budget problems nearby, Massachusetts and Rhode Island will not be far behind, especially if there is any kind of business driving over the border to CT. But MA and RI don't have any Indians to blame if there's a spike. I've said all along that a big part of the approach to reopening is going to be driven by the need for state revenue. If McConnell can sit on another relief package full of gimmes to state government, RI and MA casinos will open sooner rather than later.
Regardless of timing, I'll be there on day one, just to watch the circus on opening day. But I've been sitting at a blackjack table, on and off, for more than forty years. I'm too set in my ways to start suiting up like Major Mudd just to go to the casino. i'm done.
Quote: AZDuffmanBut you will not be able to use it for years if ever since you do not plan on entering a casino until it is "safe" correct? How are you going to generate much less use the freeplay?
As Racquet says we should get back on thread points.
Let me just say I am certainly not too concerned about my situation with Freeplay
My favorite one so far was an invitation-only, remember to bring your coupon...! parking pass.
Quote: VenthusSo since stuff seems to be trickling open again... has anybody gotten any interesting incentives to get them back in the door yet?
My favorite one so far was an invitation-only, remember to bring your coupon...! parking pass.
I got an offer of a lifetime:
Harrahs Biloxi offered 10 dollars free play!!!!! I live 1200 miles from there. Plus I am in Canada and the border is closed.
Quote: vegasQuote: VenthusSo since stuff seems to be trickling open again... has anybody gotten any interesting incentives to get them back in the door yet?
My favorite one so far was an invitation-only, remember to bring your coupon...! parking pass.
I got an offer of a lifetime:
Harrahs Biloxi offered 10 dollars free play!!!!! I live 1200 miles from there. Plus I am in Canada and the border is closed.
Yeah, but that makes it what, $13 CAD? Get packing!
You are wrong on this battle. Tier credits might not interest you, because of your situation with getting gobs of free play without any need for the tier credits. But there are many here (not me!) who specifically aim to reach a tier to get the benefits they come with. Some will use it for "Diamond Lounges" and not have to pay for drinks/food. Others need it for free parking. And of course free cruises/special meals/better room offers/etc... There have been numerous threads on how to make a certain tier for the lowest -EV possible.
And frankly, whether you decide it is worth it for you or not, I do find it absolutely stunning that you were not aware of the difference between a tier credit and the regular credits which are more like cash.
Quote: SOOPOODarkOz....
You are wrong on this battle. Tier credits might not interest you, because of your situation with getting gobs of free play without any need for the tier credits. But there are many here (not me!) who specifically aim to reach a tier to get the benefits they come with. Some will use it for "Diamond Lounges" and not have to pay for drinks/food. Others need it for free parking. And of course free cruises/special meals/better room offers/etc... There have been numerous threads on how to make a certain tier for the lowest -EV possible.
And frankly, whether you decide it is worth it for you or not, I do find it absolutely stunning that you were not aware of the difference between a tier credit and the regular credits which are more like cash.
I just have a low tolerance for those kinds of perks
There are different systems for every casino. I only aim to know what I need to make my plays.
Most tier points are designed to make ploppie spend money so they believe they are achieving value.
Earn x credits and you get a whole bunch of perks that pretty much cost the casino nothing
Free valet parking
Free front of the line service
Free buffet
Free hotel room
Etc.
Interesting that you had to quantify that you aren't one of the people who shoot for those offers.
What started this was just my pointing out how worthless earning ten free points was a day. Worth maybe a few candy bars month
Had to laugh when I was corrected. Nope NOT EVEN WORTH CANDY BARS.
So basically worthless points
And BTW those free cruises you mentioned. Yeah, some value there but that perk isn't coming with earning free points online. That's coming only with gambling large cash (ADT for the initiated) at the actual casino. Let's see what anyone who manages to earn nothing but free online points really gets of value.
Hint: nothing of value
Quote: darkozI just have a low tolerance for those kinds of perks
There are different systems for every casino. I only aim to know what I need to make my plays.
