Corona virus and affect on APs
Quote: LovecompsI just came back from Vegas last night. The whole thing is a bunch of BS that the media is blowing up to scare people and make news. Can you think of anything that is dirtier and handled more than cards, dice, chips, and currency? Every casino and all of Freemont Street was busy. Nothing is going to change.
Respiratory diseases are not transferred by inanimate objects. That's why it's said to be spread human to human not dice and blackjack cards to human.
Like the common cold, you catch it from breathing in another person's exhaled cough or virus laden breath
I have one friend who refuses to sit on toilet seats for fear of this virus. Unless he breathes through his ass I told him he has nothing to worry about. It's not spread by toilet seats
Quote: darkozI have one friend who refuses to sit on toilet seats for fear of this virus. Unless he breathes through his ass I told him he has nothing to worry about. It's not spread by toilet seats
I am curious to know the pros and cons of toilet seat cover usage on an otherwise fairly well-cleaned public toilet. I speculate there is little benefit, other than a false sense of protection.
Quote: darkozRespiratory diseases are not transferred by inanimate objects. That's why it's said to be spread human to human not dice and blackjack cards to human.
Like the common cold, you catch it from breathing in another person's exhaled cough or virus laden breath
I have one friend who refuses to sit on toilet seats for fear of this virus. Unless he breathes through his ass I told him he has nothing to worry about. It's not spread by toilet seats
So if an infected person sneezes or coughs into their hand, then touches Dice or chips or cards, and then I touch those things, and then I rub my eye.. could I get infected?
Not disagreeing with your post, just asking because I don’t know. I’d be surprised if the virus dies when it touches an inanimate object.
Quote: michael99000So if an infected person sneezes or coughs into their hand, then touches Dice or chips or cards, and then I touch those things, and then I rub my eye.. could I get infected?
Not disagreeing with your post, just asking because I don’t know. I’d be surprised if the virus dies when it touches an inanimate object.
It won't die immediately on an untreated surface, but most are saying airborne transmission is much more likely to happen.
Quote: michael99000So if an infected person sneezes or coughs into their hand, then touches Dice or chips or cards, and then I touch those things, and then I rub my eye.. could I get infected?
Not disagreeing with your post, just asking because I don’t know. I’d be surprised if the virus dies when it touches an inanimate object.
A virus never dies because it is not a living organism
That's why antibiotics don't work
They "live" by replication within the cells of other living organisms. Kind of like a "lock and key" type of situation. They lock into your cells and as your cells replicate, the virus replicates
To catch it you actually have to ingest the cells of other people (inhaling their breath or in the case of AIDS by having bodily fluids of another enter your bodily fluids)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_viruses
To michael99000's question, yes, if you touch dice, chips, or cards, or doorknobs or bins at airport security and then touch your eye or mouth, you can get the virus.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI think this hand washing thing is complete BS. Second of all, you can't wash your hands in a casino, they say there is soap and hand sanitizers, the hand sanitizers are not many, and when I tried washing my hands with soap, there was none in any of the dispensers. The hand washing will not help, that's what I suspect, and the hand sanitizer will not help either unless you rub it on your hands a few minutes. The rumors about the elderly only dying, I don't believe, and the rumors about the young being not being affected, I don't believe are true. I'm wondering about going to casinos, is it worth it as an AP, and what affect it will have on slot hustlers if all the wealthy and ignorant stay home. What will it be like at a casino after a lot of people die, will casinos even be open, will they be forced to close? If you have casinos closed, why keep a McDonald's open. There's going to be a lot of germs on that money no matter what.
I'm staying home. At least for awhile, see how this thing pans out. I last went in today, picked up some free play, lathered up the bartop keys with some Purell, played a few hands, and got the f outta there. Went home, left the shoes on the porch, took the rest of my clothes off, took a shower, and sat in my recliner and watched the DOW plunge. I think I'll work in the back yard tomorrow, it needs it.
Of course the incubation period can be more than a few days. So, if I starting getting a bad sore throat, or dry cough, I didn't luck out.
