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FleaStiff
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April 5th, 2020 at 4:37:25 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Folk medicine, Is it starve a fever, feed a cold.

That is an admonition! If you starve a fever, you will be feeding a cold.
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April 5th, 2020 at 4:45:42 AM permalink
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According to this study, Asian males are more susceptible the virus than any other group.



Thus article only has a sample of ONE Asian man's lung tissue. There is a good chance they picked an "unlucky" person that would be more susceptible to this from the Asian group. The data among ethnicity in that study has to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
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April 5th, 2020 at 6:05:57 AM permalink
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Thus article only has a sample of ONE Asian man's lung tissue. ...The data among ethnicity in that study has to be taken with a huge grain of salt.



Which is why the mortality rates per million population are the better indicator. So far, the mortality rates per million population in those Asian nations are significantly lower than anywhere else.

286 million population and currently 298 deaths.

Combined Italy, Spain, France, UK population 240 million and currently 39,653 deaths.
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April 8th, 2020 at 9:19:12 PM permalink
Been reading some crappy things about long term ventilation
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-icu-coronavirus-patients-ordeal-is-far-from-over/ar-BB12kACI?ocid=spartandhp

Hey SOOPOO. How bad would you have to get before you'd resort to possibly going on a ventilator for up to a couple weeks?
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April 8th, 2020 at 9:31:21 PM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Which is why the mortality rates per million population are the better indicator. So far, the mortality rates per million population in those Asian nations are significantly lower than anywhere else.

286 million population and currently 298 deaths.

Combined Italy, Spain, France, UK population 240 million and currently 39,653 deaths.



Different nations report the deaths in different ways. In some countries if you die from heart failure with the Chinese virus then you died from heart failure, not the virus. In the US if you die from heart disease and you had the virus when you passed, then you died from covid-19. That's kind of a poor example, but it's probably not too far off.

Also some nations don't record it as a virus death unless you've been tested for it. I think...in the US... they use a little more logic and if it appears to be the virus then they record your death has having been the result of the virus even if you weren't tested for it.
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April 8th, 2020 at 9:51:48 PM permalink
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I've just gone through the list of essential activities in the Tennessee governor's Executive Order for the coronavirus Shutdown.

Essential activities include:
Any business or organization that involves 10 or fewer people within its premises
All construction activities and craft trades
All financial services, real estate services and insurance services. Payday loans and pawnbrokers are specifically named as being essential.
Any service related to producing or distributing media, including bookstores, television show production, etc. (probably includes adult bookstores)
Any retail outlet that sells supplies to work from home, which would include computer and electronics and office supplies
Any outlet that sells food, alcoholic beverages, video games, firearms
Any religious services
Any hardware store
Hotels and motels
Accounting services
Transportation services, including marinas and docks (we have a lot of lakes in Tennessee)
Laundry services including dry cleaners

That is not the exhaustive list (which includes all health care services, food and medicine supply and most government services, etc.).

This is why the virus is continuing to spread. So much is allowed to be open.

What is mandated to be closed under this Tennessee order? By elimination:
Schools ( that are not providing food or other essential services)
Museums, entertainment (movie theaters, laser tag, theme parks, music venues), tourist attractions
On-premises consumption in restaurants
Stores that sell garments/clothing
Furniture and home decoration stores

That's all I can think of. I've probably missed a few items



Essential : porn, video games

Nonessential : clothing, furniture

Funny

Bed bath & beyond is closed here.
Last edited by: jjjoooggg on Apr 9, 2020
Besides study abroad. Born and lived in Tx my whole life.
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April 9th, 2020 at 4:35:55 AM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Different nations report the deaths in different ways.



Do you believe that accounts for the 39,653 to 298 disparity?

Their experience with the SARS epidemic and the Swine flu prepared the Asian nations to respond to the Corona virus faster and better than the rest of the world.

Singapore Was Ready

That is the main reason why their mortality rates are so low.
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April 9th, 2020 at 9:07:38 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Been reading some crappy things about long term ventilation
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-icu-coronavirus-patients-ordeal-is-far-from-over/ar-BB12kACI?ocid=spartandhp

Hey SOOPOO. How bad would you have to get before you'd resort to possibly going on a ventilator for up to a couple weeks?



This is a question I've been involved with my entire career. The problem is that no one can predict with any degree of certainty the course of your disease progression. At the time we decide to intubate someone, it is because, in general, we believe they will die imminently if not intubated. That the patients ability to take in oxygen (oxygenate) or get rid of CO2 (ventilate) is inadequate to sustain life.

Some of the doctors who are saying the cure (ventilator) may be worse than the disease are being way too simplistic.
The analogy I use is that some believe blood is dangerous. It is. 90% of patients who receive 10 or more units after being shot, die. Buttttt.... ALL of those would be dead if they didn't receive any blood. Blaming the blood is like blaming the ventilator.

There are some alternatives to intubation and a mechanical ventilator that can be used in certain circumstances (high flow nasal O2, BiPAP) The intensivists will use those if possible, I assure you. But when they are not enough, there are two choices.... death, or intubate.

When we intubate someone with a reversible condition, at least theoretically, like bacterial pneumonia, or collapsed lung, or now COVID ARDS, we hope that the condition improves so that the patient can breathe on their own. You asked about 'two weeks'. In this disease, it is possible you get better relatively quickly, and in a few days are extubated and on your way to a full recovery. And of course there are those that deteriorate quickly and die. And some others that don't get better but are still able to be kept alive but not bad enough to die.

The simple answer to your question is a combination of O2 level, CO2 level, trend of those, work of the patient to breathe, other pre-existing health issues.... There is no exact formula, but it sometimes can be subtle, but usually it is obvious to all.
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April 14th, 2020 at 12:09:37 AM permalink
You know what's funny, or not so funny, that just occurred to me.

We really don't need to wait for a vaccine, or even for extensive testing.

IF WE ALL JUST HAD ENOUGH N95 MASKS WE COULD KNOCK THIS THING PRACTICIALLY OUT IN 3 WEEKS.

A little training, or repetitive training, by public service announcements daily, on avoiding on making sure you don't contaminate yourself, and 90% of this would be gone. I'd bet all my money on it.

I say 90%, because I suspect some couldn't get things right, or perhaps have to work with an invalid family member.

I'm not even kidding.
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