Most tier points are designed to make ploppie spend money so they believe they are achieving value.
Earn x credits and you get a whole bunch of perks that pretty much cost the casino nothing
Free valet parking
Free front of the line service
Free buffet
Free hotel room
Etc.
Interesting that you had to quantify that you aren't one of the people who shoot for those offers.
What started this was just my pointing out how worthless earning ten free points was a day. Worth maybe a few candy bars month
Had to laugh when I was corrected. Nope NOT EVEN WORTH CANDY BARS.
So basically worthless points
And BTW those free cruises you mentioned. Yeah, some value there but that perk isn't coming with earning free points online. That's coming only with gambling large cash (ADT for the initiated) at the actual casino. Let's see what anyone who manages to earn nothing but free online points really gets of value.
Hint: nothing of value
I don't go to a casino often so Diamond lounge is of little value to me. And frankly, I haven't put the time and effort into learning what plays would make it worthwhile for ME. But your logic is, well, illogical! Because a buffet costs the casino little does NOT mean it is of little value to the person getting it for free! When I'm at the buffet I couldn't give a rat's ass what it costs the casino; that is irrelevant to me. What is relevant is how much I would have had to pay for the buffet if I didn't get it for free. I have to tell you, I have to trust those here that have detailed the many positives for THEM of reaching a certain tier. What I don't get is why you can't understand that? It may not be worth it for me, or you, but it is CERTAINLY worth it for a large number of players. And you are of course correct that there are many players who lose more money aiming for a tier than it is worth. I'll bet that the members of this board more likely fall into the "it was worth it" group.
Quote: SOOPOOI don't go to a casino often so Diamond lounge is of little value to me. And frankly, I haven't put the time and effort into learning what plays would make it worthwhile for ME. But your logic is, well, illogical! Because a buffet costs the casino little does NOT mean it is of little value to the person getting it for free! When I'm at the buffet I couldn't give a rat's ass what it costs the casino; that is irrelevant to me. What is relevant is how much I would have had to pay for the buffet if I didn't get it for free. I have to tell you, I have to trust those here that have detailed the many positives for THEM of reaching a certain tier. What I don't get is why you can't understand that? It may not be worth it for me, or you, but it is CERTAINLY worth it for a large number of players. And you are of course correct that there are many players who lose more money aiming for a tier than it is worth. I'll bet that the members of this board more likely fall into the "it was worth it" group.
How many days does it take to get a free buffet?
Well that's interesting, there are Advantage Players out there that are much more organized and advanced then you are doing similar stuff in the same Market, and they are very concerned. That begs the question, why are you not concerned?Quote: darkoz
Let me just say I am certainly not too concerned about my situation with Freeplay
Is it one of those things where you are not concerned because anything beats living on the streets? Or do you just have confidence that things will get back to normal as far as that goes?
Quote: VenthusSo since stuff seems to be trickling open again... has anybody gotten any interesting incentives to get them back in the door yet?
My favorite one so far was an invitation-only, remember to bring your coupon...! parking pass.
My CET calendar for Vegas is ridiculous for June. 5 "free" nights at lower properties including weekends. $40/nt resort fee of course. Haha
Quote: AxelWolfWell that's interesting, there are Advantage Players out there that are much more organized and advanced then you are doing similar stuff in the same Market, and they are very concerned. That begs the question, why are you not concerned?
Is it one of those things where you are not concerned because anything beats living on the streets? Or do you just have confidence that things will get back to normal as far as that goes?
I will start another thread on it at some point
This is not the place.