I don't think that scientists look at it that way, but in any case to "never die" is misleading in the context of "how long do they survive on surfaces"Quote: darkozA virus never dies because it is not a living organism
I don't believe your statement is correct and I don't see confirmation of it in the wikipedia article. Can you point out where it says that?Quote:... To catch it you actually have to ingest the cells of other people (inhaling their breath or in the case of AIDS by having bodily fluids of another enter your bodily fluids)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_viruses
An infected cell sends out new viruses and they go on to attach and enter other cells in the body, the infected cell no longer being directly involved, so this would seem to mean you do not have to ingest another person's infected cell, only the virus itself.
Quote: odiousgambitI don't think that scientists look at it that way, but in any case to "never die" is misleading in the context of "how long do they survive on surfaces"
I don't believe your statement is correct and I don't see confirmation of it in the wikipedia article. Can you point out where it says that?
An infected cell sends out new viruses and they go on to attach and enter other cells in the body, the infected cell no longer being directly involved, so this would seem to mean you do not have to ingest another person's infected cell, only the virus itself.
That is referring to how it spreads within the body. Not outside the body
The Coronavirus has an incubation period of about 14 days which is why it's spreading so easily. People are spreading it without knowing by coming into contact with others.
The AIDS virus has an incubation period of YEARS. If it could be spread outside the body the entire globe would have had it before the first person knew they were even sick
I don't know if you are old enough but back when AIDS was new and people were not certain how to catch it there were stories of entire swimming pools being emptied and sanitized.
"You have seven holes in your head. Keep your fingers out of them."
Quote: TankoGood advice from a doctor years ago:
"You have seven holes in your head. Keep your fingers out of them."
It's not just fingers :)
who says?Quote: darkozThat is referring to how it spreads within the body. Not outside the body
I feel obligated to say I think some of this is fairly inaccurate. I can see where this is going, though, and won't post anymore objections, you may have the last word.Quote:The Coronavirus has an incubation period of about 14 days which is why it's spreading so easily. People are spreading it without knowing by coming into contact with others.
The AIDS virus has an incubation period of YEARS. If it could be spread outside the body the entire globe would have had it before the first person knew they were even sick
I am old enough to have caught polio ... I knew someone my age who did ... and have a scar for my smallpox vaccination I can show you, so I guess that means I was at some [surely small] risk for that too. But I think people can get themselves educated without being old, but do need to avoid the barstool scholars for their sources of information.Quote:I don't know if you are old enough but back when AIDS was new and people were not certain how to catch it there were stories of entire swimming pools being emptied and sanitized.
Quote: AxelWolfAssuming my electricity, water and internet work normal, If I was forced to have to stay home for a few months, I would be happy as a clam.
Same here. I would not mind one bit if my boss shut the doors for a month or two. I'm fairly frugal so that would barely make a dent in my emergency fund.
Quote: TankoGood advice from a doctor years ago:
"You have seven holes in your head. Keep your fingers out of them."
I read this to my wife and her immediate response was "Must have been a pediatrician"
Quote: bobbartopI'm staying home. At least for awhile, see how this thing pans out. I last went in today, picked up some free play, lathered up the bartop keys with some Purell, played a few hands, and got the f outta there. Went home, left the shoes on the porch, took the rest of my clothes off, took a shower, and sat in my recliner and watched the DOW plunge. I think I'll work in the back yard tomorrow, it needs it.
And, by golly, you are staying home again tomorrow except when you are at the casino.
Quote: standbymymanAnd, by golly, you are staying home again tomorrow except when you are at the casino.
funny :-)
Quote: onenickelmiracleI don't believe you can hide from this thing and I'm not going to try. Maybe if you sat in the bunker for 3 years or 8 months till there's a vaccine but just hope that you survived and your loved ones too but many will not.
Apparently, now that it exists, it will always be with us. I have a vague understanding, but that's what I took away from the news last night.
I still don't take flu shots. I'm afraid of them. Go ahead, call me 'idiot'.
Quote: onenickelmiracleIt'd be awesome if that now all the smokers live. That's pretty much that's what I'm hoping for. Rebels only left on the planet.
My goodness, if there was ever a time and motive to quit smoking, now is that time. :-)
Quote: onenickelmiracleIt'd be awesome if that now all the smokers live. That's pretty much that's what I'm hoping for. Rebels only left on the planet.
