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MDawg
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January 8th, 2020 at 8:09:32 AM permalink
At the one end of the spectrum we have posts such as described here:
Quote: Eggharbor

Some of these people have like 15 to 20000 post on here and almost always just goofball responses not talking about gambling? If you don't like the guy why respond?


and at the other, interesting actual content.

This thread also demonstrates what we all know, which is that the Wizard's say is the final one.

As far as Rig, his posts such as the one supporting higher inheritance taxes seem more socialist in nature? so why would he be opposed to this sort of "share the wealth" of information thread?

Or maybe Dark is just trying to give MDog a run for the money for the #1 thread?
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darkoz
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January 8th, 2020 at 8:20:02 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

At the one end of the spectrum we have posts such as described here:

and at the other, interesting actual content.

This thread also demonstrates what we all know, which is that the Wizard's say is the final one.

As far as Rig, his posts such as the one supporting higher inheritance taxes seem more socialist in nature? so why would he be opposed to this sort of "share the wealth" of information thread?

Or maybe Dark is just trying to give MDog a run for the money for the #1 thread?



Oh my lord, the most insightful post of the year
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DRich
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January 8th, 2020 at 9:04:21 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

No. But there should be. Messing with someone's bottom line Is a lot worse than a personal insult.



Isn't not disclosing it also messing with someones bottom line. Zcore is employed by a casino, if the casino is losing money that may effect his job.
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ChumpChange
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January 8th, 2020 at 9:14:21 AM permalink
I was driving by a VLT casino years ago and the radio DJ I was listening to started going into a story about dropping a case of bottled beer on someones foot and they all shattered. I kept driving.
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January 8th, 2020 at 9:20:34 AM permalink
Oz said he had a play and most people doubted him. He posts the play well after the fact and is castigated for it. Such is the State of the forum in 2020.
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January 8th, 2020 at 9:48:55 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Oz said he had a play and most people doubted him. He posts the play well after the fact and is castigated for it. Such is the State of the forum in 2020.


Yeah I'm shocked that people are up in arms about this. Sure you can be upset if you want, but plays are posted on this forum all the time. It's always at the discretion of the poster and it's never been disallowed. "Information wants to be free."
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Rigondeaux
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January 8th, 2020 at 10:19:06 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Isn't not disclosing it also messing with someones bottom line. Zcore is employed by a casino, if the casino is losing money that may effect his job.



It's a matter of ethics. If zcore posted in meticulous detail about methods to beat his own casino, knowing or believing it would have no impact on him individually , but that it would cost other workers their jobs, that would be reprehensible.
SOOPOO
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January 8th, 2020 at 10:23:45 AM permalink
Thanks for your thoughtful reply, darkoz. Wasn't my bus comment really subtle? As a teenager, I took the bus to AC a few times from Queens. I hated the fact that back then I had an exact time I needed to be at the bus for the return trip, so we started driving instead.

Of course people know about all the things you mentioned individually, with the possible exception of giving winners extra free play. If I'm a casino exec I fix that pronto! I think Axel's point about cluing the dark side in on a specific play such as yours gets them thinking about other things that are similar.

I think in this situation you could have emailed a specific member, not an AP, one trusted by the forum, to reveal the play. (ME). I could have vouched for the value and validity against the naysayers. Axel has shown me a few plays that I would never reveal without his permission, but they were enough for me to argue against those that say "no one can beat the casinos" or other such stuff.

So I'm being serious..... If you have a play that for some reason you want to reveal, run it by me first, just to get a second opinion from someone with no skin in the game.
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January 8th, 2020 at 10:27:23 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

It's a matter of ethics. If zcore posted in meticulous detail about methods to beat his own casino, knowing or believing it would have no impact on him individually , but that it would cost other workers their jobs, that would be reprehensible.



Rig, I'm recommending you not leave the forum. If you think by leaving that the information posted here just disappears, then you are just being an ostrich. Feel free to use your voice to express your displeasure with the type of posts darkoz has made, as you have done. But what do you gain by going bye-bye?
Rigondeaux
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January 8th, 2020 at 10:32:46 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I've been asked to chime in.

Above all, this forum respects freedom of speech (subject to forum rules). There is absolutely no rule darkoz broke with that post. I tend to think his intentions were good in posting it. The same as mine in writing about plays I don't even do, like Ocean Magic, Golden Egypt, and Harley Davidson. I know every time I write about a play, those who already knew it throw stones at me. However, sometimes I get quietly thanked by those who did learn about a play from me. All things considered, I try to do more good than harm. That is what I ask myself before writing about a play. There are plenty of plays I never wrote about because they were "too good to write about."

In the case of this New York card-pulling play, I don't know if it will do more good than harm. However, I absolutely support darkoz's right to write about it. It's unfortunate we've lost a good member as a result and hope he will return.



I'd say antagonist posts made just to get an ego rush are the definition of trolling.

Discussing +ev plays here and there is fine. Again, the exact boundaries are fuzzy. Most APs are actually startlingly generous with info if it's done the right way.

To use the magic analogy, it's fine to teach people tricks or leave breadcrumbs or even take someone under your wing.

If too much is said to openly, the opportunities will go away entirely.

If someone started going through every magic act and explaining point by point how each trick is done, it would be a betrayal of that community.

If you wish to aid a narcissist in his quest for attention by betraying his community with troll posts, that's up to you.

All I can do is implore any magicians to refuse to participate.

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