So, I had to check, not that I see a Vegas trip in my near future. I'm comped at every place except Nobu, even on the weekends! And I haven't given CET any action in about a year, and it's been 3 years since I've been to a Vegas CET property. I've not seen comps at Caesars or Cromwell on the weekends before.Quote: tringlomaneMy CET calendar for Vegas is ridiculous for June. 5 "free" nights at lower properties including weekends. $40/nt resort fee of course. Haha
BTW, checking without entering my rewards #, I saw $35/nt at some CET properties. So, now I have seen it -- Resort Fees higher than the standard available hotel rate! :P
https://www.gocomics.com/frank-and-ernest/2020/05/22
Quote: JoemanBTW, checking without entering my rewards #, I saw $35/nt at some CET properties. So, now I have seen it -- Resort Fees higher than the standard available hotel rate! :P
CIrcus Circus has had that for years. Last I checked, it was something like 22/nt weekdays and 25/nt resort fees... and I'm pretty sure the resort fees have gone up.
Quote: YoyomamaTurning Stone Casino near Syracuse, NY will open June 1st with most of the same safe guards. It's Indian owned and they are only allowing people that live within a 125 mile radius to enter the casino. Must have proof of residence. Turning Stone is 250 miles from New York City. Two other Indian owned casinos in Connecticut, Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods, will also open June 1. NY run casinos haven't said much on reopening. Thanks for the video.
Mohegan is apparently opening only for residents of CT and RI. So hopefully Foxwoods will take NYC visitors.
Quote: rdw4potusMohegan is apparently opening only for residents of CT and RI. So hopefully Foxwoods will take NYC visitors.
According to press releases, neither are accepting out of state residents.
That includes no marketing so offers for them deactivated.
No buses from NYC or Massachusetts allowed
NY State news:
Governor Cuomo signed new shutdown orders last night. Extended now through June 20.
Racetracks are allowed to reopen but for spectator-less races only.
Churches are allowed to reopen but maximum of ten people in congregations
Bars, clubs , Broadway, movie theaters bowling alley and casinos all closed thru June 20 minimum
Quote: darkoz
Bars, clubs , Broadway, movie theaters bowling alley and casinos all closed thru June 20 minimum
I believe there is a single casino in Union Springs NY that is ignoring Cuomo (sovereign land?) and is open already.
Additionally, both Foxwoods Resort Casino and Mohegan Sun will be catering to Connecticut and Rhode Island residents only. No out-of-state marketing to New York or Massachusetts will take place at either property and no out-of-state buses will be accepted.
"Catering", "not marketing" and "no buses" are not the same as "RI and CT residents only," although they might be happy if it's read that way. Should be a total madhouse at the door with the temperature checks. No mention of capacity limits ("25%", "50%"...).
They are their own governing authority. Seems that the two tribes got together and came up with agreeable common practices. I wonder if this new level of cooperation between historically competitive venues will last.
Quote: darkoz...Churches are allowed to reopen but maximum of ten people in congregations...
The ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
Quote: CalderThe ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
Some people like to say the Constitution isn't fluid and we must examine what the Founding Fathers intended.
My copy of the Constitution says that Congress shall pass no law restricting religion. Has Congress done so?
I do agree that it is strange that so many self proclaimed religious people seem more upset about not being able to go to a bar than go to church.
Are you suggesting that the government doesn't have the power to restrict movement and people in an emergency? A government that can conscript one segment in a national emergency would also be able to restrict others.
Quote: CalderThe ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
Living in NYC I am on line at the supermarket twice a week.
The conversations I hear from those around me on line are not about their freedoms being trampled.
Most of the Coronavirus conversations I hear are about who they know that has the virus, who died in their family, who they have been exposed to at that nursing home they work at.
I keep in touch with most of my AP crew and very few do not have some six degrees of separation from someone who has had the virus. Many have direct relationship to victims
Oh yeah, a lot of people survive blah blah. Those conversations here usually go like this.
"My Aunt had it and thankfully survived but she is still in recovery. Three weeks on a ventilator. She still can barely walk. Some days better than others. Still has some trouble breathing."
So here you are somewhere other than NYC talking about freedoms and here we are talking about survival.