If the cigarette kills the virus imagine what it's doing to your lungs
Go quickly with virus
Go slowly with cancer
Hmmmm!
Quote: LovecompsI just came back from Vegas last night. ... Every casino and all of Freemont Street was busy. Nothing is going to change.
Unfortunately, my gut tells me you may be correct.
My head throws this at me: The casinos in Macao changed overnight.
If the so-called experts really think there is a big problem on its way, we should expect to see some action -- timely action -- from them. For example, is NV government concerned about ill gamblers over-filling available hospital resources? Are we seeing any state/local government concern yet?
I just received a sample of one: The Leon County (Tallahassee-area) county commissioner for my district just sent me this (my emphasis):
Quote: Commissioner DozierWhile there are no cases of Coronavirus in Leon County now is the best time for residents and businesses to prepare. This morning the County activated the Emergency Operations Center (EOC) at the request of the Florida Department of Health in Leon County and will serve as a central location for coordination of FDOH’s healthcare teams and information specialists.
To me, this message suggests my local government may be preparing for "something." No cases here yet, but cases in Florida continue to increase. Start the EOC. Test everything and get ready. Residents and businesses must prepare (possible staff shortages, decreased sales, etc.) Get ready, but don't hoard. (A local dental office had to cancel appointments because it could not obtain masks for the staff.) And, they remind us, don't panic.
If America has a serious CovID-19 virus event, casinos will spread the virus if they stay open. Current advice is to avoid any large group events, air travel, and cruises. Even though we only need to do this for a short time (if we do it right), like you, I wonder: Will citizens prepare (Just in case), or will they just say, Nothing is going to change.
I would never call you an idiot. I learned to call people foolish. You I would never call foolish.Quote: bobbartopApparently, now that it exists, it will always be with us. I have a vague understanding, but that's what I took away from the news last night.
I still don't take flu shots. I'm afraid of them. Go ahead, call me 'idiot'.
I used to not get flu shots, either. Then one year, I caught the flu and was sick for 2 months straight! I get them now.Quote: bobbartopApparently, now that it exists, it will always be with us. I have a vague understanding, but that's what I took away from the news last night.
I still don't take flu shots. I'm afraid of them. Go ahead, call me 'idiot'.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI don't believe you can hide from this thing and I'm not going to try. Maybe if you sat in the bunker for 3 years or 8 months till there's a vaccine but just hope that you survived and your loved ones too but many will not.
To me, at this point, everyone concerned should focus on slowing the spread if not stopping it because you want to spread out when people get treated so as not to overwhelm the system. You can care for a million extra people, but it's more of a nightmare if we are trying to do that in a very short period of time.
Quote: rxwineTo me, at this point, everyone concerned should focus on slowing the spread if not stopping it because you want to spread out when people get treated so as not to overwhelm the system. You can care for a million extra people, but it's more of a nightmare if we are trying to do that in a very short period of time.
Agreed. Death rates will be 20%. I'm scared now after getting to a casino. The problem is everyone needs to be self quarantined over 14 days.
Quote: onenickelmiracleAgreed. Death rates will be 20%. I'm scared now after getting to a casino. The problem is everyone needs to be self quarantined over 14 days.
Survival of the fittest. I think our country needs a little thinning. 20% sounds about right to me. As sickly as I am, I will probably be one of those20% and I am okay with that.
Quote: DRichAs sickly as I am, I will probably be one of those20% and I am okay with that.
DRich, please don't talk like that.
I'm starting to get a cough the last few hours too. I'm self quarantined starting when I get home. Do not share food.
Brought them eight months ago because they are sold out so far in advance. 3rd week of March
Let's see if I get to go
Quote: PokerGrinderIt seems like everyone is either overreacting or under reacting. I’m trying to stay in a nice medium. I have cupboards and a freezer full of food but at the same time I’m still living my life normally. The only difference is I now notice that I touch my face an INSANE amount during the day lol.
I think that I read that the average person touches their face an average of 18 times per hour.
Quote: DRichI think that I read that the average person touches their face an average of 18 times per hour.
Slot players touch their face with every bonus when losing more than they want or if worried.
Literally a few seconds into this announcement she licks her index finger to turn the page of her statement