Quote: billryanQuote: CalderThe ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
...My copy of the Constitution says that Congress shall pass no law restricting religion. Has Congress done so?
I do agree that it is strange that so many self proclaimed religious people seem more upset about not being able to go to a bar than go to church.
Are you suggesting that the government doesn't have the power to restrict movement and people in an emergency? A government that can conscript one segment in a national emergency would also be able to restrict others.
Your copy of the Constitution is flawed. Get another, and recheck the wording in the 1st Amendment.
Congress has not restricted the free exercise of religion (oops, I saved you some time, there) -- that's kinda the point, Bill. But somehow that hasn't stopped the governor of New York from ignoring the Bill of Rights.
I don't know which self-proclaimed religious people you've polled on this question -- I'm hardly one of them. I think you kinda made up that poll, Bill.
The government restricting movement in an emergency? That may be a new thread, but for the sake of brevity, I'll come down on the "no" side. This didn't seem to occur to you while you were typing, but I hope you deplore the internment camps during WWII. But let's not allow a 200+ year old document to get in the way of an emergency. And the government may not conscript lacking an act of Congress, and legislative action is what is sorely missing nowadays.
Many state governors nowadays are doing two things: 1) Deciding what constitutes an emergency, and 2) Deciding what needs to be done because of #1.
Don't get too comfortable with that. They may start defining emergencies down.
Quote: CalderQuote: billryanQuote: CalderThe ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
...My copy of the Constitution says that Congress shall pass no law restricting religion. Has Congress done so?
I do agree that it is strange that so many self proclaimed religious people seem more upset about not being able to go to a bar than go to church.
Are you suggesting that the government doesn't have the power to restrict movement and people in an emergency? A government that can conscript one segment in a national emergency would also be able to restrict others.
Your copy of the Constitution is flawed. Get another, and recheck the wording in the 1st Amendment.
Congress has not restricted the free exercise of religion (oops, I saved you some time, there) -- that's kinda the point, Bill. But somehow that hasn't stopped the governor of New York from ignoring the Bill of Rights.
I don't know which self-proclaimed religious people you've polled on this question -- I'm hardly one of them. I think you kinda made up that poll, Bill.
The government restricting movement in an emergency? That may be a new thread, but for the sake of brevity, I'll come down on the "no" side. This didn't seem to occur to you while you were typing, but I hope you deplore the internment camps during WWII. But let's not allow a 200+ year old document to get in the way of an emergency. And the government may not conscript lacking an act of Congress, and legislative action is what is sorely missing nowadays.
Many state governors nowadays are doing two things: 1) Deciding what constitutes an emergency, and 2) Deciding what needs to be done because of #1.
Don't get too comfortable with that. They may start defining emergencies down.
What???
I hope your apartment is not like a Japanese internment camp?
If the lockdowns were restricted to Chinese then I suppose you could compare this to Japanese internment camps. Otherwise I don't see what you are getting at.
Through the Vietnam war plenty of Americans had their constitutional rights to freedom violated. It was called the draft.
I think the government said it was an emergency.
I can’t tell if you are ignoring the 14th amendment or aren’t aware of it.Quote: billryanQuote: CalderThe ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
Some people like to say the Constitution isn't fluid and we must examine what the Founding Fathers intended.
My copy of the Constitution says that Congress shall pass no law restricting religion. Has Congress done so?
I do agree that it is strange that so many self proclaimed religious people seem more upset about not being able to go to a bar than go to church.
Are you suggesting that the government doesn't have the power to restrict movement and people in an emergency? A government that can conscript one segment in a national emergency would also be able to restrict others.
Aiming for a June 4th opening of the gaming industry.
Quote: unJonI can’t tell if you are ignoring the 14th amendment or aren’t aware of it.Quote: billryanQuote: CalderThe ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
Some people like to say the Constitution isn't fluid and we must examine what the Founding Fathers intended.
My copy of the Constitution says that Congress shall pass no law restricting religion. Has Congress done so?
I do agree that it is strange that so many self proclaimed religious people seem more upset about not being able to go to a bar than go to church.
Are you suggesting that the government doesn't have the power to restrict movement and people in an emergency? A government that can conscript one segment in a national emergency would also be able to restrict others.
So are you arguing it's a 1st amendment issue or is it a 14th Amendment issue?
I don't think it is either. It's the government's job, no,it's their duty ,to protect the general welfare. If you don't like it, vote in a new government. Don't show up with long guns trying to bully those who disagree with you.
Quote: RogerKint
Wait so freedom of religion is inviolable?
So homegrown American Islamic extremists who do terroristic attacks in the name of Allah are fully protected in their freedom to express their religion by the constitution?
Even if people die?
Or wait for it... The government has the right to put down religious freedom if the safety and lives of others are threatened?
Like in a pandemic as well!
Quote: SOOPOOI believe there is a single casino in Union Springs NY that is ignoring Cuomo (sovereign land?) and is open already.
Yes, it is a Reservation slots only gambling facility called Lakeside Entertainment. From what I saw on YouTube, it is the size of a barn with a low ceiling and about 90 slot machines crammed together.
It looks like a low-rent operation that is populated by seniors and the owners probably don't have to answer to NY state regulations due to Reservation laws. From what I've read, there are no player cards, no beverage service, and no comp system or restaraunts. So people will have to bring candy bars in their bag and give up their free play to homeless people instead of accept the truth that this place is a dud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y9Edt-vKKg&t=257s
Quote: ChumpChangeI get the feeling casinos will have to shutdown again 1 to 3 weeks after they reopen, even when they do take your temperature.
It's possible on the East Coast, a Pit Supervisor from Wind Creek Bethlehem died of Covid recently and there were a good number of employees who tested positive. Given their high demographic of Senior citizens and bus tours from China town, my bet would be on them having the first such incident.
Quote: BedWetterBetterYes, it is a Reservation slots only gambling facility called Lakeside Entertainment. From what I saw on YouTube, it is the size of a barn with a low ceiling and about 90 slot machines crammed together.
It looks like a low-rent operation that is populated by seniors and the owners probably don't have to answer to NY state regulations due to Reservation laws. From what I've read, there are no player cards, no beverage service, and no comp system or restaraunts. So people will have to bring candy bars in their bag and give up their free play to homeless people instead of accept the truth that this place is a dud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y9Edt-vKKg&t=257s
It does sound like a dud
No players cards but they have Freeplay? From bus service?
And why give it to homeless people. I'm confused
What's weird is watching old reel slots really pause that last reel from stopping because of the Bingo card results coming in and making the slot rig the spin.
Quote: BedWetterBetterIt's possible on the East Coast, a Pit Supervisor from Wind Creek Bethlehem died of Covid recently and there were a good number of employees who tested positive. Given their high demographic of Senior citizens and bus tours from China town, my bet would be on them having the first such incident.
Do you know the supervisors name that passed away ?
Edit: I just saw the story. Wow 31 years old.
Quote: darkozIt does sound like a dud
No players cards but they have Freeplay? From bus service?
And why give it to homeless people. I'm confused
I thought you weren't concerned about "worthless" things?
Anyway, let's not that beat that dead horse of contradictions again. Interestingly enough, Lakeside Entertainment is the ONLY gambling facility currently open on the North East side of America. I wonder if there is a line to get in? Then again, a place like that seems shady enough.
Quote: michael99000Do you know the supervisors name that passed away ?
Edit: I just saw the story. Wow 31 years old.
Yes, I actually knew him when he was a dealer. As you saw, the article is easy enough to find with google.
Nice guy and a real shame that his work environment was most likely responsible for his demise. It will seriously beg the question of what kind of clients will be allowed back into Wind Creek and what measures will be taken to prevent further fatalities.
I personally have zero plans to go to Wind Creek and haven't been there in over a year anyway, so no big loss. But like I said, I would bet their facility would have the first incident of an additional shut down incident.
Quote: darkoz
Or wait for it... The government has the right to put down religious freedom if the safety and lives of others are threatened?
Like in a pandemic as well!
I certainly would like to hear a debate by a dozen constitutional scholars, as it's not just the pandemic where federal power or state power is contested.
For instance, it's common in many natural disasters to prevent people from returning to an area of home or business.
Quote: unJonI can’t tell if you are ignoring the 14th amendmentQuote: billryanQuote: CalderThe ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
Some people like to say the Constitution isn't fluid and we must examine what the Founding Fathers intended.
My copy of the Constitution says that Congress shall pass no law restricting religion. Has Congress done so?
I do agree that it is strange that so many self proclaimed religious people seem more upset about not being able to go to a bar than go to church.
Are you suggesting that the government doesn't have the power to restrict movement and people in an emergency? A government that can conscript one segment in a national emergency would also be able to restrict others.
Allowing citizens to partake in activities that facilitate the spread of a highly contagious virus... hinders my right to life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness
Quote: michael99000
Allowing citizens to partake in activities that facilitate the spread of a highly contagious virus... hinders my right to life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness
If there was an unqualified right to keep your business open, it makes me wonder why you usually can't keep a strip club next to an elementary school. And similar ideas.
Quote: billryanQuote: unJonI can’t tell if you are ignoring the 14th amendment or aren’t aware of it.Quote: billryanQuote: CalderThe ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
Some people like to say the Constitution isn't fluid and we must examine what the Founding Fathers intended.
My copy of the Constitution says that Congress shall pass no law restricting religion. Has Congress done so?
I do agree that it is strange that so many self proclaimed religious people seem more upset about not being able to go to a bar than go to church.
Are you suggesting that the government doesn't have the power to restrict movement and people in an emergency? A government that can conscript one segment in a national emergency would also be able to restrict others.
So are you arguing it's a 1st amendment issue or is it a 14th Amendment issue?
I don't think it is either. It's the government's job, no,it's their duty ,to protect the general welfare. If you don't like it, vote in a new government. Don't show up with long guns trying to bully those who disagree with you.
No. I’m pointing out that you saying that the first amendment refers to “Congress” is misleading in ignoring the effect of the 14th amendment. Thought that would be clear.
Your attack on me is insulting and unwarranted. I didn’t say I didn’t like it. I didn’t show up with a gun or bully anyone. Why so political all the time? Get your politics out of here. Seriously. Get a grip.
Quote: unJonQuote: billryanQuote: unJonI can’t tell if you are ignoring the 14th amendment or aren’t aware of it.Quote: billryanQuote: CalderThe ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
Some people like to say the Constitution isn't fluid and we must examine what the Founding Fathers intended.
My copy of the Constitution says that Congress shall pass no law restricting religion. Has Congress done so?
I do agree that it is strange that so many self proclaimed religious people seem more upset about not being able to go to a bar than go to church.
Are you suggesting that the government doesn't have the power to restrict movement and people in an emergency? A government that can conscript one segment in a national emergency would also be able to restrict others.
So are you arguing it's a 1st amendment issue or is it a 14th Amendment issue?
I don't think it is either. It's the government's job, no,it's their duty ,to protect the general welfare. If you don't like it, vote in a new government. Don't show up with long guns trying to bully those who disagree with you.
No. I’m pointing out that you saying that the first amendment refers to “Congress” is misleading in ignoring the effect of the 14th amendment. Thought that would be clear.
Your attack on me is insulting and unwarranted. I didn’t say I didn’t like it. I didn’t show up with a gun or bully anyone. Why so political all the time? Get your politics out of here. Seriously. Get a grip.
I'd ask you what attack, but then I realized I don't really care. I never associated you with the people who bring semi-automatic weapons to demonstrations, but whatever floats your boat.
